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    #11463138 - 11/15/09 10:08 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Last night I had some truly unbelievable dreams. The only one I remember anything about was set on a very unusual planet with very unusual circumstances. It was very surreal and I could not make sense of much looking back, like being thrown into a complete different culture sort of.

I have some crazy dreams that often have absolutely no bearing on my own reality. This has gotten me thinking that maybe there is more to it than my imagination? Maybe a window into past lives or something?


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Re: Dreams [Re: drawde]
    #11464017 - 11/16/09 12:31 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Reincarnational personalities

The Early Sessions---Session 28

Seth Speaks on Dreams  (Seth Speaks by Jane Roberts)

http://www.greatdreams.com/sethdrm.htm

Think of the term entity as 'higher self' or 'soul'. And Seth is a supposed "channeled" entity speaking through a lady (Jane) who was referred to as Ruburt in an earlier life.

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I am not Ruburt's subconscious, though I speak through it. It is the atmosphere though which I can come to you, as the air is the atmosphere through which a bird flies, but the bird is something different from the air. A certain reassembly of myself is necessary when I enter your plane, and this reassembly is done partially by the combined subconscious efforts of you, Joseph, and Ruburt.

In a dream, and this is new material, I have said that you can experience many days while no corresponding amount of physical time passes. In other words, it seems that you travel very far in the flicker of an eyelash.

Condensed time is the time felt by the entity, or experienced by the entity, while any of its given personalities "live on the plane of physical materializations. To go into this a bit further, many men have said that life is a dream, They were true to the facts in one strong regard, and yet far afield as far as the main issue is concerned.

Individual life, or the life of the present individual, could be legitimately compared to the dream of the entity. While the individual suffers and enjoys his given number of years, these years are but a flash to the entity, the entity is concerned with these years in the same manner that you are concerned with your dreams. As you give purpose and organization to your dreams, and as you obtain insight and satisfaction from your dreams through they involve only a part of your life, so the entity to some extent directs and gives purpose and organization to his personalities during their existence, And so does the entity obtain insights and satisfactions from his existing personalities, although no one takes up all of his attentions.

And as your dreams originate with you, rise from you, attain a seeming independence, and have their ending with you, so do an entity's personalities arise from him, attain various degrees of independence, and return to him while never leaving him for an instant.

The planes represent the various levels upon which the personalities operate. You are familiar through your reading with so-called secondary personalities. There have been cases of individuals with three separate personalities. Now this idea comes close to the relationship of the entity to its personalities. They are independent to varying degrees, and they operate on various planes for purposes of overall fulfillment and development.

To a lessor degree, you function along these lines in varying roles when you exist simultaneously as a member of a family, a member of a community, a nation, and as an artist or a writer. As you attempt to use your abilities so does the entity attempt to use his abilities, and he organizes his various personalities and to some extent directs their activities while still allowing them what you would call free will.

There exists infinities of diversity and opportunity for the personalities, and this diversity is given to it, to its meaning the personality, by the entity, Your own dreams are fragments, even as in a much larger sense you are fragments of your entity, An unrecognized unity and organization lies within all of your dreams, beneath their diversity. and your dreams, while part of you, actually exist apart. That is , you have given them a certain independence. This is difficult to explain clearly, and may be rather difficult for you to swallow whole, I hope you don't choke.

However I have said there is great similarity between your relationship to your dreams, and to the entity's relationship to his personality. What I did not make plain was that your dreams are part of a plane, and exist on it as you exist on your plane.

That dream world has its own reality, its own time, which is different from your concept of time, and its own inner organization. As the entity is only partially concerned with its personalities after setting them into motion, so you are unconcerned with this dream world which you have set into motion. But it exists.

To a different degree it is filled with conscious semi personalities. I call them semi personalities merely to point out that they are not fully developed as you are, as you are not as developed as your entity is. Nevertheless, that dream world experiences continuity, it is not aware of any break while, for example, you are sleeping. It does not know you sleep or wake. It merely exists to a fairly vivid degree while you sleep, and it sleeps but does not die when you are awake.

The entity itself does not have to keep constant check on its personalities, because in each personality there is an inner self-conscious part that knows its origin. This part, for now, I will call the self-conscious beyond the subconscious. The breather and the dreamer are not so automatically controlled as it would seem. I have mentioned before that some part of you knows exactly how much oxygen the lungs breathe, and how much energy it takes to pace the floor, and this is the part of you of which I spoke. It is the part, and the self-conscious part that receives all inner data.

The part that translates inner data sifts it down through the subconscious, which is a barrier and also a threshold to the present personality as it operates on the camouflage plane. I have mentioned many times how vitality changes as it approaches and forms various planes. I have said that the topmost part of the subconscious contains personal memories. That beneath these are racial memories and so forth. Things are simply not layered in the way I speak of them, But continuing with the necessary analogy, on the other side of [or beneath to you] the racial memories, you no longer exist within your plane, and look out upon another with the face of this other self-conscious part of you. This part receives inner data, is in contact with the entity, to some greater degree than you are in contact with your dreams, and actually directs all the important functions that you think are either automatically controlled, or unconsciously controlled.

When such abilities as telepathy occur, this telepathic function is carried on continually by this other self-conscious part of you, but as a rule you act upon such data without the knowledge of the conscious self with which you are familiar. I wanted to at least get into this material this evening, because while it may sound complex to you now, it is really basic. And it is knowledge that you must have before we can go further.

There is also a corresponding, but lesser, self- consciousness that connects your present personalities with the dream world, which is aware of its origin and communicates data from you to it. Again you are no more aware of your dream creations, and no less aware than your entity is of you, but in the last analysis you are aware and connected with your entity through this self-conscious part of you that faces another plane.

There is of course an apparent contradiction here, but it is only apparent. It is certainly to you contradictory, your dilemma being this: if you have another self-conscious self, then why aren't you aware of it.{grin}

Pretend that you are some weird creature with two faces, One face looks out upon one world and one looks out upon on another. Imagine, further, this poor creature having a brain to go with each face, and each brain interprets in terms of the world it looks upon. Yet the worlds are different, and more, the creatures are Siamese twins.

At the same time. imagine these creatures are really one creature but with different parts equipped to handle two entirely different worlds. The subconscious therefore, in this truly ludicrous analogy, would exist between two brains, and would enable the creature to operate as a single unity. At the same time, and this is the difficult part to explain, neither of the two faces would ever see the other world. They would not be aware of each other. And yet each would be fully self-conscious.


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Re: Dreams [Re: drawde]
    #11467386 - 11/16/09 04:16 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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This has gotten me thinking that maybe there is more to it than my imagination?




I personally think yes...there is much more to it than just my imagination.


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Maybe a window into past lives or something?




I think it would be more accurate to say 'concurrent lives', as the excellent excerpt that c0sm0 posted suggests.
There's a possibility that there is no past, or future, and that everything....ummmmm....just always is.


FWIW,
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Re: Dreams [Re: Mycomyth]
    #11470134 - 11/16/09 11:15 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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I think it would be more accurate to say 'concurrent lives', as the excellent excerpt that c0sm0 posted suggests.
There's a possibility that there is no past, or future, and that everything....ummmmm....just always is.


FWIW,
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I don't know about concurrent, IMO, I believe it is an eternal present of sorts, but I do believe there was a reality (life) I experienced before this one. Thus past, present and future all do exist.


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Re: Dreams [Re: m00nshine]
    #11472133 - 11/17/09 07:28 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Thus past, present and future all do exist.




From who's perspective?


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Re: Dreams [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #11472482 - 11/17/09 10:15 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Thus past, present and future all do exist.




From who's perspective?




The observer's prospective... Us, basically. We have memories of the past, we experience the present, and we await the future. These 3 things are a part of everyone's journey.


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    #11472569 - 11/17/09 10:40 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for that article Cosmo... though there are a lot of ideas to swallow at once. I am going to have to read it a few more times to start to really understand I think. I only used past just as an expression, I do not really think time has anything to do with it, but who am I to make any assumptions?


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Re: Dreams [Re: drawde]
    #11473429 - 11/17/09 02:09 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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The observer's prospective... Us, basically. We have memories of the past, we experience the present, and we await the future. These 3 things are a part of everyone's journey.




I'd agree this is the case from our perspective. :smile: Could you imagine another perspective which only recognizes an ultimate present? Do you think we could associate with a perspective which views life from this present?

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Thanks for that article Cosmo... though there are a lot of ideas to swallow at once. I am going to have to read it a few more times to start to really understand I think. I only used past just as an expression, I do not really think time has anything to do with it, but who am I to make any assumptions?




Well there would be past a future lives if you look at it in the linear time scale of history, yet looking at it from the perspective of say, a higher self outside of linear time, may see all of these incarnations simultaneously. It is a lot to take in at once, which reminds me I should reread that book.


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    #11473472 - 11/17/09 02:19 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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I'd agree this is the case from our perspective. :smile: Could you imagine another perspective which only recognizes an ultimate present? Do you think we could associate with a perspective which views life from this present?




I can imagine that other perspective, it must be a layer of consciousness we have that works in the "background" (for most people) that is simply the oversoul, an eternal presence of consciousness. I believe to achieve full understanding of this state and its full experience one must be at the point of enlightenment and become one with it. I do believe that a lower developed spirit can have a taste of it, but it is still illusionary to him, and not yet fully understood.

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Well there would be past a future lives if you look at it in the linear time scale of history, yet looking at it from the perspective of say, a higher self outside of linear time, may see all of these incarnations simultaneously. It is a lot to take in at once, which reminds me I should reread that book.




It is a lot to take in at once, and that is why most have not achieved this state... Wouldn't one in this state be allowed to leave the body and not return?


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    #11474078 - 11/17/09 04:00 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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I'd agree this is the case from our perspective. :smile: Could you imagine another perspective which only recognizes an ultimate present? Do you think we could associate with a perspective which views life from this present?




I can imagine that other perspective, it must be a layer of consciousness we have that works in the "background" (for most people) that is simply the oversoul, an eternal presence of consciousness. I believe to achieve full understanding of this state and its full experience one must be at the point of enlightenment and become one with it. I do believe that a lower developed spirit can have a taste of it, but it is still illusionary to him, and not yet fully understood.






I'd agree this is what people consider enlightenment. You can at least get a taste of it during meditation and perhaps during what they call 'ego death' on psychedelics and other drugs. Someone like Ram Dass would say you could live in this state with enough practice.



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Well there would be past a future lives if you look at it in the linear time scale of history, yet looking at it from the perspective of say, a higher self outside of linear time, may see all of these incarnations simultaneously. It is a lot to take in at once, which reminds me I should reread that book.




It is a lot to take in at once, and that is why most have not achieved this state... Wouldn't one in this state be allowed to leave the body and not return?




Indeed. Yet those who achieve this state, the Bodhisattvas, vow to stay incarnated until every other being is enlightened as well.


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