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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: Rose]
    #11520512 - 11/24/09 05:19 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks! :blush:

Anybody happen to know what BRF weighs? I get five cakes per batch, so 14/(w/5) should be my Biological Efficiency. I bet it's over 100%.


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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: Doc_T]
    #11520542 - 11/24/09 05:22 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

i wonder if that fast blast would work with oysters
dont see why not  ill have some jars done here soon
ill give it a go i could do 1 with and 1 without

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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #11520571 - 11/24/09 05:24 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think you need to with oysters, they're fast enough. And they kinda blast already too.


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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: Doc_T]
    #11520587 - 11/24/09 05:26 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

they do seem to tear thru anything you put them on

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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: Doc_T]
    #11520621 - 11/24/09 05:31 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Hippie Chick says a 1/4 cup of BRF weighs 52 grams.
So a cup = 208, and one of my cakes has 42 grams. BE of 33%, I was way wrong.


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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: Doc_T]
    #11520674 - 11/24/09 05:40 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

now we know


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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: feelfunny]
    #11520798 - 11/24/09 05:54 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Plus, that BE is just for your noob friendly way.  I bet you can "Doc"ter up a better substrate mix that will get way better efficiency.


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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: feelfunny]
    #11520845 - 11/24/09 05:57 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

But that's 3 grams DCE- dried cubensis equivalent. Approx 30 grams fresh. 30/42 = 72% equivalent efficiency, that's a little better. :smile:

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Plus, that BE is just for your noob friendly way.  I bet you can "Doc"ter up a better substrate mix that will get way better efficiency.




Yeah, these didn't even have gypsum or anything. Water, BRF, verm. I pressure cooked for 90@15, but otherwise very plain PF Tek.


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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: Doc_T]
    #11521009 - 11/24/09 06:12 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah, these didn't even have gypsum or anything. Water, BRF, verm. I pressure cooked for 90@15, but otherwise very plain PF Tek.





Yeah, I figured it was a super basic recipe.  A little coffee and gypsum would probably go a long way.


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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: Doc_T]
    #11521086 - 11/24/09 06:23 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

14 g wet stones is 4.7 g dry.

One cake is 42 g. (4.7/42)X100 = 11.2

So 11.2% of BRF in to biomass hence BE is 112% right? or has my idea of BE been wrong?

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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: badman]
    #11521130 - 11/24/09 06:28 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

That "10%" adjustment applies to fresh vs dried cubes. Less applicable here.
BE = fresh weight of harvest / dry weight of nutritious ingredients (not verm or water) as far as I know.


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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: Doc_T]
    #11521139 - 11/24/09 06:29 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

14 g wet stones is 4.7 g dry.

thats not 10% Doc:strokebeard:


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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11521158 - 11/24/09 06:32 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Never said it was. Review the posts, you'll see what I mean. I don't consider dry weight for stones anyway, I don't see a point to it.


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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: Doc_T]
    #11521205 - 11/24/09 06:37 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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That "10%" adjustment applies to fresh vs dried cubes. Less applicable here.
BE = fresh weight of harvest / dry weight of nutritious ingredients (not verm or water) as far as I know.




water should be excluded either way hence using dry biomass over mass of sub.

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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: badman]
    #11521618 - 11/24/09 07:29 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I agree.  Wet stones should include the weight of the water in the sub.  Dry stones would use the dry sub weight.  Otherwise you have a lot of water in the stones that didn't come from the dry ingredients being included in the BE calculations.


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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: badman]
    #11521653 - 11/24/09 07:33 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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That "10%" adjustment applies to fresh vs dried cubes. Less applicable here.
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water should be excluded either way hence using dry biomass over mass of sub.




That's not how it's defined. Remember that most people don't eat their mushrooms dried. It's just us cube munchers.

Doesn't really matter either way. 14g/cake is fine, no matter what the other numbers work out to.


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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: Doc_T]
    #11521816 - 11/24/09 07:55 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

How is it defined? Cant find a definition but I know it involves the conversion of biomass or something to that effect. The numbers say around 10% conversion of biomass.

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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: badman]
    #11524344 - 11/25/09 06:18 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Huh. I know I learned it that way, it made my brain hurt.
But RR defines it dry-to-dry weight: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8969004#8969004
Maybe you can just make it up any way you like?

Dry to dry, it comes out at 0.1. So that's 10% BE by definition?


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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: Doc_T]
    #11524401 - 11/25/09 06:32 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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But RR defines it dry-to-dry weight: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8969004#8969004





That was a typo/brain fart on my part.  BE is based on dry substrate weight to wet mushroom weight.  I corrected it later in the thread when hippie chick caught my mistake.

Either way, that's nice.  I hadn't grown sclerotia producing species on  brf cakes.  Rye berries always seems to give the most product.
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Re: ATL #7 on BRF cakes - pics, questions (Update- pins) [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #11524461 - 11/25/09 06:46 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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But RR defines it dry-to-dry weight: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8969004#8969004





That was a typo/brain fart on my part.  BE is based on dry substrate weight to wet mushroom weight.  I corrected it later in the thread when hippie chick caught my mistake.

Either way, that's nice.  I hadn't grown sclerotia producing species on  brf cakes.  Rye berries always seems to give the most product.
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I was right? Whoa.

Rye doesn't seem to work as well as WBS for me, at least with ATL 7. Dunno why.
But again, this was just to explore the possibility of PF tek, not necessarily looking for a killer new tek.


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