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OfflineLife Upon Death
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Re: Spirtual Guilt [Re: MOTH]
    #11509811 - 11/23/09 10:13 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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My policy:

No guilt and no shame
no fear and no pain

Fuck the Catholics.  Guilt trips are SOOO old world.




apposed to what?

new world?

theres plenty of things we do which we SHOULD feel guilty for

everyone here knows it too

but go on, deceive yourself


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Re: Spirtual Guilt [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #11509821 - 11/23/09 10:15 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Guilt is realizing you have made a mistake. Once you realize the mistake, energy should be invested in avoiding the mistake, rather then dwelling on it.

We aren't enlightened beings (just yet :P), we are going to make mistakes. This is part of the learning process. Well, I'm a determinist so I believe there really aren't any mistakes, it's all a learning process :smile:

In short, guilt is useful only in the sense of it's own demise. Once you realize your guilt, you should work towards forgiveness. In your original query I got the sense you were speaking of some prolonged guilt projected on you from a religious institution, which sounds like a method of control.




well I partly agree

once you've realize you've made the mistake its best to move on


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Re: Spirtual Guilt [Re: NastyDHL]
    #11509841 - 11/23/09 10:18 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Well for me, forgiveness is a big part of "spirituality." I don't see how guilt and forgiveness can go hand and hand. Being able to forgive yourself, in the case of self induced guilt, is a big step towards a more positive life.




I agree.  Guilt is a complete roadblock to growth.

If you feel guilty about a mistake you made in your past, you have not accepted and moved past it.  Even if you make a terrible mistake, it is best to accept and forgive yourself, than live every second painfully reminding yourself of something that you have no control over.

You just gotta realize what you can't control, and accept.  If you have no control over something its silly to invest your emotional state in it.

But to really grow its great to realize what you do have control over, and exercise your will.




i have done horrible things in my past.  i try to forgive myself but the guilt always returns.  what the fuck should i do?


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Re: Spirtual Guilt [Re: pong]
    #11510170 - 11/23/09 11:21 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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c0sm0nautt said:
Well for me, forgiveness is a big part of "spirituality." I don't see how guilt and forgiveness can go hand and hand. Being able to forgive yourself, in the case of self induced guilt, is a big step towards a more positive life.




I agree.  Guilt is a complete roadblock to growth.

If you feel guilty about a mistake you made in your past, you have not accepted and moved past it.  Even if you make a terrible mistake, it is best to accept and forgive yourself, than live every second painfully reminding yourself of something that you have no control over.

You just gotta realize what you can't control, and accept.  If you have no control over something its silly to invest your emotional state in it.

But to really grow its great to realize what you do have control over, and exercise your will.




i have done horrible things in my past.  i try to forgive myself but the guilt always returns.  what the fuck should i do?




realize the present moment more fully...release your emotions from the control of that which you have no control over...seriously, take some mdma with friends and talk and work on acceptance and forgiveness


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Re: Spirtual Guilt [Re: pong]
    #11510182 - 11/23/09 11:23 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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c0sm0nautt said:
Well for me, forgiveness is a big part of "spirituality." I don't see how guilt and forgiveness can go hand and hand. Being able to forgive yourself, in the case of self induced guilt, is a big step towards a more positive life.




I agree.  Guilt is a complete roadblock to growth.

If you feel guilty about a mistake you made in your past, you have not accepted and moved past it.  Even if you make a terrible mistake, it is best to accept and forgive yourself, than live every second painfully reminding yourself of something that you have no control over.

You just gotta realize what you can't control, and accept.  If you have no control over something its silly to invest your emotional state in it.

But to really grow its great to realize what you do have control over, and exercise your will.




i have done horrible things in my past.  i try to forgive myself but the guilt always returns.  what the fuck should i do?




have you ever tried penance?
take for example you murdered, why not save a life or make ones life better?
or if you steal, give somethings to people that need.


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Re: Spirtual Guilt [Re: elementswrath]
    #11510229 - 11/23/09 11:29 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

that is a good idea.

but the damage i have done will always stare me in the face regardless.

xnay on the mdmanay.  its not good fer me.

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Re: Spirtual Guilt [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #11510257 - 11/23/09 11:33 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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THE way to rid yourself of guilt is to not live in a way that makes you feel guilty




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Re: Spirtual Guilt [Re: upinthetrees]
    #11510277 - 11/23/09 11:35 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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THE way to rid yourself of guilt is to not live in a way that makes you feel guilty







even when you modify your life this way and dont commit any new offenses, guilt from the past can follow you around and its a bitch.


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Re: Spirtual Guilt [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #11510285 - 11/23/09 11:37 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

look at the world
we should feel guilty


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Re: Spirtual Guilt [Re: pong]
    #11510306 - 11/23/09 11:39 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

okay, it's your go in the end.
i hope what ever you do in the end will make you happy.
i really do, guilt swallows you whole.
it has almost taken my life.

but remember, you only have one life and it's not worth it to drown yourself.
make the best of it.
i have done things myself that are unforgivable (to some people) but i learned how wrong it was and lived on.
now i like helping others so they don't make the same mistakes i did.
nobody is perfect, don't ever think otherwise.


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Re: Spirtual Guilt [Re: elementswrath]
    #11510375 - 11/23/09 11:48 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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okay, it's your go in the end.
i hope what ever you do in the end will make you happy.
i really do, guilt swallows you whole.
it has almost taken my life.

but remember, you only have one life and it's not worth it to drown yourself.
make the best of it.
i have done things myself that are unforgivable (to some people) but i learned how wrong it was and lived on.
now i like helping others so they don't make the same mistakes i did.
nobody is perfect, don't ever think otherwise.




the problem is if i ever saw somebody do the things i did i would be compelled to hurt them very badly.

i think i have to shed this feeling. and have more love.

love is hard i have been working on it though.


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Re: Spirtual Guilt [Re: elementswrath]
    #11510549 - 11/23/09 12:10 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, you make sense.

Maybe its like this..

We've all done things that we regret.  If life allowed us to change the past, I know I would in a lot of ways.  I would even change decisions I made yesterday.  Nothing horrible happened yesterday, but I could have done better.

In the past I have done things that I would describe as horrible. 

The only thing that we can do with regards to the past is realize that though we made bad decisions, they were only that, and that in the present you are also making decisions, probably hundreds or more a day.  Whether to smile at someone or not, whether to waste time on the internet or help someone in need, constant choices.

The past does not exist.  The future does not exist.  The only existential state is here and now.  So, if you are plagued by emotional negativity, generate as much positive energy as you can.  This practice must be done extremely analytically and consciously.  Your behavior should constantly be revised while trying to determine who is benefiting from your actions and who is being served by them. 

You must distinguish your ego from your higher self.  Your higher self exists in harmony with the present moment and place.  It is manifested through selfless thought and action.  By putting the needs of others ahead of your own and by taking only which is freely given.  Things like this can ease guilt.

Forgiveness is understanding.  The circumstances of the decisions you make come from ignorance and fear.  You are not necessarily the same person who committed the actions.  Then, you were like a blind child scratching at the wind.  Now, you have the opportunity to be aware of what you were doing and the reasons you were doing them.  Learn from that.  If you see these circumstances in the lives of others, show them understanding, and try to make them aware.

Whatever your world is, make it better by doing as little harm as you possibly can, and by creating as much positivity as you possibly can. 

Remember that your ego does not matter, is a distraction, and though feels nice and comfortable is the root of all negative feelings.     

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Re: Spirtual Guilt [Re: StaleShrooms]
    #11510557 - 11/23/09 12:11 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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THE way to rid your FUTURE of guilt is to not live in a way that makes you feel guilty







even when you modify your life this way and dont commit any new offenses, guilt from the past can follow you around and its a bitch.




true. Thanks for pointing that out.


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Re: Spirtual Guilt [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #11510601 - 11/23/09 12:20 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

we dont seem to live in a world where this
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Yes, you make sense.

Maybe its like this..

We've all done things that we regret.  If life allowed us to change the past, I know I would in a lot of ways.  I would even change decisions I made yesterday.  Nothing horrible happened yesterday, but I could have done better.

In the past I have done things that I would describe as horrible. 

The only thing that we can do with regards to the past is realize that though we made bad decisions, they were only that, and that in the present you are also making decisions, probably hundreds or more a day.  Whether to smile at someone or not, whether to waste time on the internet or help someone in need, constant choices.

The past does not exist.  The future does not exist.  The only existential state is here and now.  So, if you are plagued by emotional negativity, generate as much positive energy as you can.  This practice must be done extremely analytically and consciously.  Your behavior should constantly be revised while trying to determine who is benefiting from your actions and who is being served by them. 

You must distinguish your ego from your higher self.  Your higher self exists in harmony with the present moment and place.  It is manifested through selfless thought and action.  By putting the needs of others ahead of your own and by taking only which is freely given.  Things like this can ease guilt.

Forgiveness is understanding.  The circumstances of the decisions you make come from ignorance and fear.  You are not necessarily the same person who committed the actions.  Then, you were like a blind child scratching at the wind.  Now, you have the opportunity to be aware of what you were doing and the reasons you were doing them.  Learn from that.  If you see these circumstances in the lives of others, show them understanding, and try to make them aware.

Whatever your world is, make it better by doing as little harm as you possibly can, and by creating as much positivity as you possibly can. 

Remember that your ego does not matter, is a distraction, and though feels nice and comfortable is the root of all negative feelings.     

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Maybe, I don't really know anything.





i wish i knew what my higher self was.  haha,


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Re: Spirtual Guilt [Re: pong]
    #11510607 - 11/23/09 12:22 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

hhaha.

We live in different worlds.


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Re: Spirtual Guilt [Re: pong]
    #11510659 - 11/23/09 12:31 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Here is some pretty good literature on the higher self.

http://www.floweroflife.org/higherself01.htm


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The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)


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Re: Spirtual Guilt [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #11510739 - 11/23/09 12:45 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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hhaha.

We live in different worlds.





definitely... i like this higher self idea.

to me higher self = soul.

i gues that is where i was confused.

that reading is good!


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Re: Spirtual Guilt [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #11511473 - 11/23/09 02:18 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Right on man, seems like you have the idea down pat! :sun:


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