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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: Doc_T]
    #11525474 - 11/25/09 10:53 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Wicked, thanks for clearing that up for me, much appreciated!
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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: badman]
    #11561354 - 12/01/09 10:11 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Some fruits, didn't manage to get prints from these:


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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: Doc_T]
    #11561392 - 12/01/09 10:19 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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very cool. reminds me of zapotecorum.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/586123#586123
ignore the first pics of the wild specimens.. and, see the indoor ones have upturned caps when they are mature

I wonder how tall they get

did the stipes have similar texture also? I don't know the correct term





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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: Wimy]
    #11561413 - 12/01/09 10:23 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

They were ridgy and fuzzy, but not shaggy.
I don't know if they are supposed to grow tall and skinny like that, or if that is a sign they need moar FAE.


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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: Doc_T]
    #11561437 - 12/01/09 10:26 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

quote]Doc_T said:
Some fruits, didn't manage to get prints from these:





Did the caps dry out before dropping spores?
Or they weren't mature enough to drop any?
Possibly they just didn't have any?

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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: stonesun]
    #11561458 - 12/01/09 10:29 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

The first one, I put a dish of water in the glovebox to maybe help with the drying- but they all did get way too dry.
And maybe they didn't open enough. They are tiny and flimsy and hard to handle compared to cubes.

Sterile? Dunno, maybe. Could be possible.


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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: stonesun]
    #11561467 - 12/01/09 10:30 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Nice job, it's good to know that it at least works.  I wonder if they would have fruited better if you had just left the cakes in the jars like others have mentioned.  Either way, they look nice.

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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: libertaire]
    #11561480 - 12/01/09 10:32 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I've got that in progress now. No results yet.


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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: stonesun]
    #11561491 - 12/01/09 10:34 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

quick observation- i think those ball/bell shaped caps tend to be a characteristic of taller/skinnier species.

did somebody say invitro? put some sand in the top of the jar. pleeaaassseeeeeee.


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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: Wimy]
    #11561510 - 12/01/09 10:37 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

That might actually be a great idea.  Bw has had some incredible results with casing mexicana with sand, so it may have similar results in this species.

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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: Wimy]
    #11561519 - 12/01/09 10:38 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Sand or verm? I don't have sand, but I guess I could swipe some from a playground.

The one jar, I'm using the top verm layer as a casing layer. Seemed reasonable, but I'm open to ideas.

And what about silica gel? Does that seem plausible to anybody?


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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: Doc_T]
    #11561575 - 12/01/09 10:48 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

"after my myco bag was fully colonized. i decided to fruit it. i took a bucket, drilled holes in the bottom. then covered the bottom with rocks so that no water can pool. put down my spawn. covered it completely in sand, then put a peat/ verm casing over that. about 7 days from pin to harvest"

From this thread:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10933255#10933255

If by using the verm layer as a casing layer, you mean the one that is used to block contams during colonization, I think that might be a bad idea, since the contams that are built up in it will the be invited to fruit by moistening the verm.  I could be wrong though, I don't know. 

Silica gel?  Isn't that used to dry things out?  Wouldn't you want your casing layer to be moist?

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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: Doc_T]
    #11561580 - 12/01/09 10:49 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I know silica keeps your shrooms fresh but it's toxic so you should use salt instead. seems like it would dry out the sub if anything.

Verm is cool but i always figured that if you use sand you will get better fruits. It's what the species has evolved around.


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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: libertaire]
    #11561596 - 12/01/09 10:51 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Sand covered w/ peat, hm? :strokebeard:
I dump out the dry verm, then wash the cake. All that's left is what was colonized.
I meant moistened silica gel for casing- you're right about it being a desiccant when dry.

Edit - silica gel is not toxic, though you shouldn't eat it. The kind that changes color has a toxic ingredient.


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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: Doc_T]
    #11561672 - 12/01/09 11:05 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

i see how youre thinking now.. i didnt know this


The most common constituent of sand, in inland continental settings and non-tropical coastal settings, is silica (silicon dioxide, or SiO2), usually in the form of quartz, which, because of its chemical inertness and considerable hardness, is the most common mineral resistant to weathering.

sand isn't really well defined. it can be made out of a number of things. I would research the common rocks (quartz [silica] and lime) in the area where the species originated


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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: Wimy]
    #11561692 - 12/01/09 11:07 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know if the type of sand it is really matters.  I mean, would it really colonize the sand itself?  Or is it just the texture of sand that it is adapted to?  And if so, is there a big difference in texture between different types of sand?

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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: libertaire]
    #11561699 - 12/01/09 11:09 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10933255/page/3

you saw how bw86 did his sand right?  sand directly on spawn then his sub...


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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: libertaire]
    #11561707 - 12/01/09 11:11 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

The sand could provide more functions than we are currently aware of. it warrants hands on experimentation imo

no 13 i ignored everything but those juicy fruits..... lol im a bad shroomerite sometimes. all this thinking was spawned once when rockefeller said "I wonder if they would like a bit of sand in the casing to remind them of home"

Also isn't salt like the ultimate contam barrier? and silica must have a similar function. Now i'm following you


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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: Wimy]
    #11561720 - 12/01/09 11:15 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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i see how youre thinking now.. i didnt know this


The most common constituent of sand, in inland continental settings and non-tropical coastal settings, is silica (silicon dioxide, or SiO2), usually in the form of quartz, which, because of its chemical inertness and considerable hardness, is the most common mineral resistant to weathering.

sand isn't really well defined. it can be made out of a number of things. I would research the common rocks (quartz [silica] and lime) in the area where the species originated




Oh, that wasn't how I was thinking- I just thought it would provide a nice environment. You give me too much credit.
Although there are different kinds of sand, I think they'll all be about the same for mycological purposes. At least as far as using it to case a little jar of BRF.

So does anybody know whereabouts in Georgia you can find wild Ps. Galindoi growing?


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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: Doc_T]
    #11561749 - 12/01/09 11:21 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Horrible pic but does it look like this:



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