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i might as well be doing microscopy if my fruits are going to be microscopic!
    #11478487 - 11/18/09 01:08 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

second batch of some TC BRF cakes crumbled and cased. MS innoc from a non-vendor syringe (erm.. noob mistake :rockon:) anyways, give me some ideas on what usually causes tiny fruits. genetics, conditions, ect.


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Re: i might as well be doing microscopy if my fruits are going to be microscopic! [Re: rsinatra13]
    #11478504 - 11/18/09 01:12 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

lack of FAE will give small shrooms but so will low humidity while fruiting.


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Re: i might as well be doing microscopy if my fruits are going to be microscopic! [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11478548 - 11/18/09 01:19 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

could to much FAE cause it?


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Re: i might as well be doing microscopy if my fruits are going to be microscopic! [Re: rsinatra13]
    #11478557 - 11/18/09 01:21 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

if it lowers your humidity to much yes.:stoned:


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Re: i might as well be doing microscopy if my fruits are going to be microscopic! [Re: rsinatra13]
    #11478559 - 11/18/09 01:21 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

its mostly genetic.
but dont crumble and case pf cakes unless you are going to use like 10 of them. otherwise your results will most likely be worse than if you had just left them as cakes.


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Re: i might as well be doing microscopy if my fruits are going to be microscopic! [Re: prismism]
    #11478715 - 11/18/09 01:45 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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its mostly genetic.
but dont crumble and case pf cakes unless you are going to use like 10 of them. otherwise your results will most likely be worse than if you had just left them as cakes.



Is that really true, cause I have 12 jars almost done and was planning to spawn it to something. You think thats a bad idea?

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Re: i might as well be doing microscopy if my fruits are going to be microscopic! [Re: dman080]
    #11478724 - 11/18/09 01:47 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Definitely spawn the cakes. You'll get way more mush. He's just talking about a simple casing, although I don't agree that you should do at least 10 cakes. 5 would be fine.

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Re: i might as well be doing microscopy if my fruits are going to be microscopic! [Re: m00nshine]
    #11478749 - 11/18/09 01:52 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Definitely spawn the cakes. You'll get way more mush. He's just talking about a simple casing, although I don't agree that you should do at least 10 cakes. 5 would be fine.

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Oh ok i see what he ment I just read that wrong. YeaH i HAVE  store bought dehydrated manure and humas. I know this isnt preferable, so Im trying to get real horse shit from a farm. but no luck yet. Not that many farms bye me...

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Re: i might as well be doing microscopy if my fruits are going to be microscopic! [Re: dman080]
    #11478772 - 11/18/09 01:56 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Have you used it before? This is what it'll give you:



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Re: i might as well be doing microscopy if my fruits are going to be microscopic! [Re: m00nshine]
    #11478787 - 11/18/09 02:01 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

just keep your spawn/substrate ratios around 1:4 if not higher around 1:2


for every 1/2 pint use a pint of your manure substrate.    thats 1:2 ratio. :super:

cakes are used for spawn just fine.  its just when some people crumble and case with verm only they get poor results cuz they dont give their myc enough food to recolonize and fruit.


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Re: i might as well be doing microscopy if my fruits are going to be microscopic! [Re: m00nshine]
    #11478792 - 11/18/09 02:03 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

No This is actually my first grow but Im doing prety well with all the information and decided to take it to the next level. at least with half of the jars. so I can only hope its good poo. Those are the same trays I have, and I used masking tap to cover the sides as well. Those pics look really good by the way,Very inspiring......:mushroom2::mushroom2:

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Re: i might as well be doing microscopy if my fruits are going to be microscopic! [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11478811 - 11/18/09 02:07 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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just keep your spawn/substrate ratios around 1:4 if not higher around 1:2


for every 1/2 pint use a pint of your manure substrate.    thats 1:2 ratio. :super:

cakes are used for spawn just fine.  its just when some people crumble and case with verm only they get poor results cuz they dont give their myc enough food to recolonize and fruit.



Oh ok thanks for that a 1 to 2 ratio.Yeah The tek that stood out to me the best was Roadkills Poo tek. Its seems prety easy . My only concern is the Lowes Manure humas mash up I bought. Im trying to get straight dehydrated Horse poo, looking for farms or something with horses. But if not Ill give the Lowes poo a shot...

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Re: i might as well be doing microscopy if my fruits are going to be microscopic! [Re: dman080]
    #11478823 - 11/18/09 02:10 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I used a 1:3 ratio and am about to start doing 1:4 to get more bang out of my cakes. :yesnod:

Check out my TEK for a really easy way :super:


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Re: i might as well be doing microscopy if my fruits are going to be microscopic! [Re: m00nshine]
    #11478883 - 11/18/09 02:19 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

The biggest cause of tiny fruits is either too much substrate moisture, or too little. Fruits from a waterlogged cake will look similar(tiny) to fruits from a very dry cake. If your moisture content is somewhere in the middle, fruits develop normally, provided your other conditions of lighting, fresh air, etc., are correct.
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Re: i might as well be doing microscopy if my fruits are going to be microscopic! [Re: m00nshine]
    #11478944 - 11/18/09 02:28 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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I used a 1:3 ratio and am about to start doing 1:4 to get more bang out of my cakes. :yesnod:

Check out my TEK for a really easy way :super:



Ok wiil do. Thanks again for the pointers. much appreciated...

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Re: i might as well be doing microscopy if my fruits are going to be microscopic! [Re: dman080]
    #11479012 - 11/18/09 02:40 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I had stunted fruits on my first gorw, and I attribute that to lack of substrate moisture, like RR said. Not knowing the proper amount of moisture is a common noob mistake.

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Re: i might as well be doing microscopy if my fruits are going to be microscopic! [Re: ylibniquah]
    #11479051 - 11/18/09 02:47 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Hmmmm... I wonder if its likely to get too much cake moisture by misting too often?  Now I'm wondering about my moisture levels.


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Re: i might as well be doing microscopy if my fruits are going to be microscopic! [Re: rsinatra13]
    #11479118 - 11/18/09 02:59 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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second batch of some TC BRF cakes crumbled and cased. MS innoc from a non-vendor syringe (erm.. noob mistake :rockon:) anyways, give me some ideas on what usually causes tiny fruits. genetics, conditions, ect.




STOP crumbling the cakes. only do if you are spawning. you loose nutrients then smaller fruits.


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Re: i might as well be doing microscopy if my fruits are going to be microscopic! [Re: feelfunny]
    #11480785 - 11/18/09 06:40 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

would spawning cakes to CCV be efficient?


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Re: i might as well be doing microscopy if my fruits are going to be microscopic! [Re: rsinatra13]
    #11481066 - 11/18/09 07:22 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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would spawning cakes to CCV be efficient?




B.I.N.G.O.  IMO thats the best/easiest to spawn cakes to. :super:


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Re: i might as well be doing microscopy if my fruits are going to be microscopic! [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11481712 - 11/18/09 08:42 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

well i guess that'll be next. im guessing these tiny fruits are a combintion of bad genetics/weak myc(non sponsor :thumbdown:) and too much misting resulting in waterlogged casings.


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