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Re: Fields where experts and novices are on equal footing [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11505256 - 11/22/09 04:12 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

This metastudy shows that acupuncture is an effective treatment for the following conditions:

Adverse reactions to radiotherapy and/or chemotherapy
Allergic rhinitis (including hay fever)
Biliary colic
Depression (including depressive neurosis and depression following stroke)
Dysentery, acute bacillary
Dysmenorrhoea, primary
Epigastralgia, acute (in peptic ulcer, acute and chronic gastritis, and gastrospasm)
Facial pain (including craniomandibular disorders)
Headache
Hypertension, essential
Hypotension, primary
Induction of labour
Knee pain
Leukopenia
Low back pain
Malposition of fetus, correction of
Morning sickness
Nausea and vomiting
Neck pain
Pain in dentistry (including dental pain and temporomandibular dysfunction)
Periarthritis of shoulder
Postoperative pain
Renal colic
Rheumatoid arthritis
Sciatica
Sprain
Stroke
Tennis elbow

http://apps.who.int/medicinedocs/en/d/Js4926e/5.html


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Re: Fields where experts and novices are on equal footing [Re: deCypher]
    #11505521 - 11/22/09 04:56 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Cool does it also work on raquetball elbow?:wink:

I had many (at least a dozen) treatments for low back pain without results.

I have also tried it on three or four other conditions with no results. Although maybe some of them weren't on the list the "doctors" told me it would be effective.

I want my money back. :hissyfit:


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Re: Fields where experts and novices are on equal footing [Re: deCypher]
    #11505949 - 11/22/09 05:58 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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This metastudy shows that acupuncture is an effective treatment for the following conditions:




What is your point? I already conceded that sticking one with a needle releases endorphins.

Did you also read the Swedish study on sham acupuncture? A needle can be stuck anywhere by anyone and get the same results. How does that mesh with any sort of study of non-existent meridans?

What kind of needles were available 3000 years ago and when were fine steel and gold needles invented?

Do you just gloss over every single salient point that I made or what?


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Re: Fields where experts and novices are on equal footing [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11506262 - 11/22/09 06:45 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
What kind of needles were available 3000 years ago and when were fine steel and gold needles invented?







The same kind that Otzi the Iceman, a 5000 year old glacier mummy got his 50some tattoos

probably stone, or other natural material that can be sharpened or splintered.



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Re: Fields where experts and novices are on equal footing [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
    #11506349 - 11/22/09 06:57 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Amazing find. :congrats:

Now please show one stone age needle the thickness of a human hair.


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Re: Fields where experts and novices are on equal footing [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11506424 - 11/22/09 07:07 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

They had big pores back then.


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Re: Fields where experts and novices are on equal footing [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11506462 - 11/22/09 07:14 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

maybe they used rolled strands of copper.  copper is  sharp enough to easily penetrate skin.

this predates your 3000 year ago rebuttal by a couple thousand years.


here is just one example of a copper age society.
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Early Mehrgarh residents lived in mud brick houses, stored their grain in granaries, fashioned tools with local copper ore, and lined their large basket containers with bitumen. They cultivated six-row barley, einkorn and emmer wheat, jujubes and dates, and herded sheep, goats and cattle. Residents of the later period (5500 BCE to 2600 BCE) put much effort into crafts, including flint knapping, tanning, bead production, and metal working. The site was occupied continuously until about 2600 BCE





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Re: Fields where experts and novices are on equal footing [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
    #11506527 - 11/22/09 07:22 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Skin penetration = needle? WTF are going on about?

Copper the size of a human hair was not only technologically undoable until fairly recently, but is way too soft.


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Re: Fields where experts and novices are on equal footing [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11506582 - 11/22/09 07:28 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Then how do you explain the strand of copper that has been under the skin of my finger for the past 15 years?




you are the one defining that acupuncture must have always been performed performed with something the thickness of a human hair.. :shrug:


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Re: Fields where experts and novices are on equal footing [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
    #11506668 - 11/22/09 07:38 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Then how do you explain the strand of copper that has been under the skin of my finger for the past 15 years?





Wow! You must be free from all disease and pain then...

Here is how acupuncture may have been discovered:



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