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apple is a bunch of crooks
    #11474566 - 11/17/09 03:13 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

My iPod, after three years of faithful service, was stolen a month or so ago right out of my car. Certain individuals may be responsible for leaving it unattended with open windows in certain parts of Berkeley, but I am not a vindictive man so I have not held them culpable.

I popped down to Radio Shack to pick up a new adapter for my old missing-adapter one-gig tiny-tiny iPod Shuffle. Naturally, the only adapter they sold could power it but not send information. So they convinced me to buy one of the new Shuffles for a meager $60. I figured, hey, it has the same adapter so I can bring my old Shuffle back into service and get an extra 2 gigs of storage space.

Finally, I get to listen to my own music driving around, rather than the garbage on the radio.

But it was not to be so easy.

In Apple's quest for ever more streamlined, fashionable devices, they have designed the new Shuffle with no buttons. It literally has. No. Buttons. At all. The earbuds it comes with have a grand total of three buttons attached to them, one for turning up the volume, one for turning it down, and one which can be single-clicked to play, double-clicked to skip forward, triple-clicked to skip back. Seriously? And since this incredibly intuitive button configuration can only be attached to the Shuffle through the ear buds, I cannot use this little turd to play music in my car, at all. Its only use is to drown out the sound of the waves while I walk along the beach.

The final insult is that even though the adapter is identical in connectors and shape to the one for the old iPod, you know, the monstrous half-a-matchbook-sized one with its intimidating airplane-cockpit total of five face buttons, it is incompatible. It simply does nothing for my old Shuffle. Doesn't even power it.

And if I were to go to the Apple Store and slay the hipsters at the "Genius Bar" after they inevitably tell me my only recourse would be to buy another few adapters, I'm the one who would go to jail. This country is run by gangsters.

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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #11474605 - 11/17/09 03:19 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

fuck apple. cool products but they are made to fail


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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #11474607 - 11/17/09 03:19 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

lol yea i was gonna buy thoes but ur fucked when one of those ear buds blow then u have to spend instead of liek 10 bucks on head phones u have to go get apple head phones for like 35 bucks thast how they get you some fucked up shit if u ask me


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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #11474621 - 11/17/09 03:21 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

After experiencing the bloatware known as Itunes, I've decided not to buy another Apple product.

I'm not going to support that shit with my money. I'm going to support products that don't give me bullshit.

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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #11474674 - 11/17/09 03:27 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

There's a plethora of free third-party alternatives to iTunes for maintaining iPods, but unfortunately I can't download third-party buttons for this brick-in-the-box.


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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #11474705 - 11/17/09 03:32 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

You know what I enjoy doing with my MP3 player?

Plugging it in, going into Windows Explorer, and dragging and dropping music into it, or just deleting stuff in there that I don't want.

I don't want a bunch of other bullshit to deal with other bullshit.

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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #11474717 - 11/17/09 03:33 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

What type of MP3 player do you use? How much storage space does it have? As you might imagine I am now on the market for a functioning, bullshit-free MP3 player.


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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #11474749 - 11/17/09 03:39 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

zens by creative are very nice my friend has one and i enjoy them i ahve a iphone my self so i just  listen to that


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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: cashus]
    #11474980 - 11/17/09 04:34 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Returned it and got some little thing from Sandisk for $10 less. This thing has as much space and uses a drag-and-drop principle as well as a standard USB-2 port and has a screen - though my personal favorite feature is the buttons. :facepalm:


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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #11476438 - 11/17/09 10:23 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Returned it and got some little thing from Sandisk for $10 less. This thing has as much space and uses a drag-and-drop principle as well as a standard USB-2 port and has a screen - though my personal favorite feature is the buttons. :facepalm:




the SanDisk players are nice if you dont have a very large collection.

i have over 90gb of audio alone. the only option i really have is the ipod classic. the zune doesnt work in linux and the archos players are about the size of a buick. there isnt really anything else with that large of a hard drive.

apple used to be a cool company but the last 10 years or so theyve become more anti-competitive and monopolistic than microsoft ever was.

now theyre the guy on the big jumbotron. the open source movement is the girl throwing the hammer.

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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: frith]
    #11476467 - 11/17/09 11:13 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

When was Apple ever cool?  They were always very controlling, which is why even though Windows came out many years after Apples graphical OS, it still dominated it.  Windows said, 'hey yea you can write software for our system, hell you can load this shit onto any computer you want'.  Whereas Apple wanted you to buy all their shit, fuck Apple I hate that company (except for the iPod.

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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: cashus]
    #11476474 - 11/17/09 11:21 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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lol yea i was gonna buy thoes but ur fucked when one of those ear buds blow then u have to spend instead of liek 10 bucks on head phones u have to go get apple head phones for like 35 bucks thast how they get you some fucked up shit if u ask me



Well that's not accurate

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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: Chespirito]
    #11476975 - 11/18/09 06:57 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

The closed connection between software and hardware from Apple is why I don't like Apple and will never buy Apple shit.

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zens by creative are very nice my friend has one and i enjoy them i ahve a iphone my self so i just  listen to that




I have a creative zen (gift) and was disappointed that they moved from usb stick style storage to some stupid software and drivers. I does also not work on linux. Good thing is that it has a SD-cart slot. Still a decent player.

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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: myco_mikey_mo]
    #11476986 - 11/18/09 07:01 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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fuck apple. cool products but they are made to fail




Not exactly. They are made to be replaced. You are supposed to buy a new one every other year whether you need to or not.
Apple as a brand is a status symbol. People (mostly) buy Apple because they think it's cool.


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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: frith]
    #11480296 - 11/18/09 05:37 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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i have over 90gb of audio alone. the only option i really have is the ipod classic.




That may be true if you insist on carrying your whole music collection wherever you go.  My mp3 player only has 4gb of storage.  I just swap shit out every now and then.  Works for me...

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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #11480363 - 11/18/09 05:45 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

You realize your number of posts is 1234?

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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: Chespirito]
    #11480405 - 11/18/09 05:52 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

ive never had problems with apple products, and I've quite a few, a couple mac mini's ipod touch a couple ipods over the years, if you have a problem with using itunes, which is really simple and not complicated at all, I dont get why people hate it so. If you have an apple computer having an ipod is that much better, it is lame how proprietary they are and how expensive they are , but you most defintely get what you pay for, not only have they innovated some of the coolest products over the years, which have inspired most other companies to follow with something similar, but they make quality products, it isnt crap, Id much rather pay a bit extra for something and have it be atleast well put together chinese crap then poorly put together chinese crap.:boobs:


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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: snoot]
    #11480468 - 11/18/09 06:00 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Apple typically makes solid products. Make sure you know what you are buying before you give your money away.


And Apple is not a software company, so comparing to Windows doesn't work.


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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: snoot]
    #11482074 - 11/18/09 09:27 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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\if you have a problem with using itunes, which is really simple and not complicated at all, I dont get why people hate it so.




itunes is bloated and inflexible.

ill take amarok on linux any day of the week over itunes.


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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #11482097 - 11/18/09 09:29 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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i have over 90gb of audio alone. the only option i really have is the ipod classic.




That may be true if you insist on carrying your whole music collection wherever you go.  My mp3 player only has 4gb of storage.  I just swap shit out every now and then.  Works for me...




a lot of my music is FLAC. 4gb wont carry much and if i want to listen to something specific and i dont have that option if im not carrying everything.


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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: frith]
    #11482119 - 11/18/09 09:31 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Talk about bloated.  Convert that into VBR, -V0 --vbr-new LAME style.  There is no chance you can hear the difference

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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: Chespirito]
    #11482140 - 11/18/09 09:34 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Talk about bloated.  Convert that into VBR, -V0 --vbr-new LAME style.  There is no chance you can hear the difference




debatable.. mp3s always sound tinny to me.


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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: frith]
    #11482178 - 11/18/09 09:40 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Placebo, here use this script:

for file in *.flac; do $(flac -cd "$file" | lame -V0 --vbr-new - "${file%.flac}.mp3"); done

Try that on one FLAC album, A/B them and youll see

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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: Chespirito]
    #11482551 - 11/18/09 10:28 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Placebo, here use this script:

for file in *.flac; do $(flac -cd "$file" | lame -V0 --vbr-new - "${file%.flac}.mp3"); done

Try that on one FLAC album, A/B them and youll see




nope. still sounds like shit. it may be the headphones im using though. they are a hell of a lot better than the cheapo $30 things you get at target.


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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: frith]
    #11482594 - 11/18/09 10:32 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Nah theres no chance, I use several hundred dollar Grado headphones.  Its either all in your head, or you have a corrupt version of flac or LAME

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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: Chespirito]
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Nah theres no chance, I use several hundred dollar Grado headphones.  Its either all in your head, or you have a corrupt version of flac or LAME




ive had a pair of grados in the past. pretty nice.

right now im using a pair of beyerdynamic dt 880 pros.

its def not in my head though. mp3s just dont sound as good. and i dont have all of my music in FLAC. 80s punk doesnt need to be that high quality :smile:


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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: cashus]
    #11482667 - 11/18/09 10:41 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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zens by creative are very nice my friend has one and i enjoy them i ahve a iphone my self so i just  listen to that





YEP.  I gots me a Zen too.  It's a great product.  :thumbup:


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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: frith]
    #11482873 - 11/18/09 11:10 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Yea those are decent headphones, Ive heard them.  However I still will claim theres no way you can pass a blind hearing test.  You did a VBR with -V0?  Do you have the newest version of LAME?  The older ones have a poorly functioning --vbr-new , the new version is now equivalent to the old --vbr-old

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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: Chespirito]
    #11493755 - 11/20/09 03:32 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I saw that it had no face buttons, but I figured the buttons would be on a detachable adapter, not directly fused to the worthless little 5-cent piece of tinny garbage they call earbuds. I don't even use earbuds that often, but when I do I have actual good ones that would have still been useless with this thing.
Apple is indefensible IMO. Their brand status has reached a point where customer satisfaction is an afterthought, at least in the iPod area. :shrug:

The Sansa is pretty good so far. Does what I want it to do. I'm probably going to get another MP3 player with much larger storage at some point when I'm in more comfortable shape financially, and I plan on looking for alternatives to the iPod Classic.


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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: frith]
    #11494598 - 11/20/09 05:44 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Placebo, here use this script:

for file in *.flac; do $(flac -cd "$file" | lame -V0 --vbr-new - "${file%.flac}.mp3"); done

Try that on one FLAC album, A/B them and youll see




nope. still sounds like shit. it may be the headphones im using though. they are a hell of a lot better than the cheapo $30 things you get at target.




ipods do FLAC these days?  That's news to me.  Even if they do, there is no way the shitty little amp inside your ipod is going to output anything significantly better when playing a flac over an mp3.  Or, let me guess, you carry around an amp too?  :tongue:

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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: Chespirito]
    #11494604 - 11/20/09 05:45 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Nah theres no chance, I use several hundred dollar Grado headphones.  Its either all in your head, or you have a corrupt version of flac or LAME




Grados FTW...  I gots me a pair myself.  I've had them so long I needed to replace the earpads 3 years ago and still haven't gotten around to doing it.  They still sound great.

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    #11494613 - 11/20/09 05:46 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Placebo, here use this script:

for file in *.flac; do $(flac -cd "$file" | lame -V0 --vbr-new - "${file%.flac}.mp3"); done

Try that on one FLAC album, A/B them and youll see




nope. still sounds like shit. it may be the headphones im using though. they are a hell of a lot better than the cheapo $30 things you get at target.




ipods do FLAC these days?  That's news to me.  Even if they do, there is no way the shitty little amp inside your ipod is going to output anything significantly better when playing a flac over an mp3.  Or, let me guess, you carry around an amp too?  :tongue:




i do FLAC on the home stereo. when transfering to the ipod i transcode to aac lossless.


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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: frith]
    #11497422 - 11/21/09 07:29 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

No problems with flac! I wish more music was shared using lossless format, let people downsample if they want


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Re: apple is a bunch of crooks [Re: tak]
    #11498023 - 11/21/09 10:50 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, nothing wrong with lossless formats in an of themselves.  But for use on a portable player, it's just a waste.  But to each his own...

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    #11498709 - 11/21/09 01:02 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Most blind A/B tests Ive read about have people not being able to tell the difference between lossless and 320 kbps mp3.  If you have a really expensive set of speakers then yea I can dig it, but some ok headphones?  Eh

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