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 Moral Sanity. 
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Does it exist?
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 elementswrath
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what exactly is moral sanity?
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Lakefingers
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Define moral sanity or this is getting tossed as I predict it is going to fall apart quickly.
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meatcakeman
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My Opinion:
The basis of Moral Sanity is the idealistic assumption that Man can revolve his decisions, actions, and beliefs around the socially constructed understanding of morality. Thus, all of Man's endeavors are subject to a certain 'sanity' based on a striving desire to perform morally.
Example:
A man buys organic milk because he believes there to be moral value in going organic since the cows used to produce such milk were not inflicted by additives, such as steroids.
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Noteworthy
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does sanity exist?
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does sanity exist?
IMO, no.
That's why I am here to debate this.
Do you believe sanity exists?
EDIT: Let me expand on that. I do not believe PURE sanity to exist. I do not believe EVERYONE is purely sane. I believe everyone has at least a smidgen of insanity within themselves.
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its all relative 
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elementswrath
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sanity is opinion.
same with morals.
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meatcakeman
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Noteworthy said:
its all relative
Indeed it is.
But, if sanity doesn't exist, then why do we prescribe drugs to patients, thinking it will bring them sanity? What is psychology? Why does psychology exist?
Regardless, I'm asking about whether or not 'moral sanity' exists.
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meatcakeman
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elementswrath said:
sanity is opinion.
same with morals.
Yes. Then, why do people get offended? Why do people get angry? Why are people kind? Why are people rude?
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psychology is a tool to understand the mind and to change it.
morality is half of this, to change the mind.
drugs bring balance to the brains function and chemicals to what they see fit (psychologist).
other drugs do the opposite (the ones that are illegal mostly)
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meatcakeman said:
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elementswrath said:
sanity is opinion.
same with morals.
Yes. Then, why do people get offended? Why do people get angry? Why are people kind? Why are people rude?
depending on the environment,customs and communication.
it's all a different balance to what people find offensive, what gets them angry, why they are kind and why they are rude.
this, is also a part of morality.
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Re: Moral Sanity. *DELETED* [Re: meatcakeman]
#11490661 - 11/20/09 02:13 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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elementswrath
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The illusion of choice, even superseding a socially founded lifeworld of man, seems necessary. Whether it's true or not... I lean more towards pragmatically accepting this illusion but also understanding the constructivistic aspects to our behavior and habits, which might seem like choices when they are not. And in this sense sanity seems rather irrelevant other than as a historical practice or as a way of punishing others and putting oneself or group on morally/power-giving high ground.
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meatcakeman
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Quote:
elementswrath said:
psychology is a tool to understand the mind and to change it.
morality is half of this, to change the mind.
drugs bring balance to the brains function and chemicals to what they see fit (psychologist).
other drugs do the opposite (the ones that are illegal mostly)
I really don't want to keep going off topic, but I'll reply to this.
Psychology's usefulness is no mystery to me. I've taken Psych classes and pretty much understand the gist of its functionality. But, the basis of psychology is what unnerves me. Psychology is based on the assumption that a suggestively normal human brain/psyche/identity concatenation exists.
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meatcakeman said:
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elementswrath said:
psychology is a tool to understand the mind and to change it.
morality is half of this, to change the mind.
drugs bring balance to the brains function and chemicals to what they see fit (psychologist).
other drugs do the opposite (the ones that are illegal mostly)
I really don't want to keep going off topic, but I'll reply to this.
Psychology's usefulness is no mystery to me. I've taken Psych classes and pretty much understand the gist of its functionality. But, the basis of psychology is what unnerves me. Psychology is based on the assumption that a suggestively normal human brain/psyche/identity concatenation exists.
okay, i was just wondering why you asked "why does psychologist exist?".
typically, normal is similarity.
so if something is not similar to a typical object or function it is not normal.
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Lakefingers said:
The illusion of choice, even superseding a socially founded lifeworld of man, seems necessary. Whether it's true or not... I lean more towards pragmatically accepting this illusion but also understanding the constructivistic aspects to our behavior and habits, which might seem like choices when they are not. And in this sense sanity seems rather irrelevant other than as a historical practice or as a way of punishing others and putting oneself or group on morally/power-giving high ground.
EXACTLY!
Sanity is an asymptote while Morality is X and we are Y.
Yes, playing along with this illusion is key, especially whilst living in contemporary society. But why does such an illusion exist? Is it to keep the weak-minded occupied, content, and seemingly purposeful?
If we are not subject to morality, rather, morality is subject to us, then what is it? Is it basically the norm of what is considered socially acceptable? And as society progresses, how shall morality?
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RationalEgo
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Quote:
Lakefingers said:
The illusion of choice, even superseding a socially founded lifeworld of man, seems necessary. Whether it's true or not... I lean more towards pragmatically accepting this illusion but also understanding the constructivistic aspects to our behavior and habits, which might seem like choices when they are not. And in this sense sanity seems rather irrelevant other than as a historical practice or as a way of punishing others and putting oneself or group on morally/power-giving high ground.
Can you explain more why you think choice is illusory?
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meatcakeman
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elementswrath said:
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meatcakeman said:
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elementswrath said:
psychology is a tool to understand the mind and to change it.
morality is half of this, to change the mind.
drugs bring balance to the brains function and chemicals to what they see fit (psychologist).
other drugs do the opposite (the ones that are illegal mostly)
I really don't want to keep going off topic, but I'll reply to this.
Psychology's usefulness is no mystery to me. I've taken Psych classes and pretty much understand the gist of its functionality. But, the basis of psychology is what unnerves me. Psychology is based on the assumption that a suggestively normal human brain/psyche/identity concatenation exists.
okay, i was just wondering why you asked "why does psychologist exist?".
typically, normal is similarity.
so if something is not similar to a typical object or function it is not normal.
Basing a whole science off of what is 'typical' is foolish, imo. Firstly, it becomes nothing more than an educated assumption, rather than scientific fact. And what model of normality do they use? George W. Bush? Obama? What certain individual is considered the 'normal human being'? Someone who can think for themselves, or someone who can be utilized by society?
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RationalEgo
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I don't think 'moral sanity' exists simply becuase 'sanity' pertains to ones psychological state and 'morality' pertains to the right and wrong of ones actual actions.
If one is completely 'insane' (mind disconnected from reality) then one is not even aware of ones actions and consequences and therefore cannot be held completely accountable for being able to judge the 'right' and the 'wrong' in ones actions.
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