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Has America won any wars?
    #11477396 - 11/18/09 09:20 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Im not big on history,  but it doesn't seem like we've had much success in the last couple wars.


why does America think we are this big bad ass country?

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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: subiedude]
    #11477405 - 11/18/09 09:21 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Because the USA has been the only country to use nuclear weapons


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: kanglow]
    #11477413 - 11/18/09 09:25 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

what are some wars we've won on our own? i'm curious:mushroom2:

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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: kanglow]
    #11477418 - 11/18/09 09:26 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Because the USA has been the only country to use nuclear weapons





isn't that like kicking someone in the balls? it's feared yes, but what a pussy way to fight:shrug:

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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: subiedude]
    #11477423 - 11/18/09 09:28 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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why does America think we are this big bad ass country?




a mixture of yankee pride and recently, nukes.

i like belonging to a megalomaniacal country.


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: subiedude]
    #11477424 - 11/18/09 09:28 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

revolutionary war, mexican american war, the civil war, spanish american war, WWI WWII, Gulf War I.


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: Taco Chef]
    #11477454 - 11/18/09 09:37 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: Taco Chef]
    #11477461 - 11/18/09 09:39 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Well they didn't single handedly win WW2, they had a lot of help.


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: subiedude]
    #11477467 - 11/18/09 09:41 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

civil war

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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: AmericanPsycho]
    #11477471 - 11/18/09 09:42 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Well they didn't single handedly win WW2, they had a lot of help.




I'll agree with Europe, but they won the Pacific mostly by themselves.


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: Rocker232]
    #11477474 - 11/18/09 09:42 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Well they didn't single handedly win WW2, they had a lot of help.




I'll agree with Europe, but they won the Pacific mostly by themselves.




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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: NastyDHL]
    #11477479 - 11/18/09 09:44 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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civil war




we where a country fighting ourselves: i would argue that nobody won. it certainly helped to settle some differences, but also left a cultural rift that hasn't healed yet.


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: canid]
    #11477515 - 11/18/09 09:56 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

nah.  the union definitely won.  the confederate gov't was dismantled.  they signed concession and everything.  just because shit remained fucked up after the war doesn't change the fact that there was a clear and official winner.

besides, the regional cultural rift you speak of is hardly significant compared to all the other conflicts abound.


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: canid]
    #11477524 - 11/18/09 09:59 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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civil war




we where a country fighting ourselves: i would argue that nobody won. it certainly helped to settle some differences, but also left a cultural rift that hasn't healed yet.




the north won!


but brothers killing brothers is a war no one wins.


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: igwna]
    #11477531 - 11/18/09 10:01 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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civil war




we where a country fighting ourselves: i would argue that nobody won. it certainly helped to settle some differences, but also left a cultural rift that hasn't healed yet.




the north won!


but brothers killing brothers is a war no one wins.




The south deserved to get decimated and they did.


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #11477534 - 11/18/09 10:01 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

we where two governments, one not even well established trying to operate in the same nation of the same peoples.

that's why it's called a civil war, and not a war between two nations.

is this largely subjective oppinion? sure, but i'm going with it.


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: subiedude]
    #11477651 - 11/18/09 10:24 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Im not big on history,  but it doesn't seem like we've had much success in the last couple wars.


why does America think we are this big bad ass country?




Well, because America kinda IS a big badass country. At least for the moment. At this point, the empire has kinda had its run, but until relatively recently, America has had the best trained, best equipped military, dominated the world economically, and had healthy foreign relations. After the fall of the Soviet Union, the United States became more or less the last remaining super power, so we pretty much dominated the scene.


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: LSDreamer]
    #11477685 - 11/18/09 10:30 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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At this point, the empire has kinda had its run, but until relatively recently, America has had the best trained, best equipped military, dominated the world economically, and had healthy foreign relations. After the fall of the Soviet Union, the United States became more or less the last remaining super power, so we pretty much dominated the scene.




So then what happens next?


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: AmericanPsycho]
    #11477689 - 11/18/09 10:31 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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At this point, the empire has kinda had its run, but until relatively recently, America has had the best trained, best equipped military, dominated the world economically, and had healthy foreign relations. After the fall of the Soviet Union, the United States became more or less the last remaining super power, so we pretty much dominated the scene.




So then what happens next?




The empire falls, just as all empires fall, and a new one rises. Not really a bad thing, it just means we won't be at the top of the game anymore.


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: AmericanPsycho]
    #11477691 - 11/18/09 10:32 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Well they didn't single handedly win WW2, they had a lot of help.




very true; the soviets did as much as the americans to defeat the nazis.


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: Taco Chef]
    #11477697 - 11/18/09 10:33 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

more, if you count things in terms of bloodloss.


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: LSDreamer]
    #11477713 - 11/18/09 10:36 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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At this point, the empire has kinda had its run, but until relatively recently, America has had the best trained, best equipped military, dominated the world economically, and had healthy foreign relations. After the fall of the Soviet Union, the United States became more or less the last remaining super power, so we pretty much dominated the scene.




So then what happens next?




The empire falls, just as all empires fall, and a new one rises. Not really a bad thing, it just means we won't be at the top of the game anymore.




But which one will rise to the top?  I meant more specifically what do you think will eventually happen to this country and others?


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: subiedude]
    #11477730 - 11/18/09 10:39 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Didn't you guys take Texas from the Mexicans?

Not to mention your brave battles against the overwhelming force of the mighty armies of Grenada and Panama.

And didn't Ronald Reagan walk into the Kremlin, taking the entire Politbureau into custody armed only with a blunt pencil thereby  single handedly ending the cold war?

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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: AmericanPsycho]
    #11477735 - 11/18/09 10:40 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

an about face reformation, a change in governmental structure or a continued progression in the direction we are going now [i needn't comment there, you already have your own views]


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: canid]
    #11477878 - 11/18/09 11:07 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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more, if you count things in terms of bloodloss.




Well not only blood but the fact that Hitler sent 70-90% of everything he got on the Soviet.

Though US provided vital supplies such as food, trucks and bombers.

US also provided some tanks and canons, but that help was not very useful since they were not very good.

Well what I intended to say is:

Claiming to win a world war if a stupid thing to say. One can say "we were on the winning side", "we contributed greatly to victory", but no country can win a world war singlehandedly.


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: Buben]
    #11477913 - 11/18/09 11:12 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Well what I intended to say is:

Claiming to win a world war if a stupid thing to say. One can say "we were on the winning side", "we contributed greatly to victory", but no country can win a world war singlehandedly.




that's similar to my postion on civil wars. i suppose you could similarly extend it to war even more generally, but that would be getting hippyish of me, and people hate it when i do that.

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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: Buben]
    #11477920 - 11/18/09 11:14 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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we where a country fighting ourselves: i would argue that nobody won. it certainly helped to settle some differences, but also left a cultural rift that hasn't healed yet




Of course, America vs America.  America will win, and America will lose.  Civil war doesn't count as a war victory.  Civil rights victory, but not a war victory.

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But which one will rise to the top?  I meant more specifically what do you think will eventually happen to this country and others?




I'd have to say either China or India will soon take our place as the leading superpower.

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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: canid]
    #11477929 - 11/18/09 11:15 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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i suppose you could similarly extend it to war even more generally, but that would be getting hippyish of me, and people hate it when i do that.





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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: AmericanPsycho]
    #11477935 - 11/18/09 11:16 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

haha.


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: canid]
    #11478047 - 11/18/09 11:40 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Not being the dominant superpower will be good for us. We've become complacent. It took the cold war to get to the moon...

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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: Taco Chef]
    #11478834 - 11/18/09 02:11 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Well they didn't single handedly win WW2, they had a lot of help.




very true; the soviets did as much as the americans to defeat the nazis.




Defeat the nazis yes but not WW2 which was the war. Russia could have never stopped Japan. Im not talking about nukes either.They could not project power in the area of the world like the US could.

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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: buckwheat]
    #11478849 - 11/18/09 02:14 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Well they didn't single handedly win WW2, they had a lot of help.




very true; the soviets did as much as the americans to defeat the nazis.



lol yeah and then the soviets wanted to keep part of Germany for themselves and then promised to help us with japan. And then never did. And then Cold war!


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: Triptonic]
    #11478869 - 11/18/09 02:16 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I would say that China is the next world power, but at the rate they're polluting, they're all going to die of cancer first.


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    #11478877 - 11/18/09 02:18 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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I would say that China is the next world power, but at the rate they're polluting, they're all going to die of cancer first.




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    #11478886 - 11/18/09 02:19 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

lol ya or any disease, because it would spread so quickly.


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: Rocker232]
    #11478898 - 11/18/09 02:21 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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civil war




we where a country fighting ourselves: i would argue that nobody won. it certainly helped to settle some differences, but also left a cultural rift that hasn't healed yet.



:thumbup:

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civil war




we where a country fighting ourselves: i would argue that nobody won. it certainly helped to settle some differences, but also left a cultural rift that hasn't healed yet.




the north won!


but brothers killing brothers is a war no one wins.




The south deserved to get decimated and they did.




:thumbdown:

No one deserves to have their homes burnt, children murdered and culture extinguished.


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: subiedude]
    #11479025 - 11/18/09 02:42 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Has America won any wars?



The war in the Pacific was won almost entirely by US forces, with some small help from the Russians, the Chinese and the British Empire.  The US also definitively won the Cold War.

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I would say that China is the next world power



China is strong because they depend on the US being strong..  especially economically.  Without the US to trade with, and collect interest from China becomes a third world country again overnight.

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No one deserves to have their homes burnt, children murdered and culture extinguished.



Unless they enslave millions of people (literally.. with chains) for their own personal good and start a war that kills hundreds of thousands of people to defend their corrupt regime of subjugation.  Then, yes, they deserved what they got.


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: LSDreamer]
    #11479031 - 11/18/09 02:43 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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I would say that China is the next world power, but at the rate they're polluting, they're all going to die of cancer first.




Yeah they're on the way, thing is though China's economy is so dependent on America's economy that their success is reliant at least in part on our success.  For the foreseeable future I think America will be a superpower, though not necessarily the leading superpower like we have been. America, China, the EU, and India are the four major candidates I see at the moment to lead the world through the next century.


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: thedefone]
    #11479080 - 11/18/09 02:54 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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China is strong because they depend on the US being strong..  especially economically.  Without the US to trade with, and collect interest from China becomes a third world country again overnight.




Damn, that's a really good point.  I figured they would still gain a good amount of profit from the rest of the world though?


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: canid]
    #11479106 - 11/18/09 02:58 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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civil war




we where a country fighting ourselves: i would argue that nobody won. it certainly helped to settle some differences, but also left a cultural rift that hasn't healed yet.





That's because kids in those culture cling to their parents ideals because their parents force that hatred upon them.  :P  It's been over 150 years, if they cant' get over it, they're the ones with the problem.

I can't believe there's the new KKK and new Black Panthers.  Christ almighty I'm glad I'm westcoast.

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    #11479139 - 11/18/09 03:02 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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I would say that China is the next world power, but at the rate they're polluting, they're all going to die of cancer first.



China is def the next world power.  The trick is to see if they can assume the position of superpower without imploding first.  Not fiscally - as far as their economy is concerned, they have massive potential.  But socio-politically, it's a powderkeg.

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    #11479141 - 11/18/09 03:03 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

you mean where we have all the Aryan groups?


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    #11479157 - 11/18/09 03:05 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

It would be sweet if China became a world power and they had their version of the 60's over there and all started dropping acid.


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There are aryan and the opposite groups that hate white people too.  Just the serious racism.  I mean there's a difference between making a joke to your friends and holding protests about how terrible a race is.

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It would be sweet if China became a world power and they had their version of the 60's over there and all started dropping acid.



Yeah it probably wouldn't just happen like it did here.  Lol its been a few decades 'n shit.

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It would be sweet if China became a world power and they had their version of the 60's over there and all started dropping acid.




LOL wtf rofl :rofl::lolz0rz::lmafo::lol:

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the US of A kicked them spic asses in vee-at-nam!






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There are aryan and the opposite groups that hate white people too.  Just the serious racism.  I mean there's a difference between making a joke to your friends and holding protests about how terrible a race is.




that's what i mean; the west coast has such groups too, and isn't magically better than the south. unless i misunderstood you.


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    #11479267 - 11/18/09 03:23 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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revolutionary war, mexican american war, the civil war, spanish american war, WWI WWII, Gulf War I.




Don't forget Grenada.  We conquered that bitch island.

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    #11479283 - 11/18/09 03:26 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

America became a superpower largely through being by far the strongest economic and the most technologically advanced nation in the world. Also, the quagmires of iraq, vietnam, and afghanistan are no true indication of the military power of the US, in a full scale war the US would kick the ass of any other nation, that may well change in the next 20-50 years but it is still the case.


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    #11479297 - 11/18/09 03:28 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Ironically, the number one threat to the stability of the country are the upkeep costs of maintaining such a large defense industry.


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    #11479320 - 11/18/09 03:32 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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but brothers killing brothers is a war no one wins.



but that's what all wars are, essentially. brothers fighting brothers.
we're all humans. we're all self-questioning sentient beings.
I'd think that would count more towards our brotherhood than where we live.


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    #11479322 - 11/18/09 03:33 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Well they didn't single handedly win WW2, they had a lot of help.




very true; the soviets did as much as the americans to defeat the nazis.




Defeat the nazis yes but not WW2 which was the war. Russia could have never stopped Japan. Im not talking about nukes either.They could not project power in the area of the world like the US could.




In 1941, the Imperial Japanese Army had 51 divisions and various special-purpose artillery, cavalry, anti-aircraft and armored units with a total of 1,700,000 men. At the beginning of the Second World War most of the Japanese Army was stationed in China. However, from 1942 soldiers were sent to Hong Kong (23rd Army), the Philippines (14th Army), Thailand (15th Army), Burma (15th Army), Dutch East Indies (16th Army) and Malaya (25th Army). By 1945, there were 5.5 million men in the Imperial Japanese Army.

The total number of soldiers who served in the Wehrmacht during its existence from 1935 until 1945 is believed to approach 18.2 million.

Draw your conclusion.
Yes I can agree that Soviet could never take both, but claim of victory in ww2 by US is ridiculous.

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lol yeah and then the soviets wanted to keep part of Germany for themselves and then promised to help us with japan. And then never did. And then Cold war!




Soviet had probably right to claim whole Germany since they were the first to raise their flag over the parliament, guess allies got the half as thanks for the help.

"The Battle of Khalkhyn Gol should not be confused with the conflict in 1945 when the Soviet Union declared war on Japan in support of the other Allies of World War II and launched its invasion of Manchuria."
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    #11479335 - 11/18/09 03:36 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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I'd think that would count more towards our brotherhood than where we live.




i'd think so too, if observation didn't show me otherwise.

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but that's what all wars are, essentially. brothers fighting brothers.
we're all humans. we're all self-questioning sentient beings.




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    #11479345 - 11/18/09 03:37 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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the north won!


but brothers killing brothers is a war no one wins.






The south deserved to get decimated and they did.








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    #11479368 - 11/18/09 03:41 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)



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the north won!


but brothers killing brothers is a war no one wins.






The south deserved to get decimated and they did.








wow!

:facepalm:




Yeah really.  The South didn't deserve to get decimated, they had differences of opinions on several issues.  But that doesn't mean they should be wiped out or destroyed.  The North and the South were practically two separate countries back then anyway.  The South was fed up with the politics of DC and wanted to establish its own gov't b/c they were essentially being treated the same way the colonies were being treated by the British.  The whole "free the slaves" propaganda is completely bogus.  The North didn't really give a shit about the slaves, they just didn't want to lose the resources and tax revenues from the South. 

Some others I didn't see mentioned, War of 1812, Mexican-American War, Korean War, and a bunch of small American-Indian Wars.

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    #11479557 - 11/18/09 04:02 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

what war has America won?


why, the war on drugs of course!


now we can walk the streets with confidence, knowing that we will never have to throw rocks at those damn marijuana cigarette smokers! what a joy! and to think that it only cost us a few billion in a year. a cheap price to pay, in order to keep America free!




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Well they didn't single handedly win WW2, they had a lot of help.




very true; the soviets did as much as the americans to defeat the nazis.




Defeat the nazis yes but not WW2 which was the war. Russia could have never stopped Japan. Im not talking about nukes either.They could not project power in the area of the world like the US could.




In 1941, the Imperial Japanese Army had 51 divisions and various special-purpose artillery, cavalry, anti-aircraft and armored units with a total of 1,700,000 men. At the beginning of the Second World War most of the Japanese Army was stationed in China. However, from 1942 soldiers were sent to Hong Kong (23rd Army), the Philippines (14th Army), Thailand (15th Army), Burma (15th Army), Dutch East Indies (16th Army) and Malaya (25th Army). By 1945, there were 5.5 million men in the Imperial Japanese Army.

The total number of soldiers who served in the Wehrmacht during its existence from 1935 until 1945 is believed to approach 18.2 million.

Draw your conclusion.
Yes I can agree that Soviet could never take both, but claim of victory in ww2 by US is ridiculous.






I think you don't know what projecting power means. Numbers don't mean anything if they can't get the boots on the ground.

edit i think i misread your post. Are you suggesting that because the Japanese where smaller they where less of a threat? Thats ridiculous.

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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: buckwheat]
    #11479724 - 11/18/09 04:21 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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I think you don't know what projecting power means. Numbers don't mean anything if they can't get the boots on the ground.

edit i think i misread your post. Are you suggesting that because the Japanese where smaller they where less of a threat? Thats ridiculous.




Soviet navy ww2:
3 battleships
7 cruisers (including 4 modern Kirov-class cruisers)
59 destroyer-leaders and squadron-destroyers (including 46 modern Type 7 destroyers and Type 7U destroyers)
218 submarines
269 torpedo boats
22 patrol vessels
88 minesweepers
77 submarine hunters and a range of other smaller vessels

US navy ww2
8 battleships,
8 cruisers,
30 destroyers,
4 submarines,
49 other ships,[1]

Japan navy ww2
6 aircraft carriers,
2 battleships,
2 heavy cruisers,
1 light cruiser,
9 destroyers,
8 tankers,
23 fleet submarines,
5 midget submarines,

Who had best chance to put boots on Japanese grounds, based on numbers....

I don't understand what your claims are based on....

I claim that they were no harder then Nazi Germany,  German force was not only larger but also famous for its modern equipment and strategies.

I claim that US claims of victory in ww2 is nothing more then cold war propaganda!

EDIT: US and Japanese numbers are probably for pearl harbor only or something, idk, seems its hard to find total numbers...


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There are aryan and the opposite groups that hate white people too.  Just the serious racism.  I mean there's a difference between making a joke to your friends and holding protests about how terrible a race is.




that's what i mean; the west coast has such groups too, and isn't magically better than the south. unless i misunderstood you.





True, the pacific northwest is nice though.  :3

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    #11480039 - 11/18/09 05:02 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I think In terms of the cold war they might have got us beat.

Considering there national debit is the lowest of all G20 countries.  The end of the USSR was a great was to get rid of debit and keep what you lent against.

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I think you don't know what projecting power means. Numbers don't mean anything if they can't get the boots on the ground.

edit i think i misread your post. Are you suggesting that because the Japanese where smaller they where less of a threat? Thats ridiculous.




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USA national debit is around 11.4 Trillion



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USA national debit is around 11.4 Trillion



Yeah, but who's going to actually call us on it. :guns:




Lol, come and get your money China.  I've always said we're banking on WWIII as opposed to actually paying the debt.


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I think you don't know what projecting power means. Numbers don't mean anything if they can't get the boots on the ground.

edit i think i misread your post. Are you suggesting that because the Japanese where smaller they where less of a threat? Thats ridiculous.




And don't forget "force multiplier."  Numbers mean shit.




"Power projection (or force projection) is a term used primarily in American military and political science to refer to the capacity of a state to conduct expeditionary warfare"

Hence I was not familiar with the term, no, though Russia and Japan was fighting a war prior to ww2, from that your "power projection" seems valid, though history shows that Soviet could "project" when they had to...

Claiming that numbers don't matter is in such a messy war is strange statement, history shows proof that numbers did matter, one example, Soviet had fast production of T34 tanks, but those tanks had problems killing German Tigers on long range, but since they had so many, they simply could afford to crash them into Tigers, or send many vs 1 Tiger so that at least one could come close enough to kill it. e.t.c. US did the same thing with their Sherman against Tiger.

Looking up force multiplier, Germany during ww2 is used as an example, hence even though your claim is valid, it does not help you.

Stop clinging to your myths, admit that "we won ww2" is just a PR trick, and face the enormous team effort that was required to pull it of.


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USA national debit is around 11.4 Trillion



Yeah, but who's going to actually call us on it. :guns:




Lol, come and get your money China.  I've always said we're banking on WWIII as opposed to actually paying the debt.





Thatd be a pretty tits way to settle it. Let's do it.

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As long as we are on the subject From today


World’s first anti-ship ballistic missile could prevent US from protecting Taiwan

By Jack BremerFIRST POSTED NOVEMBER 18, 2009Internet censorship came up, as did global warming and trade sanctions. But one subject that was not raised – publicly at least – before US President Barack Obama left Beijing for South Korea today was China's apparent attempt to scare the US Navy out of the western Pacific Ocean.

According to a Bloomberg report published yesterday, US Naval Intelligence has established that China's development of the world's first anti-ship missile, long mooted, is nearing readiness.

With a range of nearly 900 miles, and capable of being fired from mobile land-based launchers, the missile is "specifically designed to defeat US carrier strike groups" by destroying aircraft on the carrier's deck and control towers.

Coupled with a new 'over-the-horizon' radar system the Chinese are also developing, the threat of the missile could make the South China Sea a no-go zone for the US Navy - with potentially dramatic consequences.

The US currently keeps five aircraft carriers based in the Pacific and their mission includes the defence of Taiwan in the event of a Chinese attack on what Beijing sees as a breakaway province.

It is understood the Chinese began developing the anti-ship missile immediately after the Taiwan crisis in March 1996 when Bill Clinton sent two aircraft carriers and escort warships into the Taiwan Strait area after China fired missiles near the island before its presidential election.


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"Power projection (or force projection) is a term used primarily in American military and political science to refer to the capacity of a state to conduct expeditionary warfare"

Hence I was not familiar with the term, no, though Russia and Japan was fighting a war prior to ww2, from that your "power projection" seems valid, though history shows that Soviet could "project" when they had to...

Claiming that numbers don't matter is in such a messy war is strange statement, history shows proof that numbers did matter, one example, Soviet had fast production of T34 tanks, but those tanks had problems killing German Tigers on long range, but since they had so many, they simply could afford to crash them into Tigers, or send many vs 1 Tiger so that at least one could come close enough to kill it. e.t.c. US did the same thing with their Sherman against Tiger.

Looking up force multiplier, Germany during ww2 is used as an example, hence even though your claim is valid, it does not help you.

Stop clinging to your myths, admit that "we won ww2" is just a PR trick, and face the enormous team effort that was required to pull it of.




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    #11480594 - 11/18/09 06:16 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Here is the link if you want to read the whole story...


http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/56272,news-comment,news-politics,chinese-missile-threatens-us-navys-pacific-fleet




All that means is we're going to need more escort ships with SAMs, possibly higher tech SAMs than those in existence.

China is still a good 15 years away from having the air power to mount an effective raid, their navy is non-existent, and has about 1/20th the sea lift capability necessary to mount a large enough beach invasion.  The only thing they have going for them is their missile corp, which consists of a SHITLOAD of cruise missiles on the coast aimed at the island.


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USA national debit is around 11.4 Trillion



Yeah, but who's going to actually call us on it. :guns:




Lol, come and get your money China.  I've always said we're banking on WWIII as opposed to actually paying the debt.




If China actually called us on the debt it would tank their entire economic system because of the inflation plus the damage to the us economy which they're already dependent on.  We're locked in an international dance of bad credit lol.


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USA national debit is around 11.4 Trillion



Yeah, but who's going to actually call us on it. :guns:




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but brothers killing brothers is a war no one wins.



but that's what all wars are, essentially. brothers fighting brothers.
we're all humans. we're all self-questioning sentient beings.
I'd think that would count more towards our brotherhood than where we live.




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Im not big on history,  but it doesn't seem like we've had much success in the last couple wars.


why does America think we are this big bad ass country?



Well, we have one of the most technologically advances and like the sixth largest total military in the world. I'd wager we could beat any country in a non-occupation war, the EU only with a draft.

We won in WWI and II, saved that ayahuasca illegalizing piece of shit France


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The US wouldn't even exist without France. :cheers:


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The US wouldn't even exist without FranceEngland. :cheers:



The new world was discovered by the ENGLISH. We'd be way differant without themthough. Still, they made aya and all its ingredients illegal, so fuck France and it's delicious food, beautiful people, and rich history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_troops

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The US wouldn't even exist without FranceEngland. :cheers:



The new world was discovered by the ENGLISH. We'd be way differant without themthough. Still, they made aya and all its ingredients illegal, so fuck France and it's delicious food, beautiful people, and rich history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_troops

We are 8th total.





I think hes referring to the french helping us win that little war...what was it called... O yeah the American Revolution .


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Yeah, along with the Spanish, helping box Cornwallis in like they did. Another place with yummy food
I have to correct some history. They, the French, helped, but the English gave up. They still had a great amount of resources and soldiers. We got lucky George III was a crazy fuck, and we had more fortitude.


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WTF...England definitely didn't discover the "new world". What kind of crack were you smoking in middle school history class? :lol:


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WTF...England definitely didn't discover the "new world". What kind of crack were you smoking in middle school history class? :lol:



If you came across the Bering ice bridge, you don't count, then you are just a native.
It's like, rule three in the "Wonder Bread" hand book.

Though I did read there has been evidence that the Inca I believe it was didn't come from this north-south migration.


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:facepalm:

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My god, my history is so off
I'm sorry, gramps pushed 20'th century history on me(like WWII) like mad
I'm gonna go read up before someone makes a worst post thread for me like the DXM world record guy.
The only thing I really remember is that he had journal entries about taking Hispanolins back as slaves, and a bunch froze on the way back.*goes off to read*


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Thank you. I need to freshen up. I totally forgot Lief Erickson


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: doom876]
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Well recently we hung the leader of Iraq after we forced him into a hole in the ground.


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My god, my history is so off
I'm sorry, gramps pushed 20'th century history on me(like WWII) like mad
I'm gonna go read up before someone makes a worst post thread for me like the DXM world record guy.
The only thing I really remember is that he had journal entries about taking Hispanolins back as slaves, and a bunch froze on the way back.*goes off to read*



History can be incredibly boring, that's why I like to read history books that take a more biographical approach. Check out From these beggingings if you're interested, I had to read it a few years ago for a history class, and it managed to keep from being bored with the subject.

http://www.amazon.com/These-Beginnings-1-8th/dp/0205519717/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1258666082&sr=1-2
Holy fuck, I don't remember it costing that much.

"The American Story" was a really engaging read as well.
http://www.amazon.com/American-Story-Vol-1877/dp/0321091965/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1258666265&sr=1-6


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Well recently we hung the leader of Iraq after we forced him into a hole in the ground.



We didn't hang him, the Iraqi government did that.:snub:




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Well recently we hung the leader of Iraq after we forced him into a hole in the ground.




That wasn't the objective apparently.




The explicit/primary objective was to remove the possibility of Saddam using weapons against the United States. Him being stripped of power assured the primary.


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Well recently we hung the leader of Iraq after we forced him into a hole in the ground.



We didn't hang him, the Iraqi government did that.:snub:




You mean the government that we granted marginal sovereignty after we overthrew the country?



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    #11486021 - 11/19/09 02:50 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Just as Dr. Falken's computer Joshua learned, there is no winning in war.


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Much like sex with relatives, the only way to win is to not play the game.:crazy:

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Im not big on history,  but it doesn't seem like we've had much success in the last couple wars.


why does America think we are this big bad ass country?



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The US wouldn't even exist without FranceEngland. :cheers:



The new world was discovered by the ENGLISH. We'd be way differant without themthough. Still, they made aya and all its ingredients illegal, so fuck France and it's delicious food, beautiful people, and rich history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_troops

We are 8th total.





I think hes referring to the french helping us win that little war...what was it called... O yeah the American Revolution .


France saved our ass.




And we repaid the favor in 1944. Pretty fair deal if you ask me.


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    #11487384 - 11/19/09 05:44 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

americans won the civil war

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    #11487697 - 11/19/09 06:21 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Sure, everyone thinks of them as cheese eating surrender monkeys, but that's just ignorant.

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Sure, everyone thinks of them as cheese eating surrender monkeys, but that's just ignorant.

Ignorant...





This argument is stupid.

The first world war was devastating for the french, the only nation that lost more people was russia, and after the war they were in such a horrible depression that when hitler invaded france there would have been nothing that they could have done.

It would have probably been comparable to polands stand.


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    #11487860 - 11/19/09 06:40 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

What the fuck are you talking about? I never even made an argument.

I said that people think of them as cheese eating surrender monkeys but that's ignorant.

Maybe you should get some glasses or take a class in reading comprehension.

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Maybe you shouldnt get so offended by teh internetz.

I was responding to the FACT that you mentioned that people see the french as "surrender monkeys" and then said it was ignorant in a facetious manner followed by a pic of micheal jackson on south park.


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Ok so maybe it is me that needs some reading comprehension classes.

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    #11488189 - 11/19/09 07:22 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

hahah the OP... jesus dude were you totally unconscious during history classes or ever maybe watch the history channel?

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    #11490123 - 11/19/09 11:51 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Charles de Gaulle class aircraft carrier


One of their older nukes.  Newer ones can be shot from one of these:



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we won the cola wars , that's a war lol

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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: midweststoner]
    #11490787 - 11/20/09 03:00 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

You know what sad you see what these brave soldiers fought for in WWII and what our country is now. With Paris Hilton worship.  men with men women with women.pump your kids full of add meds.Because noone wants to raise there own Kids anymore. Im afraid we are becoming a morally  bankrupt society.Damn Sad

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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: dman080]
    #11490803 - 11/20/09 03:09 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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You know what sad you see what these brave soldiers fought for in WWII and what our country is now. With Paris Hilton worship.  men with men women with women.pump your kids full of add meds.Because noone wants to raise there own Kids anymore. Im afraid we are becoming a morally  bankrupt society.Damn Sad





What American WWII veterans fought for was nothing really that much different than what exists today. America was just as conniving as it is today; just less people were aware of it then.


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: dman080]
    #11490829 - 11/20/09 03:27 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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You know what sad you see what these brave soldiers fought for in WWII and what our country is now. With Paris Hilton worship.  men with men women with women.pump your kids full of add meds.Because noone wants to raise there own Kids anymore. Im afraid we are becoming a morally  bankrupt society.Damn Sad



Wait...what does anyones sexuality have to do with anything?


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #11490838 - 11/20/09 03:31 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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You know what sad you see what these brave soldiers fought for in WWII and what our country is now. With Paris Hilton worship.  men with men women with women.pump your kids full of add meds.Because noone wants to raise there own Kids anymore. Im afraid we are becoming a morally  bankrupt society.Damn Sad



Wait...what does anyones sexuality have to do with anything?





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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: meatcakeman]
    #11491125 - 11/20/09 06:04 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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You know what sad you see what these brave soldiers fought for in WWII and what our country is now. With Paris Hilton worship.  men with men women with women.pump your kids full of add meds.Because noone wants to raise there own Kids anymore. Im afraid we are becoming a morally  bankrupt society.Damn Sad





What American WWII veterans fought for was nothing really that much different than what exists today. America was just as conniving as it is today; just less people were aware of it then.



Yeah I guess . My grandfather fought as a marine in europe, It just seemed like peoples morals and things were beter back then. Just what I see in the world today.

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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: dman080]
    #11491137 - 11/20/09 06:13 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

To blewmeanie Its just what I see in  society. Family ment something back then. sexuality has everything to do with it. If everyone was homosexual. There would be no more people.I  was trying to make a point that we are going in the wrong direction. Everybodys a little to Liberal in MY OPINION . Shoved down your throat in POP culture. Sorry if you dont like MY OPINION.

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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: dman080]
    #11491153 - 11/20/09 06:22 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

dude, do you realize how many people are on this earth?  for all we know, homosexuality could be a population control adaptive mechanism ingrained in humanity.  we don't need everyone reproducing.  hell, i fucking wish 75% of the world would just stop.

btw, you sound like a silly old coot.


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #11491177 - 11/20/09 06:32 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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dude, do you realize how many people are on this earth?  for all we know, homosexuality could be a population control adaptive mechanism ingrained in humanity.  we don't need everyone reproducing.  hell, i fucking wish 75% of the world would just stop.

btw, you sound like a silly old coot.



Ha silly old coot. And wishing 75% of the world would stop sounds intelligent.Come on TINY

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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: dman080]
    #11491222 - 11/20/09 06:44 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

i'm serious.  there are too many fucking people.  too many people fucking. 

we're ruining this place we call home.  there are simply too many people, it's not sustainable.  i personally don't plan on having kids.  i'd feel too goddamn guilty and selfish.

and yes, a silly old coot.  homosexuality has absolutely NOTHING to do with morality.  it does not impair one's ability to be a productive, generous, well-to-do member of society in any way whatsoever.  if you believe otherwise, you are obviously locked in antiquated, obsolete way of thinking.


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #11491242 - 11/20/09 06:49 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

There really aren't too many people on the planet though, just to many people living in an unsustainable way. It'd be unsustainable no matter what the population size.


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #11491258 - 11/20/09 06:54 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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i'm serious.  there are too many fucking people.  too many people fucking. 

we're ruining this place we call home.  there are simply too many people, it's not sustainable.  i personally don't plan on having kids.  i'd feel too goddamn guilty and selfish.

and yes, a silly old coot.  homosexuality has absolutely NOTHING to do with morality.  it does not impair one's ability to be a productive, generous, well-to-do member of society in any way whatsoever.  if you believe otherwise, you are obviously locked in antiquated, obsolete way of thinking.



Well thats my opinion so whatever. And you seem so accepting so accept that not everyone likes that stuff shoved down their throat.  I guess well have to agree to disagree, I dont want to clog this guys thread.so good luck with all that.

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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: dman080]
    #11491266 - 11/20/09 06:56 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

What do you mean by unsustainable? Like alot of the world is impoverished.

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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #11491267 - 11/20/09 06:56 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

that depends entirely on what level of consumption and destruction you consider acceptable.  as well as the distance into the future that you're holding in consideration.


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #11491272 - 11/20/09 06:57 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

We won the cold war


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: DigitalTerror]
    #11491275 - 11/20/09 06:58 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Bottom line is War sucks

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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: dman080]
    #11491282 - 11/20/09 07:00 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

War rocks actually. It establishes a power and a weaker one. It shows people who's in charge just like We the US do time and time again.


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: hidenseek]
    #11491468 - 11/20/09 08:10 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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americans won the civil war




That's what i was about to mention... wait a second, did we win or lose that one? :eek:


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    #11491549 - 11/20/09 08:50 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

in my opinion, its impossible to win a war.


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: cApTaInCrAp]
    #11491571 - 11/20/09 08:55 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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That's what i was about to mention... wait a second, did we win or lose that one? :eek:



The United States of America won, and The Confederate States of America lost.

It's just like the War for Independence. If we had lost that one it would have just been a British civil war/ rebellion.


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #11492143 - 11/20/09 11:25 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

How about this one.

While other imperium lost the war against its own people and fell apart, American imperium is winning/won this war.


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Re: Has America won any wars? [Re: Buben]
    #11492745 - 11/20/09 01:17 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

The French have some decent hardware...  Except the Mirage.  It's kind of a pile compared to current US aircraft (although I'd still take one if it were offered. :biggrin:)  Might be a fair fight against an F-16.

Yes, we're #8 in respect to total troops.  Part of the reason this is the case is because with the use of technology, we need fewer troops on the battlefield to accomplish more.  We can also pull a lot of civilians into military status if needed... check out our number of troops per 1000 in comparison to other countries.

We do seem to have a hint of dangerous arrogance.  Going through the decades thinking we're always going to be #1 is a fallacy.  So is thinking that the freedoms that cost so much in blood to gain are worth giving up for a false sense of security.

If we can somehow elect someone into office that isn't either an idiotic, self-righteous warmonger or a smooth-talker who wishes to dismantle our ability to defend ourselves and our interests, that would be a start.  There has to be someone that understands a balance between the two.

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