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are you experienced with martial/self defense arts?
    #11460770 - 11/15/09 05:24 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)





Things like Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Jeet Kune Do, Systema, Krav Maga, hand combat training army style etc.
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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Asante]
    #11460786 - 11/15/09 05:26 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Asante]
    #11460789 - 11/15/09 05:27 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

from the beginning...red belt one stripe tae kwon do, 5 years Jeet Kune Do, 2 years brazilian jiu jitsu, 3 years wing chun gong fu, 3 years tai chi chuan and Chin Na, dabbled in Krav Maga and Dim Mak

Basically look at my tae kwon do training as counter-effective, I basically had to unlearn everything they taught me
Now I'm a lazy ass and haven't practiced or studied anything in about 2 years


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Asante]
    #11460794 - 11/15/09 05:28 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

i think the more humble would call ourselves limited even with a generally considered high level of training.

on of my sensei's has been humbled very much from the higher in rank he gets. he remarks how when he got his yellow belt (very easy) he had too big of a head, and learned why thats not a good idea.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: elementswrath]
    #11460795 - 11/15/09 05:28 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

None whatsoever, I want to start taking classes pretty soon though.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #11460815 - 11/15/09 05:32 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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i think the more humble would call ourselves limited even with a generally considered high level of training.

on of my sensei's has been humbled very much from the higher in rank he gets. he remarks how when he got his yellow belt (very easy) he had too big of a head, and learned why thats not a good idea.




yeah big head is never good. question though, what martial art? generally speaking from my experience, the martial arts with belt systems are the ones where you will find the people with the biggest heads.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Solemente]
    #11460822 - 11/15/09 05:33 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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None whatsoever, I want to start taking classes pretty soon though.



me too, i am not sure what i want to practice tho.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Shroomism]
    #11460824 - 11/15/09 05:33 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Absolutely none.
I'd really like to study one, though, but I lack self-discipline big time.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Enphenitie]
    #11460832 - 11/15/09 05:34 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

You learn self-discipline, it is a part of the process of studying a martial art.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Asante]
    #11460835 - 11/15/09 05:34 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

18 years studying tae kwon do, also spent the last 8 years studying kenpo and jui jitsu.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Shroomism]
    #11460839 - 11/15/09 05:35 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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i think the more humble would call ourselves limited even with a generally considered high level of training.

on of my sensei's has been humbled very much from the higher in rank he gets. he remarks how when he got his yellow belt (very easy) he had too big of a head, and learned why thats not a good idea.




yeah big head is never good. question though, what martial art? generally speaking from my experience, the martial arts with belt systems are the ones where you will find the people with the biggest heads.





Kenpo.

I see what you are saying, but I like all the people I work with, for that reason, they simply don't, or at the very least they are humble about it and joke.

Then theres just having confidence, as long as you are not overconfident, it is good.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #11460861 - 11/15/09 05:37 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Not saying all belt system martial arts are flawed, just that they tend to focus more on the belts than the actual skills and that can attract the "power hungry" element.
Like Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, it's on a belt system.. but definitely not a joke. I'm sure Kenpo is the same way.
And Aikido.. I never studied it but I knew a dude who was very advanced in it.. I once saw a huge guy attack him and he flipped him and launched him about 30 feet into a wall.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: elementswrath]
    #11460885 - 11/15/09 05:41 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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None whatsoever, I want to start taking classes pretty soon though.



me too, i am not sure what i want to practice tho.



I want to do kickboxing and BJJ.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Asante]
    #11460901 - 11/15/09 05:43 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Shroomism]
    #11460904 - 11/15/09 05:43 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

someone told my friend they knew jitsu (like it was supposed to scare him or something)

my friend just said: ya?, well I know, "tackle your ass to the ground".


i laughed cause thats how every fight goes (at least the ones i've seen) tackle em to the ground and hope for the best:lol:


alcohol usually has a play in it:nonono:


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: subiedude]
    #11460918 - 11/15/09 05:45 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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someone told my friend they knew jitsu (like it was supposed to scare him or something)

my friend just said: ya?, well I know, "tackle your ass to the ground".


i laughed cause thats how every fight goes (at least the ones i've seen) tackle em to the ground and hope for the best:lol:


alcohol usually has a play in it:nonono:



Anybody that knows jujitsu would be able to whoop anybody's ass who just tackle's him to the ground.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: subiedude]
    #11460919 - 11/15/09 05:45 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

That's why BJJ excels, 90% of fights end up on the ground, if you are a fucking spider monkey they don't stand much of a chance.
Jiu Jitsu is DESIGNED for dominating opponents, on the ground. Whether you are on top or they are top of you, does not matter. I'll choke you out with my legs.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Shroomism]
    #11460935 - 11/15/09 05:47 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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That's why BJJ excels, 90% of fights end up on the ground, if you are a fucking spider monkey they don't stand much of a chance



I can put both my legs behind my head at the same time and walk on my hands. Not to mention I have really long, powerful legs.

I think I'd be really good at BJJ. I can't wait till I get the extra cash to start taking classes. Hopefully sometime next spring.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Shroomism]
    #11460948 - 11/15/09 05:48 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Haha sounds like BJJ would be good for me.  I'm a bit of a monkey to begin with.

At least that's what people tell me.  I prefer to consider myself a ninja.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Enphenitie]
    #11460964 - 11/15/09 05:49 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

It's a good place to start, if you want to get experience with grappling/ground stuff.
If you are calm and confident on the ground you already have the advantage.. that's where most people freak out.
I'd also work on your standing techniques.. kung fu...


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Solemente]
    #11460994 - 11/15/09 05:52 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

i dont know how many people i hear say, "i know *****".  trying to act like a hard ass, but they DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING.

im not doubting someone with those skills can beat some ass


im just saying there is a lot of douche bags out there that embarrass themselves by acting hard.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Shroomism]
    #11460998 - 11/15/09 05:52 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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from the beginning...red belt one stripe tae kwon do, 5 years Jeet Kune Do, 2 years brazilian jiu jitsu, 3 years wing chun gong fu, 3 years tai chi chuan and Chin Na, dabbled in Krav Maga and Dim Mak

Basically look at my tae kwon do training as counter-effective, I basically had to unlearn everything they taught me
Now I'm a lazy ass and haven't practiced or studied anything in about 2 years




Dim Mak!? :eek:


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: psilyguy]
    #11461007 - 11/15/09 05:54 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Dabbled in Dim Mak.. I didn't learn too much besides a few vital points. I had to study acupressure/massage and how to FIX shit before they taught you how to break it. I never got too deep into it.

Acting hard is the classic sign of a douchebag. Anyone who is a master of any martial art doesn't just go around picking fights with people.
The first thing I learned in martial arts is that you only fight if you absolutely have to, otherwise.. run away or avoid it completely. I haven't been in a real fight in over 12 years. But I'm confident that I can defend myself if I had to. But I would most likely avoid it. I'm out like slippery trout


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: psilyguy]
    #11461039 - 11/15/09 05:57 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

i'm a self-learned martial artist. i'm still learning though, but i'm confident i'd be able to defend myself against most anyone who isn't a true martial artist.


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    #11461076 - 11/15/09 06:02 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I'm trained in "western" style swordplay,  pretty useless unless someone breaks into my house.

my forte' is arming words

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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Solemente]
    #11461232 - 11/15/09 06:20 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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None whatsoever, I want to start taking classes pretty soon though.



me too, i am not sure what i want to practice tho.



I want to do kickboxing and BJJ.




i think i might learn some BJJ.
that's about it for me.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: elementswrath]
    #11461296 - 11/15/09 06:26 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I'm into Aikido, I love it. Iv found it brings me a lot of inner peace.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: 2Cents]
    #11461341 - 11/15/09 06:31 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

there is just soo many arts, i just wish i knew what would be right for me.:confused2:


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Shroomism]
    #11463412 - 11/15/09 10:48 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Not saying all belt system martial arts are flawed, just that they tend to focus more on the belts than the actual skills and that can attract the "power hungry" element.
Like Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, it's on a belt system.. but definitely not a joke. I'm sure Kenpo is the same way.
And Aikido.. I never studied it but I knew a dude who was very advanced in it.. I once saw a huge guy attack him and he flipped him and launched him about 30 feet into a wall.





well, there are some McDojo's, and places that just want to take your money, then there are good places.

If you are in a place where everyone around you is respectful, and you are a lower rank and the higher ranks realize they have been there too, and they arent just handing out black belts, it doesnt much matter.

properly used, the belt system doesnt advance you just knowing the material, and has a good handle on things, otherwise it would be hard to take them seriously, i personally see that the higher ranks are indeed more skilled where i am at, of course some people will always detract from any place, but everyones a critic.

also i think the 90% for BJJ is a crock, and BJJ really is a complimentary art,

you should never WANT to fight on the ground, its a terrible idea to intentionally go there, but its good when you are actually there, just dont expect it to work without some other skills.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Shroomism]
    #11463427 - 11/15/09 10:52 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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But I'm confident that I can defend myself if I had to. But I would most likely avoid it. I'm out like slippery trout




I think learning how to avoid violence is the ultimate martial art. When i changed my mentality from being able to defeat attackers to being able to simply avoid the confrontation i realized how much more effective this is.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: DimensionX]
    #11463445 - 11/15/09 10:55 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Military L.I.N.E. Training, along with Fencing.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Asante]
    #11463488 - 11/15/09 11:03 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I train MMA, but do not fight, probably have no intention to in the future.

I come from a Muay Thai background, did that for ~4 years through highschool, 6-0 in amateur lightweight (semi-contact).

I took a break for a few years (drugs :mad2:).

Now I'm back, I obtained my blue belt in BJJ recently, doing some amateur wrestling and working my way back into full fight conditioning for Muay Thai, it's a bit tricky now that I'm primarily a raw foodist... can't rely on pasta :mad2:

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you should never WANT to fight on the ground, its a terrible idea to intentionally go there, but its good when you are actually there, just dont expect it to work without some other skills.




Depends on the situation.

If it was 1 vs 1 and there was no chance of another opponent entering the fight, you could always just pull guard then move into a choke or bar from there.

I'm still very wary of trying to shoot larger opponents, I'm very comfortable in a clinch so I would rather just pull guard and work something out from there... I'm a very chill guy though so I would never get into a street fight in my life.

Also once it's out of ring/arena, groin strikes, eye gouging, small joint manipulation... fights are going to be INCREDIBLY damaging very quickly and the need for a proper submission or knockout aren't really needed.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Chubba]
    #11463532 - 11/15/09 11:10 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Grappling is definitely effective. In fact i would fear fighting a grappler. But i think people have to much faith in it because of UFC. Once you have been hit by someone who really knows how to punch you realize how hard it is to close in on a good striker and that your normal person just can't take punishment like UFC guys do.

Grappling is still awesome though and much faster to learn than striking.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: DimensionX]
    #11463577 - 11/15/09 11:17 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Grappling is definitely effective. In fact i would fear fighting a grappler. But i think people have to much faith in it because of UFC. Once you have been hit by someone who really knows how to punch you realize how hard it is to close in on a good striker and that your normal person just can't take punishment like UFC guys do.

Grappling is still awesome though and much faster to learn than striking.




Which is why you train to take a punch :vaped:

It is indeed very hard to close in a good striker, but once that person is on the ground and they have no skillbase, it's OVER. You have to be able to recognize what the grappler is trying to do otherwise you will slip into a choke or a bar within seconds.

There's a difference between someone that's not soo good on the ground and someone that knows NOTHING. Even if it's only a single day with a BJJ instructor learning to avoid the very elementary techniques... but if you got ZERO experience, you're not going to have a single clue what the guy on his back is setting up as he starts moving around. Next thing you know, the striker is going for a ground punch and by releasing "x" limb he's opened himself up to an extremely easy submit.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Chubba]
    #11463609 - 11/15/09 11:21 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah that's true, that's why its so important to learn. But in my opinion there is nothing like a good striker. My friend is pretty high level in wing chun and if he hits you, you will be concussed or unconscious and he's lightening quick so it won't be just one punch. Its really unbelievable how powerful these guys can get, they seriously remind me of jedi's. But it takes ages to get that good, where as you can learn to choke someone out in half an hour.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Asante]
    #11464460 - 11/16/09 01:47 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

no martial arts to speak of, but i wrestled for close to ten years of my life.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: wrestler_az]
    #11464474 - 11/16/09 01:50 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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no martial arts to speak of, but i wrestled for close to ten years of my life.





same here whether I wanted to or not, I was given no choice in the matter


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #11464763 - 11/16/09 02:58 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

If there is anything UFC has taught us.. it's that to be well rounded is the best method.
This was also Bruce Lee's philosophy, to excel in everything and nothing. Use the most efficient movements possible without confining yourself to a particular 'style'.
MMA probably wouldn't exist the way it does today if it weren't for him.
I agree that striking is the quickest and most effective way to take someone out. You don't WANT a fight to end up on the ground. Ideally you want the fight over in the first 3 seconds.
But if it does end up on the ground, which many street fights do.. the person with submission grappling experience is going to dominate the person with none every time, I don't care how big he is.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Shroomism]
    #11464780 - 11/16/09 03:01 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

2nd dan in aikido.. :vaped:


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: orison319]
    #11464979 - 11/16/09 04:12 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I know a few marijuana enthusiasts who are really into Jui Jitsu (or however you spell it).


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Arden]
    #11464992 - 11/16/09 04:19 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

in response to op, yes, but only a little... it runs in the family. kung-fu and tai chi and meditation and the path of some light of kirpal but i didn't invest myself into it... i like the ideas now though.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Shroomism]
    #11471843 - 11/17/09 05:07 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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If there is anything UFC has taught us.. it's that to be well rounded is the best method.
This was also Bruce Lee's philosophy, to excel in everything and nothing. Use the most efficient movements possible without confining yourself to a particular 'style'.
MMA probably wouldn't exist the way it does today if it weren't for him.
I agree that striking is the quickest and most effective way to take someone out. You don't WANT a fight to end up on the ground. Ideally you want the fight over in the first 3 seconds.
But if it does end up on the ground, which many street fights do.. the person with submission grappling experience is going to dominate the person with none every time, I don't care how big he is.




i think people put too much reliance on BJJ and forget that they should use it as an accompaniant art.

i think a lot of MMA fights are a joke and a lo of the fighters are. however then there are those that rock. i dont personalloy watch a lot of it.

alot are sloppy, i think its really totally up to the fighter, but UFC has a ton of rules and a street fight doesnt, big difference.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #11471945 - 11/17/09 05:40 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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i think people put too much reliance on BJJ and forget that they should use it as an accompaniant art.

i think a lot of MMA fights are a joke and a lo of the fighters are. however then there are those that rock. i dont personalloy watch a lot of it.

alot are sloppy, i think its really totally up to the fighter, but UFC has a ton of rules and a street fight doesnt, big difference.




Anyone currently fighting in the UFC is very dangerous and would be very hard to beat in a street fight. Not all of them are world class fighters, but they all can take a punch and have the cardio/fight conditioning... they all have BJJ training (rare to find someone with less then a brown belt, majority are black) along with whatever striking background.

Sure there are rules, but I don't believe there's many people on the street that go directly for eye gouging/groin strikes/small joint manipulation... it's a non-issue IMO... the VERY large majority rely straight up on boxing (which they have no training in anyway).

I follow MMA religiously, seen every single UFC fight EVER.

Anderson Silva is my favourite, I believe he's the best fighter that has ever lived. You call it boring, but he would KILL anyone on the street in seconds.



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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Chubba]
    #11472049 - 11/17/09 06:39 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

hahaha its true. Those guys are monsters, i would hate to see them get in a fight in the normal world. They are not normal people.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Chubba]
    #11472157 - 11/17/09 07:43 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

One fight against that guy takes as much time off your life as a lifetime of smoking :lol:

And thats in the ring. In a back alley with combat boots on his feet and no rules.. :bye:


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: DimensionX]
    #11472159 - 11/17/09 07:45 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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They are not normal people.




That's what a lot of people in this thread don't realise.

These guys could stand there and you could take a 100% swing straight into their face and you would NOT knock them out. They can take dozens, even 100's of punches over 15-25 minutes from people that have been training for 20+ years.

There's a difference between a person that studies martial arts and a trained fighter... I definitely wouldn't want to come up against the later. It's all good having the skills to dish it out, but having a strong chin and being able to take them is what makes champions.

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One fight against that guy takes as much time off your life as a lifetime of smoking :lol:

And thats in the ring. In a back alley with combat boots on his feet and no rules.. :bye:




The kicks of these trained fighters, you wouldn't ever get a chance to throw a single punch.

Kicks to the legs would collaspe most people limbs, kicks to the body would break ribs and a kick to the head would be instant KO.

It's just a whole different game.


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Asante]
    #11472173 - 11/17/09 07:54 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

i'm not familiar with that breaking style, but i think i might be good at it...


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: canid]
    #11472714 - 11/17/09 11:25 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Black belt kikckboxing :smile:


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Re: are you experienced with martial/self defense arts? [Re: Asante]
    #11472992 - 11/17/09 12:43 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

STAL bc not sure about boxing.

The last thing you want from me is a crack to the jaw because you're done; the last thing I want is a quick little fucker that can get fifty filthy little hits in before I have enough room to take him down.

You little bastards :shakefist:

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