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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1149479 - 12/17/02 02:31 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

The premise behind your questions is a faulty one.

The brain is not synonymous with the mind.

Reductio ad absurdum.


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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: ]
    #1149494 - 12/17/02 02:36 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Reductio ad absurdum.

Why do phrases have more import when quoted in Latin?

Cogito ergo zoom.



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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: ]
    #1149516 - 12/17/02 02:43 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I've thought about the mind/brain duality problem for a long time.I think the mind creates the universe and the universe doesn't actually have any "existence" outside of it.I know almost nothing about philosophy.Is there a name for this belief?


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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: ]
    #1149555 - 12/17/02 03:04 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

The brain is not synonymous with the mind.

Yes!  Precisely!!!  So if you create duplicate brains, have you created duplicate minds as well?  And are those minds ?you???  Or can only one of them be you???

I?m trying to bring the subject back to the original thread topic, which I believe was very deep:  "Do you believe that YOU are your brain".  Or are YOU your mind?  Or are YOU your soul?  What exactly are YOU????? (ok maybe I've expanded the original question a little)  :grin:   


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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: Murex]
    #1149651 - 12/17/02 03:38 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think its possible to completely lose one's ego and actually remember what happened.... I believe the act of "recording" something into memory requires the ego to organize and place the thoughts.. but hey I'm certainly not sure :smile:


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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: Nomad]
    #1149684 - 12/17/02 03:52 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

goooood point "Of course, that doesn't mean that your brain is created by your mind. In fact, your brain is created by my mind, too." hmmm... well.... to me... my brain is created by my mind... but i suppose to "me", everything is... hmm... i like this thread.


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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: ]
    #1149703 - 12/17/02 03:58 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

In reply to:

But I do not exist.

Very nice answer. Please don't be offended if some of us do exist and know it.

There are several things I with with absolute certitude. My existence as an individual is one of them.




What I mean by that is that my belief is that the seperate "I" that we are all familiar with, is a delusion. Sure, there is indeed something in here that's self-aware, but I believe it to be an illusion. I can understand however, where your certitude that "you" exist comes from... i think that the self is the ego is a delusion, but that's just me... i think you're the type of person that could present a clear, logical case against what i'm saying though, and i'd be quite interested to hear it...


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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1149835 - 12/17/02 04:55 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

"What exactly are YOU?????"

Well I could answer that. Just not satisfactorly under the context of this thread...but I can come as close as i can. :smile:

*I* (or you) equals subjectivity and will. These are the things that would need to get transported into the my duplicate mind if you destroy my original body. So I definetly would be transported if these conditions were met.
I think We will never know with certainty whether Subjective experience is an emergent phenomina of the brain untill we can explain HOW the brain creates our perception of anything at all. BUt if someone destroys a certain part of my occiptal lobe, not only will I be unable to percieve color but I will be unable to *think* of color. I dont know about you, but that implies to me that my cortex is somehow responsible for the color in my thoughts and hence, in my mind and what I subjectively experience. I am not a neuroscientist (in a dream perhaps...) so i do not know how far this actually goes. From what ive read and heard...the connection between the brain and the mind go pretty far.

(i hope the above is legible. Please tell me if it isnt.)   

I?m trying to bring the subject back to the original thread topic
Than you. You did expand a bit. 

 


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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1149922 - 12/17/02 05:35 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Individuality is an illusion. "You" don't exist, and neither do "I." That's just your ego getting in the way of the truth. In reality, all is one.


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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1149975 - 12/17/02 05:58 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Individuality is an illusion. "You" don't exist, and neither do "I." That's just your ego getting in the way of the truth. In reality, all is one.

Uhhhh, ok.  Care to back up what you just said with ANY kind of reasoning?  How did you come to that conclusion?  :confused: 


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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: i am e goldstein]
    #1149985 - 12/17/02 06:02 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Bummer Goldstien!  I was really interested to hear how "energy" has anything to do with this!  :smirk: 


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    #1150313 - 12/17/02 09:09 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: Swami]
    #1150389 - 12/17/02 10:18 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I only have time for one answer on this one so it might as well be yours.

The desiderata resides in the id quo not the id quod or as some have said being qua being. If this is clear we can proceed.


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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1150441 - 12/17/02 11:54 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Suppose that an exact copy of your brain was made and put into another body and your existing brain were destroyed.
1) Would "you" be in the new body, or would someone else (it would certainly think it was you, but is it)? and
2) If the old brain weren't destroyed, are there two you's?

1. Yes, I would be in the new body since I am in every body in this planet, no exclusions!
2. No, there is only One - this idea of a separate self is just an illusion.
No man is an island. (though since its a very persistent illusion, IT IS ALSO real - but only in the context of ego-based life)
Our separateness is wonderful and has created many beautiful things..
The whole "meaning " of this creation, is to have the separateness in order to see ourself from "the outside"...


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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: David_Scape]
    #1150541 - 12/18/02 01:56 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

we are what we think ... we are the imagination of ourself ... yes, we act our brains ... BUT ... we ARE just energy ... shut of the brain ...

... don't THINK ... BE ...


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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: LucidDreams]
    #1150562 - 12/18/02 02:13 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Suppose that an exact copy of your brain was made and put into another body and your existing brain were destroyed.

Have you gone to see "The Hot Chick?"

The answer is mostly yes, if all previous memories were preserved. Basically, "we" are the software overlaid on the hardware. Does Windows 2000 crash the same way on one Compaq 8000 model as on another with the same configuration? Yes!

The mostly comes in, in that a good part of our self perception is our body, so if the body were different, "we" would be different.


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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: ]
    #1150563 - 12/18/02 02:15 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

The desiderata resides in the id quo not the id quod

"Go placidly amid the noise and haste. Find what peace there may be in Ben & Jerry's Cherry Garcia"

Non sequitarium absurdum.


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Edited by Swami (12/18/02 02:16 AM)


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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: LucidDreams]
    #1150631 - 12/18/02 03:18 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

this idea of a separate self is just an illusion

Uhhhh, ok. That's the same answer Silversoul gave.  Care to back up what you just said with ANY kind of reasoning? How did you come to that conclusion?  :confused: 


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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: i am e goldstein]
    #1150683 - 12/18/02 03:52 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for taking another shot at explaining why you believe you are more energy than mind.  I think you made it clear at the end of the post:

as an individual, i am my mind....
as a creature of the world, i'm energy... by the way, i believe this is the nature of the "soul" that is always referred to by one group or another....


Let me see if I got your conclusion correct - that the ?you? is just an illusion and that we are really all one???  :tongue: 


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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: Swami]
    #1151581 - 12/18/02 09:54 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

The answer is mostly yes, blah... blah... blah... Windows 2000... blah... blah... blah... Compaq 8000... blah... blah... configuration? Yes!

the computer scientist inside you is talking way too much, shut the fucker up


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