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Afraid of posting things here on the Shroomery....
#11502502 - 11/22/09 01:45 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I feel I shouldn't, but just can't shake the feeling that I can get in trouble for anything I say or post here. But I am careful IRL, and not a single person knows that I go here, or what I do.
Should I just stop posting all together to ensure saftey? Or am I just a BIT too paranoid?
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Anonymous #2
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Re: Afraid of posting things here on the Shroomery.... [Re: Anonymous #1]
#11503685 - 11/22/09 11:39 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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you are WAY too paranoid.. no one is going to waste their time to hunt down a random drug user from a drug forum
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Brennus
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Re: Afraid of posting things here on the Shroomery.... [Re: Anonymous #2]
#11504673 - 11/22/09 02:17 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lay down the pipe and go outside for a few hours.
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Re: Afraid of posting things here on the Shroomery.... [Re: Brennus]
#11505569 - 11/22/09 05:03 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Afraid of posting things here on the Shroomery.... [Re: Anonymous #1]
#11508840 - 11/23/09 02:35 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Should I just stop posting all together to ensure saftey?
Too paranoid. None of the other posters have got any heat for their posts. It would be silly to assume that you would be the first one.
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fundamentalchair
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Re: Afraid of posting things here on the Shroomery.... [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#11518692 - 11/24/09 01:02 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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None of the other posters have got any heat for their posts. It would be silly to assume that you would be the first one.
I think it would be silly for you to assume that none of the other posters have ever gotten any heat for their posts...
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Re: Afraid of posting things here on the Shroomery.... [Re: Anonymous #2]
#11518713 - 11/24/09 01:06 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anonymous said: you are WAY too paranoid.. no one is going to waste their time to hunt down a random drug user from a drug forum

Says anon #2^^^
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Afraid of posting things here on the Shroomery.... [Re: fundamentalchair]
#11519816 - 11/24/09 03:44 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think it would be silly for you to assume that none of the other posters have ever gotten any heat for their posts...
If anyone has ever gotten any heat for a post they made, they never told anyone at shroomery about it. I think it is reasonable to assume that if people were experiencing legal difficulties due to this site, they would complain quite a bit about it here.
None of the mycotopia users are complaining about getting heat for posting either.
If people were getting in trouble for posting illegal things, this forum would light up like a christmas tree.
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fundamentalchair
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Re: Afraid of posting things here on the Shroomery.... [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#11520122 - 11/24/09 04:33 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said:
If anyone has ever gotten any heat for a post they made, they never told anyone at shroomery about it. I think it is reasonable to assume that if people were experiencing legal difficulties due to this site, they would complain quite a bit about it here.
None of the mycotopia users are complaining about getting heat for posting either.
If people were getting in trouble for posting illegal things, this forum would light up like a christmas tree.
Same argument, 2 threads. I apologize for cross threading.
The above statement implys a known causal relationship, which can not be assumed. I wouldn't suggest that some guy with a dozen pf jars is gonna catch any heat, assuming (s)he's keeping it all for personal, but the guy running 4-6 mono's with a half dozen jars each... Well, you should know well enough how this stuff works.
What is the cause for heat? Is it ever truly known? Was the wrong person talked to? Were too many people told? Did someone down the line slip up? Was it completely random? Was said person being staked out? Who knows?
The best trick the devil ever pulled was to make it appear as though he didn't exist at all.
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Re: Afraid of posting things here on the Shroomery.... [Re: fundamentalchair]
#11520655 - 11/24/09 05:37 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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What is the cause for heat? Is it ever truly known? Was the wrong person talked to? Were too many people told? Did someone down the line slip up? Was it completely random? Was said person being staked out? Who knows?
Usually the reason for the heat comes out in court.
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The best trick the devil ever pulled was to make it appear as though he didn't exist at all.
I don't think the devil works that way. How many growers do you know of who have been busted in the past year? How many people who post lots of really nice pictures have been busted, ever?
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fundamentalchair
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Re: Afraid of posting things here on the Shroomery.... [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#11522046 - 11/24/09 08:20 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Usually the reason for the heat comes out in court.
I'm reluctant to believe that every detail of the investigative process is laid out in court, let alone documented.
Is it really necessary for a cop to say where he got his hunch to get a 'random' traffic stop for some unrelated traffic offense to try and obtain the ability to search a suspect's vehicle?
I'm more inclined to believe that they are willing to be more clandestine about such information when it could lead to the destruction of further sources of information.
We aren't talking about WUHOTs here, we're talking about clever and resourceful people. Underestimating the enemy is the surest way to defeat.
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How many growers do you know of who have been busted in the past year? How many people who post lots of really nice pictures have been busted, ever?
1. Not a one. 2. I have no idea.
Most importantly, what makes me think that I should be privy to that information. People fall off of this site on a daily basis, and no one knows why.
How many of those people were busted? How many can you prove weren't? If you can't prove that they weren't, how do you know if they were?
We work as a clandestine pseudo-organization with purposely surrounded in obscurity and anonymity. I quite frankly don't want anyone here to know me personally, and I bet dollars to donuts that if I were busted tomorrow no one would be any the wiser.
As a case example, noobie was arrested (on an unrelated set of circumstances). Reading over some of the threads surrounding that event, had it not have been for his ex using his account illegitimately no information would have been retrieved about his actual circumstances. Quite frankly, he could have taken a bullet to the dome for all any of us knew.
I'm not here to assert that I am aware of any such arrests that were made due to posts here, but I am here to assert that no one can disprove it either. If it hasn't happened, it will. The only defense is through having verifiable personally identifying information in which the shroomery can then track the freedom of each registrant individually.
Please keep in mind that I am quite aware that I am traversing into tin-foil-hat territory, but I don't see my concern as being unfounded.
With a B&E and maybe $3-5k worth of equipment, I could track down the approximate whereabouts of numerous shroomery members. With some malicious code or heuristics I could do the same. With some social engineering or some high profile hacking, I could nail it down to specific addresses. I am talking about an enemy with far greater resources that I could pool together, as well as having the ability to gain such information without having to jump through so many hoops. While I can't verify their abilities, I feel fairly safe to make educated guesses what they can accomplish given their resource pool.
The logical argument to that is a matter of resource efficiency. Unfortunately we know that 'the man' is willing to spend several thousands of dollars to put john doe behind bars for as long as possible for possessing an ounce of grass. Yeah, they spend well over 10 times the cost of the product to keep john doe from smoking some weed, playing video games and having esoteric conversations about the existence of god while staring at his coffee table. Do not underestimate the government's willingness to piss away our money.
I'm not suggesting that you should not post about your accomplishments, but I think it would be prudent to exaggerating your production level down to something that won't raise any big flags. Good for you if you have a 2000 sq foot house completely devoted to growing shrooms, pretend it's a dozen jars on here or at least make yourself as hard as possible to track down.
Oh, by the way, becoming a supporter and getting the TSL encryption can be a false sense of security.
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Re: Afraid of posting things here on the Shroomery.... [Re: fundamentalchair]
#11533811 - 11/26/09 07:35 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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fundamentalchair said:
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None of the other posters have got any heat for their posts. It would be silly to assume that you would be the first one.
I think it would be silly for you to assume that none of the other posters have ever gotten any heat for their posts...
lol this guy is anon #1 poster haha
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Re: Afraid of posting things here on the Shroomery.... [Re: all_for_war]
#11541080 - 11/28/09 03:14 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am not OP.
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Re: Afraid of posting things here on the Shroomery.... [Re: all_for_war]
#11541083 - 11/28/09 03:15 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am not OP. 2
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dwtk
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Re: Afraid of posting things here on the Shroomery.... [Re: LobsterSauce]
#11541657 - 11/28/09 09:04 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Jimtown said:
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Anonymous said: you are WAY too paranoid.. no one is going to waste their time to hunt down a random drug user from a drug forum

Says anon #2^^^
touche heheh .. that was me. i think i clicked it on when i meant to click it off.. or something? i deff aint paranoid
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Re: Afraid of posting things here on the Shroomery.... [Re: dwtk]
#11553305 - 11/30/09 02:54 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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This sort of paranoia is normal and reflects our early environmental conditioning as opposed to a truthful reflection of a political threat.
Some drugs exaggerate this paranoia while others, namely the psychedelics, tend to dissolve them.
Learning about entheogens from others is an age-old interaction that has moved from the whisper-laden jungles to the textual sea of the internet. Life favors the brave. Don't walk in a single file line because you are afraid someone is peaking over your shoulder. That sort of ideation is the consequence of deliberate manipulation that saves the authorities the time and resources for investing in someone to actually do it.
Breathe easy, soldier.
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Re: Afraid of posting things here on the Shroomery.... [Re: Arden]
#11554389 - 11/30/09 11:05 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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dont listen to these crazy men. yes you can get in some serious shit depending on what you post here. Of course they wont say they did cause they are threateed by the US government. they must keep their mouth shut or they will get arrested and raided and swat teamed up. Dont post anything you dont feel comfortable about
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fundamentalchair
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Re: Afraid of posting things here on the Shroomery.... [Re: Anonymous #4]
#11555670 - 11/30/09 02:43 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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This sort of paranoia is normal and reflects our early environmental conditioning as opposed to a truthful reflection of a political threat.
Hypothetical situation: If you are manufacturing a Schedule 1 substance, are 'they' or are 'they' not out to get you?
Walk up to a LEO and tell him you manufacture LSD. Let me know how fictitious that legal threat is.
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Some drugs exaggerate this paranoia while others, namely the psychedelics, tend to dissolve them.
A psychedelic experience if often a very private endeavor, for me at least. While I am inebriated I don't notice any difference in my level of paranoia, nor when sober before or after.
While it is rumored that sketchy drugs like meth often induce paranoia, growing mushrooms wouldn't leave me with any more or less concern for my liberty than manufacturing meth.
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Learning about entheogens from others is an age-old interaction that has moved from the whisper-laden jungles to the textual sea of the internet.
I could have not worded in a more beautiful way as to why I believe that we should all practice strong security within our subculture. While the foundation and passing of knowledge may well travel in the same method along a different medium, to understate the pervasiveness and ability to find such information is by no means the same.
In a time before cellphones, I often wonder how people were able to conduct what I would now consider legitimate business. The ability to communicate was much much more difficult, but those interactions were also more personal. The entire act of documentation was tedious and only saved for the most important of endevors.
Today, everything is documented, filed, sorted, and statistically analyzed. In order for a business to succede, their marketing strategies must be better than their competitors by knowing their (potential) customers better. Nothing goes unseen, nothing unrecorded. In the world of the wide web, only our thoughts are truly private; those even can have relatively accurate estimates based on behavior.
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Life favors the brave.
So do LEO's. They are what is known as 'sloppy'.
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Don't walk in a single file line because you are afraid someone is peaking over your shoulder.
While I am not sure of your absolute connotations from this sentence, I will say that I assume someone is looking over my shoulder. I don't fear it, I just adjust my actions so that while they are I do not stick out any more than any other suit.
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That sort of ideation is the consequence of deliberate manipulation that saves the authorities the time and resources for investing in someone to actually do it.
If you are proposing that retaining anonymity though the actions of camouflaging oneself into a culture who has a low probability of being under scrutiny is counterproductive and decreases the costs of investigation, you are unbearably wrong.
The worst war we fought (as the US) was the Vietnam war. Not because of traditional guerrilla tactics, those of which we were used to, but because of insurgents disguising themselves as civilians. This is the defining characteristic between being clandestine and 'shady'. He who is spotted hiding is known to be hiding something, he who is spotted as everyone else has no more of a probability of being anything but another of everyone else.
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Breathe easy, soldier.
My breathing is quite fine, thank you. My mind will be much more at ease once this world figures out the definition of freedom and oppression.
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Re: Afraid of posting things here on the Shroomery.... [Re: fundamentalchair]
#11568217 - 12/02/09 06:22 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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While this doesn't have anything to do directly with the shroomery, you may want to read this post.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11568063
in relation to sprint...
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"the government routinely obtains customer records from ISPs detailing the telephone numbers dialed, text messages, emails and instant messages sent, web pages browsed, the queries submitted to search engines, and geolocation data, detailing exactly where an individual was located at a particular date and time."
Anyone who believes 'they' are not out to get you, regardless if you do anything illegal or not, is completely delusional.
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Afraid of posting things here on the Shroomery.... [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#11569769 - 12/02/09 12:46 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Relax. They are not out to get you.
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