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InvisibleOlympus Mons
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Prayer and the application of prayer beads
    #11509266 - 11/23/09 07:26 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

My only understanding of prayer is christian and im not a christian so it seems kind of pointless. I would like to learn what prayer is and how the non religious can use it. i would also like to learn how beads are used during prayer. thanx.


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Re: Prayer and the application of prayer beads [Re: Olympus Mons]
    #11509352 - 11/23/09 08:15 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

In my opinion, it's all about intent/belief. Therefore, whether we speak of Christian contemplative prayer or Buddhist meditation, we are ultimately getting at the same thing - some form of connection with spirit, intelligent infinity.

The beads are good because they help keep your focus. Prayer and religion usually go hand and hand, your directing your energy towards the transcendental part of yourself, whether it be Jesus, Krishna, Ram, the Buddha, or even simply your Guru or Higher Self. Most of these transcendental ideas are already claimed by various religions, so in that sense getting away from religion is hard, but does it really matter?


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Re: Prayer and the application of prayer beads [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #11509589 - 11/23/09 09:22 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

no not necessarily. Im just not religious in that sense, if i were to say that i had a religion per se, would be spirituality. i feel pretty confident that there is a higher power, but as you know, nothing is definite. what do the beads direct your focus toward, and does the material matter?


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Re: Prayer and the application of prayer beads [Re: Olympus Mons]
    #11509667 - 11/23/09 09:39 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Well, in my opinion, the beads are nothing more than an aid to concentration and the belief you personally invest in them. In themselves, they are nothing more than beads.

I'm a religious pluralist in the sense that I believe every belief system has a degree of truth. I believe our beliefs play a huge part in the mystical experience. Whether we speak of the mystical experiences of Shamans taking psychoactive drugs, Sufi dancing, Christian orison, Buddhist chanting - it is all belief orientating. If your familiar with Astral projection, you know that all of our thoughts/beliefs can literally manifest into form. So in this same sense, our beliefs of something transcendental open us up, or make us receptive, to the transcendental or mystical experience. Does this make any sense?


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Re: Prayer and the application of prayer beads [Re: Olympus Mons]
    #11509751 - 11/23/09 09:58 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

IMO...Prayer and meditation are synonymous in that they essentially, guided by intent/focus, are attempts to help manifest positive changes in your life. 

Everybody has the ability to meditate or pray without assistance form any external stimuli.  All that is needed is focused concentration, and intent.  Its all inside.

Beads are generally used in conjunction with mantras to aid in concentration.  They aren't only something for you hands to hang onto but your mind as well.  They become a metaphor for what you are really focusing on. 


I should add that, IMO, I think it is important for beginners not to attach words, titles, objects, or others experiences to their limited perception of meditation/prayer.  An intuitive meditation guided by the higher self is always more special and powerful than one read from a book.  IMO.  It can be OK to gather a few ideas but I don't believe in verbatim meditation at all. 

I believe the best way to walk the path is to forge it at the same time.


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Re: Prayer and the application of prayer beads [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #11509763 - 11/23/09 10:00 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

yeah i think we subscribe to the same religion, ive heard it referred to as omnism. what im not understanding is the direction in which my prayers are sent, is it more about just putting your intentions "in the air" so to speak, or having a figure to send it to?


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Re: Prayer and the application of prayer beads [Re: Olympus Mons]
    #11509931 - 11/23/09 10:34 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I like to direct it towards my Guru or higher self. A part of me which exists outside of linear time, my future stage of consciousness which is with me as a guide as all times.


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Re: Prayer and the application of prayer beads [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #11509949 - 11/23/09 10:37 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

as of the last year or two i feel as if me and my higher self are on an ever shortening tether. almost like we will connect very soon and it's going to monumental.


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Re: Prayer and the application of prayer beads [Re: Olympus Mons]
    #11509971 - 11/23/09 10:41 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Yea I've been on a "Spiritual Journey" in the past couple years too. I almost made a 360 in my beliefs of the world. I feel like I'm moving towards something too. I do put some weight in 2012, evolving consciousness, density shift stuff.


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Re: Prayer and the application of prayer beads [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #11510006 - 11/23/09 10:47 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

finding out about 2012 has been a looooong twisting journey for me. In the beginning the apocalyptic view of it alone was enough for me to change who i was completely. But further down the line i realized that it wasnt about the end of times, it wasnt about being afraid, it's more about being a catalyst for change, and preparation for what  is about to happen to us as a species.


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Re: Prayer and the application of prayer beads [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #11510165 - 11/23/09 11:20 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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I like to direct it towards my Guru or higher self




Its the only way to go.


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Re: Prayer and the application of prayer beads [Re: postanaldrip]
    #11510879 - 11/23/09 01:04 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

There is never a time when one is not in contact with ones higher Self
We can only hold onto ideas we are something other than our true Self, then strive to acheive that which we are


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Re: Prayer and the application of prayer beads [Re: Chronic7]
    #11514469 - 11/23/09 08:32 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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c0sm0nautt said:
Well, in my opinion, the beads are nothing more than an aid to concentration and the belief you personally invest in them. In themselves, they are nothing more than beads.





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The only way I've ever used beads was just to count prayers/mantras.

To the OP>> The most pragmatic way of thinking about prayer is to think of it as training your mind in a certain way of thinking. Praying for the well-being of others probably won't heal them, but it will train your thoughts to be more inclined toward compassion.

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There is never a time when one is not in contact with ones higher Self
We can only hold onto ideas we are something other than our true Self, then strive to acheive that which we are




There is No Self!


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Re: Prayer and the application of prayer beads [Re: Chronic7]
    #11514537 - 11/23/09 08:42 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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There is never a time when one is not in contact with ones higher Self




True.  The awareness of just that idea is what needs to be developed and sustained in order for the higher self to be in touch enough for proficient utilization.  Therein lies the purpose of meditation, in my eyes. 


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We can only hold onto ideas we are something other than our true Self, then strive to acheive that which we are




Thats all conditioning but it does provide a great platform for growth and discovery.  It provides a sense of purpose.  It gives reason to a seemingly unreasonable world.


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Re: Prayer and the application of prayer beads [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #11514561 - 11/23/09 08:47 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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There is No Self!




Therein lies the paradox of the term Higher Self. 

Higher consciousness/superconscious sounds more appropriate.


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