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InvisibleRebelSteve33
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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: ]
    #1149155 - 12/17/02 12:51 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

A vocabulary is like a tool box or a set of tools. When doing fine detail work it is necessary to have a large set of precise tools. You cannot fix a watch with a huge pipe wrench unless fixing it means smashing it to bits.

Interesting analagy. Everyone that I know who has a lot of tools, though, only really needs a select few of them. The others are merely for show. I think a truly intelligent person is one who can say complex things simply and can still be understood clearly.

I guess it all depends on what your definition of intelligence is, though.


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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1149187 - 12/17/02 01:00 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Everyone that I know who has a lot of tools, though, only really needs a select few of them. The others are merely for show. I think a truly intelligent person is one who can say complex things simply and can still be understood clearly.

That's what I was trying to say.  :grin:


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1149450 - 12/17/02 02:21 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I'm going to use your post and answer you and Murex.

Everyone that I know who has a lot of tools, though, only really needs a select few of them. The others are merely for show. I think a truly intelligent person is one who can say complex things simply and can still be understood clearly.

Yes and no.  People make those same comments about others because they are jealous of them, feel threatened by them, or misunderstand them.  This was the very reason why I was tortured in high school when I used the vocabulary I was used to.  I don't think you understand very much about tools but I could be wrong.  If I am fixing my car and I need a Torx driver no other tool will do.  In car repair these days there are many tools that are necessary to do a job, highly specialized tools in fact.

These tools are the same as the words you incorporate when discussing a technical subject.  That jargon is necessary to understand what is being said.  I think it was you who asked me what a deme and a cline was.  Without the knowledge of those highly technical terms one cannot understand certain aspects of evolution.  At that point one can only think they understand the concepts, but they do not.

Now, knowing those terms does not mean that a person is intelligent.  But it does mean that they are facile within a given subject.  Can you imagine a doctor going through medical school without learning any new words?  I wouldn't want him operating on me, would you?

You were correct, however, about using simple terms to describe something.  That also, is a mark, or can be a mark, of intelligence.  If a person cannot describe a concept in terms that a general audience will understand it may be said that they themselves do not fully understand it.  This is particularly true of philosophy.  If you go back and read some of the things I have written you will find that most of the time I try to couch them in terms that most of you will understand.  I do that so that the concepts will be understood.  If you cannot understand a concept you can neither agree nor disagree.

And lastly there is a correlation between vocabulary and intelligence.  This is why it is included in the SAT tests for college entrance exams.  And it is documented that the greater a vocabulary a person has the more money they make.  Argue against it if you want to but the facts are facts, and incontrovertible.

I hope that helps you understand exactly what I was saying.  Notice I didn't need highly technical jargon to so so.

:smile: 

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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: ]
    #1149742 - 12/17/02 04:12 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

And lastly there is a correlation between vocabulary and intelligence. This is why it is included in the SAT tests for college entrance exams. And it is documented that the greater a vocabulary a person has the more money they make. Argue against it if you want to but the facts are facts, and incontrovertible.

I think it's due to people who have little education in GENRAL. If with a 4th grade education takes the SAT test when he or she is 18 or whatever, and gets a low score- it'' because THEY WERN'T TOUGHT THE VOCABULARY.

Someone with a 4th grade education would most likely not find a good paying job, imo.

Do you get my point yet?

If something is tought something in school that has no basis on anything and completes the SAT with a great score because of all the other stuff learned.......aw, nevermind. I can't think anymore. But there is no direct coralation between knowledge and vocabulary.

Aboriginals don't have a language- are they all stupid, or is it just their culture?  :blush:

Also, I was refering to the actual question I asked- Is this theroy, or is there proof?

And I mean proof that actually coralates knowledge with vocabulary.  :tongue:


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


Edited by Murex (12/17/02 04:19 PM)

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Anonymous

Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: Murex]
    #1150398 - 12/17/02 10:34 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

1. Maybe
2. Maybe
3. Yes

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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: Murex]
    #1150950 - 12/18/02 05:47 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

some of you all make good points, so to clarify -

specificaly to those who are trying to communicate a clear idea for an accurate response and do not like the "haze of confusion' idea, then be clear in what you say..fully explanatory is probably closer to what I mean.


adam


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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: ]
    #1151005 - 12/18/02 06:17 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Mr. Mushrooms and Murex, yer avatars are just too damn funny LOL  :grin:

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Anonymous

Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: chodamunky]
    #1151518 - 12/18/02 09:33 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks chodamunky!  I was hoping that would be the effect.  :smile:

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