Home | Community | Message Board

NorthSpore.com BOOMR Bag!
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds   Myyco.com Isolated Cubensis Liquid Culture For Sale   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Topicals   MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
Offlinebluecurry
Dragons don't
Male User Gallery


Registered: 12/20/08
Posts: 889
Loc: half past purple, between... Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 5 months
Number of chromosomes for Peyote and Trichocereus spp. ?
    #11464078 - 11/15/09 10:40 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I was interested in figuring out the number of chromosomes for both Peyote and Trichocereus pachanoi/peruvianus. I couldn't find any information about it except for mention of some random Trichocereus cacti in a patent which mentioned how the cacti listed were polyploidy and ranged in chromosome count, but nothing definitive.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDoc_T
Random Dude
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/06/09
Posts: 42,395
Loc: Colorado Flag
Re: Number of chromosomes for Peyote and Trichocereus spp. ? [Re: bluecurry]
    #11464097 - 11/15/09 10:42 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

You looking to hybridize? Or just curious? How polyploid are they? Hexaploid?


--------------------
You make it all possible. Doesn't it feel good?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinebluecurry
Dragons don't
Male User Gallery


Registered: 12/20/08
Posts: 889
Loc: half past purple, between... Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 5 months
Re: Number of chromosomes for Peyote and Trichocereus spp. ? [Re: Doc_T]
    #11464445 - 11/15/09 11:42 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Ah I was reading it wrong, Trichocereus spachianus is tetraploid.

Anyway, I'm curious as to the potential for inducing ploidy increase via Colchicine in pachanoi/peruvianus or peyote and grafting on to a fast growing succulent.

I'm having trouble finding out the definite number of chromosomes for either however. It would seem plausible that the Trichocereus spp. would be tetraploid but no information on peyote.

This topic (Colchicine) has been brought up before on this forum and is tossed around periodically on various others. Nothing definite ever comes from these discussions however (as I'm confident the procedure has a high failure rate along with being dangerous), but I wish to investigate further.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCactusdan
Patecatl
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/11/07
Posts: 7,024
Loc: Oregon
Last seen: 3 years, 4 months
Re: Number of chromosomes for Peyote and Trichocereus spp. ? [Re: bluecurry]
    #11464903 - 11/16/09 01:37 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Please do, and share your results.

I have heard the chemicals for producing polys can be quite dangerous indeed.

Also when you say a faster growing succulent, you do of course mean another cactaceae right?

Failure is almost imminent if you try grafting to a non-cacti succulent.


--------------------



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblenaum
 User Gallery


Registered: 10/09/07
Posts: 4,069
Re: Number of chromosomes for Peyote and Trichocereus spp. ? [Re: Cactusdan]
    #11469141 - 11/16/09 06:44 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Colchicine is used as a medicine for a couple of indications but its therapeutic index is quite low. Colchicine poisoning is nasty, there is no antidote, the survival rate is fairly low, and the LD50 is on the 10s of milligrams scale so it proper protective procedures must be carefully followed. Colchicine is fairly hard to get a hold of for a reason!


--------------------
Let's upgrade our security practices and move toward client-side PGP for encrypted PMs.
My Public PGP Key: hxxps://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24002249#24002249

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineHorticulture
Mycocurious
 User Gallery


Registered: 04/30/09
Posts: 1,102
Loc: Midwest
Last seen: 9 years, 2 months
Re: Number of chromosomes for Peyote and Trichocereus spp. ? [Re: naum]
    #11469775 - 11/16/09 08:23 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I feel like Tissue Culture would be your best bet for an experiment like this. Somehow soaking seeds or slathering young plants with a cream made out of this stuff seems like a bad idea in more ways than one.  Tissue Culture would let you absorb a really high failure rate, while giving you absolute control over the chemicals used.


--------------------
The Plant Mage Guild

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePsiloman
member
Male
Registered: 04/11/03
Posts: 1,116
Loc: Europe
Last seen: 10 years, 6 months
Re: Number of chromosomes for Peyote and Trichocereus spp. ? [Re: Horticulture]
    #11472839 - 11/17/09 10:05 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

There are better alternatives than colchicine. Search the forum with "Polyploidy" as a keyword

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAuxin
Stranger

Registered: 09/03/09
Posts: 433
Loc: USA
Re: Number of chromosomes for Peyote and Trichocereus spp. ? [Re: Psiloman]
    #11475253 - 11/17/09 05:14 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

The diploid chromosome count for cacti is 22, thats what the great majority are. Polyploid cacti (which are usually Opuntia relatives) are some multiple of 11. If for a given species you can find no reference to polyploidy assume a chromosome count of 2n = 22

As little as 0.007 grams of colchicine has killed people in the past and the stuff dances in static electricity :eek:


--------------------
The Nook

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

Shop: Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds   Myyco.com Isolated Cubensis Liquid Culture For Sale   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Topicals   MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Peyote & Opuntia spp. pups Hongoidelistik 719 2 06/15/07 09:17 PM
by Legoulash
* Inducing polyploidy : A Simple Guide. (Make your own "species")
( 1 2 3 all )
Psiloman 23,178 57 02/07/08 06:47 PM
by Psiloman
* Di/Polyploidy, Colchicine and Autumn Crocus casgoodie 1,181 2 02/25/08 07:05 AM
by casgoodie
* Polyploid
( 1 2 all )
ThingsThatAlsoFly 2,557 28 01/12/16 12:19 AM
by ThingsThatAlsoFly
* Inducing Polyploidy in LW seeds
( 1 2 all )
Fnord 3,510 28 07/25/09 07:43 AM
by Dr. uarewotueat
* "Peyotes and False Peyotes" and other psychoactive Cacti
( 1 2 3 4 all )
FarFromHere 25,509 62 05/21/16 03:44 AM
by FarFromHere
* My friends peyote with questions Taskenti 1,470 16 04/22/06 04:27 PM
by Psychoslut
* hybrid peyote and San Pedro carpetmunch 5,105 19 09/08/11 08:01 PM
by GoOnThen

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Mostly_Harmless, A.k.a
1,075 topic views. 0 members, 9 guests and 18 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.026 seconds spending 0.007 seconds on 14 queries.