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OfflineMr. Mushroom
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ive got a question for the mods of this site....
    #11515556 - 11/23/09 11:06 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Has any law official of any kind ever asked for information on any member/members of this site?

Also, has anyone ever heard of somone getting busted for growing because they posted journals/pics on this site.

Ive got alot of jars growing, people giving me static, even though my yields are so low it would be a waste of time to bust me with more jars then i do mushrooms. Anyhow, put my mind at ease.


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Re: ive got a question for the mods of this site.... [Re: Mr. Mushroom]
    #11515647 - 11/23/09 11:20 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Mr. Mushroom said:
Has any law official of any kind ever asked for information on any member/members of this site?

Also, has anyone ever heard of somone getting busted for growing because they posted journals/pics on this site.

Ive got alot of jars growing, people giving me static, even though my yields are so low it would be a waste of time to bust me with more jars then i do mushrooms. Anyhow, put my mind at ease.




I'm not a moderator or admin, but I can answer a few of these.

1) More than likely, no.

2) No.

3) What do you mean by people giving you static? If you cultivate, you cannot tell anyone. Period. Do you have any idea how fast word spreads and how bad of a spot you put yourself in when others know you grow? I've seen, first hand, the following conversations play out:

"Man, I really need some weed."
"Oh, I get dank straight from the grower. I'll give him a call."

or

"I just got these bomb mushrooms while I was visiting my friend out of town. He started growing."

:facepalm:

It doesn't really matter much if you have a tub or a few BRF jars going - in some states, the amount you produce doesn't matter. The penalties for a few grams are the same as for a half a pound, unless you have over 10 lbs of fruits. You're still putting yourself in a spot to be cluster fucked by the pigs if you get nailed for manufacture of a Schedule I substance.

Go check the Shroomery News Service and read how law enforcement treats a mushroom bust. The average pig or judge doesn't know dick about mycology or mushrooms.

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Re: ive got a question for the mods of this site.... [Re: Brennus]
    #11515685 - 11/23/09 11:25 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

i have no need to sell the mushies i am trying to grow, besides, after i eat em what will be left haha, im not getting that much when i fruit but i do have a bunch of jars, no one i know other then the person i live with knows what i am doing, but i do like the fact that i can show some of my work and ask detailed questions about what im doing. just hate when people say im fucking up by posting pics of jars and spawn. i mean fuck ive got like a dozen mushrooms and people are trippin out on me, sorry just makes me irritated.


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Re: ive got a question for the mods of this site.... [Re: Mr. Mushroom]
    #11515714 - 11/23/09 11:29 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Mr. Mushroom said:
i have no need to sell the mushies i am trying to grow, besides, after i eat em what will be left haha, im not getting that much when i fruit but i do have a bunch of jars, no one i know other then the person i live with knows what i am doing, but i do like the fact that i can show some of my work and ask detailed questions about what im doing. just hate when people say im fucking up by posting pics of jars and spawn. i mean fuck ive got like a dozen mushrooms and people are trippin out on me, sorry just makes me irritated.




Not really sure what you're trying to say, but as long as you're safe about it, posting pictures will not get you in trouble. Make sure you don't leave anything personally identifiable in the picture.

My (least) favorite anecdote involves a pot grower with an entire basement operation running in full bloom. He took a picture and a bulletin board was clearly visible in the back of the room. A few minutes fiddling around with Photoshop, and his name along with his address was easily discerned from a bill tacked to his board.

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Re: ive got a question for the mods of this site.... [Re: Mr. Mushroom]
    #11515785 - 11/23/09 11:45 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Has any law official of any kind ever asked for information on any member/members of this site?




No.

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Also, has anyone ever heard of somone getting busted for growing because they posted journals/pics on this site.




No.

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Re: ive got a question for the mods of this site.... [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #11518771 - 11/24/09 01:17 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I believe that I am at least partially responsible for this thread. That being said, these are my concerns.

:tinfoil::tinfoil::tinfoil::tinfoil::tinfoil:

Please keep in mind this post will veer from slightly paranoid to dimensionally so. It's not paranoia if they're not out to get you, and they ARE out to get you.
:tinfoil::tinfoil::tinfoil::tinfoil::tinfoil:


The post that I believe you are referring to, was not a post of a few jars. I am not sure but strongly inclined to believe that you are not anonymous on the internet. No one is perfectly anonymous, but if steps are not taken you can be easily identifiable from local law enforcement on up.

I do believe that there have been growers that have been busted because of their time spent on this site. No, I've never heard of it happening either. If it did happen, would we know about it?

This is my basic hypothesis: This site is a great resource for both amateur mycologists as well as law enforcement to find such amateur mycologists. Just as in the physical realm, obscurity creates security. The back room of some no-name pub is a much better place to do your dealings than on the dance floor of Studio 52. This website is no longer some no-name backroom. Form posts are dug up by google, for fucks sake. Seriously, do a google search for 'fundamentalchair'. My shroomery gallery is link #2.

So, lets say that the cops got a room bugged and they know what goes on in there. If they can track you from their bugs, they can nab you. If they let anyone know where they got the initial information for the bust, the entire scene will fall apart. In order for them to keep their flow of information (and busts) they must continue to allow the room to operate under it's normal conditions. Under this pretense, it is within their best interest to only skim off the top, getting the big fish. The amount of resources necessary to preclude these measures also falls in line with this thought process.

If this has not yet happened, it is inevitable that such conclusions will be drawn by law enforcement. My statements weren't meant to bust your balls, but rather to keep you from appearing as a big fish.

The brilliance of the above strategy is that is cuts through all forms of obscuration of illegal activities. Even the drug-fourm's SWIM and pet's dreams aren't immune. No information presented online are ever needed as testimony nor needed for probable cause. Law enforcement has enough tools to put you away without ever using this information for anything but a resource gathering tool.

Much like the quote from 'training day', "It's not what you know, it's what you can prove." This site posts may not be 'proof', but it may be enough for them to 'know' and then search for 'proof'. I've seen this in action (not from this forum, but from other sources of information).

For example: a few years ago, I used to deliver pizza. Some weasly slangin kid used to hang around that joint, and drove a very similar looking car to mine. The cops knew he was slangin, but couldn't prove it (hence why he wasn't in cuffs). The fuzz decided that it was my car that they were looking for, and decided to tail me for about 5 miles. I knew it was a pinch from the second they got behind me, I saw them waiting and bust a turn right behind me. They finally decided to give up and pass me, as I was driving like a patron saint (not easy for a pizza delivery driver). Happens that I had an out headlight, and I got pulled over. I got a god damn hot pie in the car and he's trying to get in my car to find out if i'm the kid slangin dope.

Keep in mind this is over some kid that would move an once of herb a week. If they think you're putting out a peazy of fungi, I would expect no less than a regular trash search as well as some under cover surveillance. If they suspect you of dealing, they will likely bust your (supposed) custos, and try and get them to roll on you.

Who do you trust not to roll on you? Myself, not a god damn soul. That's why I've found a much better carrier in being a drug abuser than a dealer.

I assume most of you have gotten board about 3 sentences into this novel, so I'll drop a quote below with a synopsis of this post.

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You are no more safe talking on this site than on a street corner, however you are infinitely more traceable and can rouse quite a bit more suspicion.

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Re: ive got a question for the mods of this site.... [Re: fundamentalchair]
    #11519883 - 11/24/09 03:56 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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I do believe that there have been growers that have been busted because of their time spent on this site. No, I've never heard of it happening either. If it did happen, would we know about it?




I think we would hear about it. 

Its pretty rare that our members get busted, and when they do its due to getting pulled over or selling mushrooms or some other stupid shit that they did in real life.  No growers are like "Damn I have no idea how they got the evidence for the warrant..."

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Under this pretense, it is within their best interest to only skim off the top, getting the big fish.




The big fish do not post on shroomery.

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Re: ive got a question for the mods of this site.... [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #11520001 - 11/24/09 04:13 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Its pretty rare that our members get busted, and when they do its due to getting pulled over or selling mushrooms or some other stupid shit that they did in real life.  No growers are like "Damn I have no idea how they got the evidence for the warrant..."




That's exactly what I'm talking about! Someone who is running a dozen jars of grain to bulk (consecutively/continuously) is producing much much more than one person could feasibly eat.

Think of the shroomery as reconnaissance, where then all they have to do is a stake-out and wait for said person to leave with a 'package' and get a pull-over for 'bobbling the line' or some such other BS.

The evidence for the warrent never comes from the shroomery, but rather from other events which may or may not have gone unnoticed if it were not for the shroomery involvement.

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The big fish do not post on shroomery.




Depending on your deffinition of 'big fish', yes and no. Do the guys growing 100 lbs a week post? Probably not. I could probably name a half dozen members that put out over 5 lbs a month though. Plenty big enough to send some red and blue's along for a investigative stop for a possible cash nab if you ask me.

I've noticed a few posts of what could be in the ball-park of 20+ lbs/mo. Thats big fish as far as I'm concerned.


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Re: ive got a question for the mods of this site.... [Re: fundamentalchair]
    #11524165 - 11/25/09 04:32 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

> I could probably name a half dozen members that put out over 5 lbs a month though.

We have a world wide audience and it is not illegal to grow mushrooms everywhere in the world.  Regardless, if you wish to protect yourself, please use a proxy service (such as tor) to remain anonymous.


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Re: ive got a question for the mods of this site.... [Re: Seuss]
    #11525399 - 11/25/09 10:40 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Seuss said:
> I could probably name a half dozen members that put out over 5 lbs a month though.

We have a world wide audience and it is not illegal to grow mushrooms everywhere in the world.  Regardless, if you wish to protect yourself, please use a proxy service (such as tor) to remain anonymous.




It is nor was it my intent to insinuate such people are doing illegal activities. However, some people may think that others flaunting their legal production ensures their safety of flaunting their possibly less than legal activities.

I do use Tor along with a plethora of other security measures. It isn't perfect, but it's in the ballpark of giving the NSA a run for their money.

The entire intent of my responses, including the posts that I made that I believe may have spawned the OP's post, is to preach security and safety regardless of legality.

I have heard anecdotes of substances becoming illegal on an emergency basis in order to bust some poor schmuck. While I believe the stories are either fabrications, misinformation, someones defense to ignorance of the legal climate or complete bullshit, I don't discount the possibility of such a thing happening in the future.


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Re: ive got a question for the mods of this site.... [Re: fundamentalchair]
    #11553281 - 11/30/09 02:40 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I'll be the one to state the obvious here. It should be remembered that drug enforcement priority is not placed on psychedelic compounds, especially mushrooms. Although busts and arrests obviously due occur, as someone previously mentioned, they are almost always connected to extraneous illegal behavior or bad decision-making on behalf of the individual (e.g. selling, driving, under-covers, revengeful friends).

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Re: ive got a question for the mods of this site.... [Re: Arden]
    #11554141 - 11/30/09 10:00 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Arden said:
I'll be the one to state the obvious here. It should be remembered that drug enforcement priority is not placed on psychedelic compounds, especially mushrooms. Although busts and arrests obviously due occur, as someone previously mentioned, they are almost always connected to extraneous illegal behavior or bad decision-making on behalf of the individual (e.g. selling, driving, under-covers, revengeful friends).




Source? Documentation? Under what situations do they not make hallucinogens a priority? Is it only due to their lack of popularity or is it from their lack of profitability? If things were to change, would any of us know?


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Re: ive got a question for the mods of this site.... [Re: fundamentalchair]
    #11554483 - 11/30/09 11:29 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Source? Documentation? Under what situations do they not make hallucinogens a priority?




I don't feel like digging up a link, but it is certainly there. By far, the majority of their time and budget is spent pursuing "narcotics" and the standard NIDA 5. A mere look at the historical trend and news reports should make this obvious. This is partly due to a lack of popularity on behalf of the psychedelics.

This is relative, mind you. They are still involved in psychedelic drug "crimes" and are not averting their attention any time soon.

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Re: ive got a question for the mods of this site.... [Re: Arden]
    #11554808 - 11/30/09 12:40 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

another note.

why would the govt risk putting any heat on this site, when they could just as easily mine the data passively, and bust people that were too stupid to conceal their personal information.....

they could also pose as a user of the site trying to set up trades with those that were dumb enough to trade illicit things on the site....


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Re: ive got a question for the mods of this site.... [Re: ZippoZ]
    #11555525 - 11/30/09 02:23 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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ZippoZ said:
another note.

why would the govt risk putting any heat on this site, when they could just as easily mine the data passively, and bust people that were too stupid to conceal their personal information.....

they could also pose as a user of the site trying to set up trades with those that were dumb enough to trade illicit things on the site....




To quote myself...

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So, lets say that the cops got a room bugged and they know what goes on in there. If they can track you from their bugs, they can nab you. If they let anyone know where they got the initial information for the bust, the entire scene will fall apart. In order for them to keep their flow of information (and busts) they must continue to allow the room to operate under it's normal conditions.




That is exactly the type of clandestine information gathering that I was talking about. While I didn't mention the mechanism, the methodology stays the same.

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I don't feel like digging up a link, but it is certainly there. By far, the majority of their time and budget is spent pursuing "narcotics" and the standard NIDA 5. A mere look at the historical trend and news reports should make this obvious. This is partly due to a lack of popularity on behalf of the psychedelics.




What you state as obvious I perceive as an improper correlative model. Where you see cause and effect, I see a model in which other causation create correlation.

I don't think that they focus any less on substances other than the NIDA 5, but rather their lack of prevalence makes them much less news worthy and much more rare to get into the news. Considering that the behavioral patterns between someone growing pot, shrooms, or making meth differs mainly by ingredients, the majority of their observations are applicable to all of them. The same is true for trafficing, selling, transporting, et cetera ad museum.

While I do not dispute that there is more public awareness and more busts of the NIDA 5 drugs, your suggestion is anecdotal at best without some form of documentation. Personally I prefer some sort of peer reviewed scientific journal, but "I don't feel like digging up a link" does not grant you any further credibility than had your initial argument.

I suppose really my point is best served by one of your previous posts.

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Although busts and arrests obviously due occur, as someone previously mentioned, they are almost always connected to extraneous illegal behavior or bad decision-making on behalf of the individual (e.g. selling, driving, under-covers, revengeful friends).




Isn't the above list the most common way that all busts happen, regardless of the social profile of the drug?


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Re: ive got a question for the mods of this site.... [Re: fundamentalchair]
    #11589299 - 12/05/09 10:53 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Are you assuming social profile versus LEO profile?

I don't need specific documentation to safely and correctly state that opioids, stimulants, and even marijuana are tied to VASTLY more black-market related violence and actual crime than entheogens, although documentation is available on many forums here. It simply is rarely profitable for one to make an empire selling and manufacturing entheogens because they are rarely used compulsively and regularly such as coke, tweek, dope, or weed.

LEO simply cannot justify a limited budget focusing on hunting down specific entheogenic-users, particularly those that do not arouse reason and suspicion or simply act stupid as mentioned above.

There is not enough resource to hunt down non-violent offenders such as you seem to insinuate. Despite a reasonable level of reason and concern, it is beginning to be noticeable that reality is effecting LEO, especially in down economic times. And again, you can record every street corner in London Square, (or in a gas station), but until there is a reason to look I'll bet my life that after a few weeks that guy behind the camera is reading porn or watching a movie.

Are you offering any recommendations to you voluminous posts of late, or simply advising the community to be overly paranoid? The assertion that the Shroomery is MORE dangerous than a street-corner leads me to believe you have not spent much time on real street corners.

That said, suspicion is always valid, but Alan is speaking from time spent monitoring trends established at this site. And if they REALLY are watching you and want you, your proxy will only be of limited help, assuming "they" are the only "they" that never seem to be defined, (spooks, or Illuminati, or Yahweh, or whatever boogeyman operates "outside" the system with a static agenda and unknown axiomatic set).


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Re: ive got a question for the mods of this site.... [Re: numonkei]
    #11599337 - 12/06/09 09:07 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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numonkei said:
Are you assuming social profile versus LEO profile?





I'm not really sure what you mean by that.

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I don't need specific documentation to safely and correctly state that opioids, stimulants, and even marijuana are tied to VASTLY more black-market related violence and actual crime than entheogens, although documentation is available on many forums here. It simply is rarely profitable for one to make an empire selling and manufacturing entheogens because they are rarely used compulsively and regularly such as coke, tweek, dope, or weed.




The crime only comes with the money, not the drugs. Since the above mentioned substances are profitable and under prohibition, crime is inevitable to follow. When the ability to manufacture entheogens cheaply comes, the profit margin will increase. Removing prohibition or relaxing the 'business cost' of those substances will keep entheogen prices low and therefor under less LEO scrutiny.

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LEO simply cannot justify a limited budget focusing on hunting down specific entheogenic-users, particularly those that do not arouse reason and suspicion or simply act stupid as mentioned above.




I'm not talking about users here. Hell, I'm not even really talking about some people who manufacture for personal use. To me, posting pics of something that would undoubtedly be more than one (hell, even a dozen) people could feasibly eat in 3 months... Well, I define that as poor judgment.

As a general rule, LEOs are after users to get to dealers. Chasing down someone on the internet to find some dime man is definitely not worth their time.

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There is not enough resource to hunt down non-violent offenders such as you seem to insinuate. Despite a reasonable level of reason and concern, it is beginning to be noticeable that reality is effecting LEO, especially in down economic times. And again, you can record every street corner in London Square, (or in a gas station), but until there is a reason to look I'll bet my life that after a few weeks that guy behind the camera is reading porn or watching a movie.




Violence surrounds illegal transactions. Sure, maybe not at the guy who's selling a few 8r's of grass, but somewhere up the food chain there may well be. If they didn't bother with non-violent criminals, there would be no reason for them to try and do busts on someone who has 10-15 plants, as their profile for violence is most likely lower than that of any average person found in a bar on a friday or saturday night.

LEO isn't out to stop violence, not solely, but to gain income. While they brag to the media about how much drugs they bust, the money that they seize is much much more worth their time. This is what helps make the 'drug war' look like something that isn't a complete failure.

About the whole camera thing: The UK had a notoriously low 'hit rate' for solving recorded crime. I read an article somewhere that they're looking to turn it into some sort of entertainment/lottery thing, where the public can watch it and when the person who meets some sort of criteria of reporting crime gets a reward. I can't remember the monetary numbers or the criteria, but it sounds like an interesting way to get over that 'watching porn' thing.

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Are you offering any recommendations to you voluminous posts of late, or simply advising the community to be overly paranoid? The assertion that the Shroomery is MORE dangerous than a street-corner leads me to believe you have not spent much time on real street corners.




Patience, padawan. I'm working on a fairly through guide, however I've got the usual holiday BS that is more urgent at the moment.

As far as a street corner, sure you won't get mugged on the shroomery but that doesn't make it 'safe' either. To say that oral words that are not recorded are to never be heard of again, yet the infinite documentation potential of the internet poses less risk to you just doesn't make sense to me. Even with a voice recording, you may have plausible deniability that it wasn't in fact you. The more of your actions that are documented, the more you have to plan to ensure that plausible deniability.

I wouldn't consider the shroomery to be more dangerous for your average person, but the big fish should do well to not look like big fish. The perception of the internet being anonymous leads many to believe that they are free to admit to anything, but that faulty safety blanket can get you in trouble.

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That said, suspicion is always valid, but Alan is speaking from time spent monitoring trends established at this site. And if they REALLY are watching you and want you, your proxy will only be of limited help, assuming "they" are the only "they" that never seem to be defined, (spooks, or Illuminati, or Yahweh, or whatever boogeyman operates "outside" the system with a static agenda and unknown axiomatic set).


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I am quite aware that there is no protection which is guaranteed foolproof, just as there is no absolute certainty. To throw away all secure practices in the light that you can't achieve absolute security isn't a valid answer either.

The goal should be to make the cost of 'being found' cost more than you are 'worth'. The more security tools and measures you use, and the less you boast about things that are most likely highly illegal, the better off you are. On a personal note, that 'SWIM' thing, 'I had a dream', and the sigs saying that 'all my posts are fiction' do not constitute security. To use them as anything other than an ironic sense of satire is completely ineffective.

I'm not trying to incite panic, but rather to ask for people to use their discretion. Don't go acting a fool because you think that being on the internet somehow separates your physical self from this board.


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Re: ive got a question for the mods of this site.... [Re: fundamentalchair]
    #11602801 - 12/07/09 12:11 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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On a personal note, that 'SWIM' thing, 'I had a dream', and the sigs saying that 'all my posts are fiction' do not constitute security. To use them as anything other than an ironic sense of satire is completely ineffective.




We had another thread on that topic not long ago.

As far as establishing grounds for a warrant you need specific and credible evidence of a crime.  So SWIM or "I dreamed" does go a good way towards making the evidence both non-specific and non-credible.

It would be really hard to say that SWIM is specific since it directly points to another unknown person.  And something like "my dog dreamed" could never be said to be credible.

Just because it doesn't fool anyone doesn't mean it doesn't have a legal use.  And arguments like "we think he's really talking about himself," just don't fly in a court.


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Re: ive got a question for the mods of this site.... [Re: fastfred]
    #11605452 - 12/07/09 06:00 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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As far as establishing grounds for a warrant you need specific and credible evidence of a crime.  So SWIM or "I dreamed" does go a good way towards making the evidence both non-specific and non-credible.




That uses the assumption that they will use information gained from a message board to obtain the warrant. My entire premise is that the information may be used outside of that context.

Short of executing a man in the middle attack against non encrypted traffic (or gross negligence), no internet message board information would ever be credible; at least not in that context.

While it doesn't raise probable cause, it may well cause reasonable suspicion. That suspicion can lead to many other forms of investigation that I'm sure no individual would like to be under.

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And arguments like "we think he's really talking about himself," just don't fly in a court.




Maybe not in the process of gaining probable cause, but I doubt it would be difficult to convince 12 people of any alternative interpretations of wordings which is listed in the rules of certain forums. It may be beneficial in the instance when no other security tools are available, but abstaining from talking about such things would be vastly more prudent.

I just get this feeling that people use it as if it grants them some sort of immunity. A seat belt doesn't make it smart to drive hammered, and 'swim' doesn't make it smart to leave behind your discretion.


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Re: ive got a question for the mods of this site.... [Re: fundamentalchair]
    #11608899 - 12/08/09 05:42 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

they can also say that SWIM means "someone who is me"
I mean shit I never heard that term until this place so good luck with that angle


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Then I drive away in my solar powered piece of shit car, cool stuff man.

And then I go kill a bitch because the flaming orb in the sky told me to do so, and I don't know, oppress a few minorities here and there in the name of nuclear fusion?

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