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what changes should/need to be made to address police misconduct
    #11471376 - 11/17/09 02:22 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

besides the obvious end the drug war (I feel like that as a whole is seriously the biggest reason for law enforcement being the joke that it is) what if if where up to you to decide, (and based on the limits of the constitution) would it take to have not only police misconduct taken seriously by the justice system and society as whole?

also answers such as holding prosecuters accountable which they arent now are obvious.

i mean what would you implement if you had the opportunity to address competency and misconduct/brutality that you think would make monumental differences on this issue?


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Re: what changes should/need to be made to address police misconduct [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #11471989 - 11/17/09 06:05 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Cameras on all cop cars, cop guns, and cop tasers.
Better continuing education for all cops.
Citizen run oversight of cop conduct for any complaints.
End the usage of animals in law enforcement.
End unions for cops and prison guards.
Better pay and benefits for cops and prison guards.
End the use of private lawyers for criminal cases.  (Both sides get a 'public defender' with an equal budget.)


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Re: what changes should/need to be made to address police misconduct [Re: Seuss]
    #11473116 - 11/17/09 01:01 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Citizen run oversight of cop conduct for any complaints.


we already have civilian review boards and they don't really accomplish much.
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End the use of private lawyers for criminal cases.  (Both sides get a 'public defender' with an equal budget.)


how would this get rid of police misconduct and do you realize the implications of this? One of the main reasons that the state gets the burden of proof (guilty until proven innocent) is because the state has a much larger budget. If both sides have equal budgets, people might have to start proving their innocence.

A lot of police misconduct is while on patrol because in cases like drug trafficking there isn't really a victim, its easy to pocket stuff or in any event you see how this leads to corruption.

What seems to work well is flat-out suing officers because it has been shown that when officers because liable for their actions, they cut down on needless actions.


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Re: what changes should/need to be made to address police misconduct [Re: learningtofly]
    #11473370 - 11/17/09 01:58 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

politicians need mandatory minimums for betraying the public trust and related offenses (scandal corruption)

police officers should have more education required to be eligable and a more intensive training. Also, i don't see how increased penalties for leos would be a bad thing either.


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Re: what changes should/need to be made to address police misconduct [Re: Deekay]
    #11473427 - 11/17/09 02:09 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

What kind of education do you mean? A lot of police officers in Madison, WI have masters degrees. A lot of departments require 2yrs of college minimum but mostly accept at least Bachelor's degrees and masters. Do you mean education as far as dealing with potential criminals or education in general?

What kind of increased penalties for what? A lot get off easier (as far as criminal court, not civil court where they get fukin sued for wrongful death or whatever) because they claim it's in the line of duty. The problem is that yeah, they shouldn't do a lot of things they do but you can't expect them to sit back and evaluate each situation before acting otherwise they'd get nowhere.

But then there are cases where it's pretty obvious the cop was just on a power trip.


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Re: what changes should/need to be made to address police misconduct [Re: Seuss]
    #11473592 - 11/17/09 02:45 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Cameras on all cop cars, cop guns, and cop tasers.



I heard somewhere that cops are able to turn off the video cameras that are mounted on their patrol cars at their own discretion. :mad:


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Re: what changes should/need to be made to address police misconduct [Re: Poid]
    #11473656 - 11/17/09 02:59 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Cameras on all cop cars, cop guns, and cop tasers.



I heard somewhere that cops are able to turn off the video cameras that are mounted on their patrol cars at their own discretion. :mad:




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It is against DPD rules for an officer to turn off the camera, and officers cannot erase the videos.


not so much.


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Re: what changes should/need to be made to address police misconduct [Re: learningtofly]
    #11473667 - 11/17/09 03:00 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Well, either the ordinances in my town/city are different, or whoever told me that little tid-bit of information was full of shit. :holyshit:


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Re: what changes should/need to be made to address police misconduct [Re: Poid]
    #11473702 - 11/17/09 03:07 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

probably full of shit. if they could turn it off, there would be no point in having them.


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Re: what changes should/need to be made to address police misconduct [Re: learningtofly]
    #11473713 - 11/17/09 03:09 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

That's what I said; the person who told me this was kind of a retard, though, so I just politely let him speak so he could shut up already and so I could leave and get on with my life. :stoned:


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Re: what changes should/need to be made to address police misconduct [Re: Poid]
    #11474709 - 11/17/09 05:32 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Stop listening to retards.  Even more valuable advice; stop repeating what retards tell you.


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Re: what changes should/need to be made to address police misconduct [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11474830 - 11/17/09 06:06 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I'm still young, and am trying to figure out which is which. :stoned:


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Re: what changes should/need to be made to address police misconduct [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11474877 - 11/17/09 06:14 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Stop listening to retards.  Even more valuable advice; stop repeating what retards tell you.




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Re: what changes should/need to be made to address police misconduct [Re: learningtofly]
    #11474936 - 11/17/09 06:27 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

maybe we could have police have an entheogenic experience once every few months, as part of their training, to keep them connected to all the people they serve so they don't develop a huge ego and go on a power trip!

or we could just tighten the laws around police misconduct so they are afraid to act out of line.

or use both for maximal results! :laugh:


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Re: what changes should/need to be made to address police misconduct [Re: PookztA]
    #11474955 - 11/17/09 06:30 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

...or allow each citizen to carry loaded weapons with them, just so shit doesn't get too out of hand. :shrug:


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Re: what changes should/need to be made to address police misconduct [Re: PookztA]
    #11475003 - 11/17/09 06:37 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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...or allow each citizen to carry loaded weapons with them, just so shit doesn't get too out of hand. :shrug:



noooo. police are much more likely to use force against people who initiate force. If you have people pointing guns at police officers they aren't gonna fuck around, people will most likely get shot.

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or we could just tighten the laws around police misconduct so they are afraid to act out of line.



In what manner?


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Re: what changes should/need to be made to address police misconduct [Re: learningtofly]
    #11475058 - 11/17/09 06:46 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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...or allow each citizen to carry loaded weapons with them, just so shit doesn't get too out of hand. :shrug:



noooo. police are much more likely to use force against people who initiate force. If you have people pointing guns at police officers they aren't gonna fuck around, people will most likely get shot.


If everybody had a gun, they don't need to be walking around pointing it at others all the time; I would believe that knowing that everyone has a gun can produce a certain amount of safety because it means that since everyone is able to defend themselves, anyone who wants to take the risk of committing a violent crime against anyone else will have to take into account that they may be killed on the spot.


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Re: what changes should/need to be made to address police misconduct [Re: Poid]
    #11475407 - 11/17/09 07:37 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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...or allow each citizen to carry loaded weapons with them, just so shit doesn't get too out of hand. :shrug:



noooo. police are much more likely to use force against people who initiate force. If you have people pointing guns at police officers they aren't gonna fuck around, people will most likely get shot.


If everybody had a gun, they don't need to be walking around pointing it at others all the time; I would believe that knowing that everyone has a gun can produce a certain amount of safety because it means that since everyone is able to defend themselves, anyone who wants to take the risk of committing a violent crime against anyone else will have to take into account that they may be killed on the spot.



http://www.phoenixcopwatch.org/ Phoenix, AZ allows citizens to carry guns yet they still have a police brutality problem.


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Re: what changes should/need to be made to address police misconduct [Re: learningtofly]
    #11475436 - 11/17/09 07:40 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Phoenix, AZ allows citizens to carry guns yet they still have a police brutality problem.


That isn't surprising--there are many dangerous gangsters there. :shrug:


Police officers do no always carry all of the blame in these type of cases; obviously, they were at least somewhat provoked in most of these cases.


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Re: what changes should/need to be made to address police misconduct [Re: Poid]
    #11475476 - 11/17/09 07:44 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Phoenix, AZ allows citizens to carry guns yet they still have a police brutality problem.


That isn't surprising--there are many dangerous gangsters there. :shrug:


so then how would having everyone carry a gun solve this problem? it wouldn't.


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Police officers do no always carry all of the blame in these type of cases; obviously, they were at least somewhat provoked in most of these cases.


i never said they did.


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