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OfflineMurex
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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: David_Scape]
    #1146331 - 12/16/02 04:00 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I kinda don't fully understand the question, but let me say this-

I have a brain that thinks. The mind is different than the brain, imo. The information inside my brain makes up my mind, and my soul has an imprint of my mind.

Does that answer the question?  :confused:


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


Edited by Murex (12/16/02 04:01 PM)

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OfflineStrumpling
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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: Murex]
    #1146377 - 12/16/02 04:14 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

seems to be a consensus that its experience that makes the person, and simple growth and reproduction that makes the brain and the body?


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OfflineMurex
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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1146483 - 12/16/02 04:41 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I guess so.


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


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OfflineLucidDreams
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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: Sclorch]
    #1147533 - 12/17/02 01:34 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

In my opinion our information-based selves are much vaster then the brain
The brain is just this simple device put into the psysical body to recieve and process information into an understandable language..
Its like the radio, we live in this vast gigantic morphogenetic field comprised totally of information, the brain is the physical machinery (the radio) letting us "tap into" this field of information (the radio waves)...
We all in our own exclusive way use this field and "store" data locally, and are therefore able to have "memorys" and such...
But if we were to drop this notion of the self, we could acctually have access to ALL the information available in this field, meaning : the entire "Human Database" or Collective Uncounscious...
Then to entertain this notion further we could even begin tapping into non-local information...  (since information isnt bounded to time and space -- i.e bell space)..
This means that we could tap into ALL the information EVERYWHERE  in every time, ie, the "future" and the "past"...
And therefore also communicate with alien civilisations and such...

Eat a healthy dose of psilocybians and entertain this notion for a while...  :wink:
Peace and Love!

 

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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: LucidDreams]
    #1147715 - 12/17/02 03:36 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

The brain is just this simple device put into the psysical body...

I can't but snicker at this remark...



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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: David_Scape]
    #1147770 - 12/17/02 04:09 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

The self is the brain

The not self is something else.


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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: David_Scape]
    #1148012 - 12/17/02 06:01 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

The brain is what gives us our individual selves. But we are more than ourselves. We are all part of the same oneness, the Atman.


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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: LucidDreams]
    #1148056 - 12/17/02 06:15 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Welcome to the Shroomery and SPS! :smile:

That was a great post.  I completely disagree with it but it still was great!

Post with us anytime.  :smile:

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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: ]
    #1148252 - 12/17/02 07:19 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

"I" am something my brain tricks itself into seeing.  But I do not exist.  I am a part of something which was never born and will never die.  I am energy in motion.  I am every peice of food I've ever eaten.  I am the rain and the sun that fell on the fields, and the farmers that tended them, and the food they ate.  I am typing.  I am 70% water... some of it is dinosaur piss... some of it is from the blood you spilt when you were 6 and scraped your knee.... some of it was in the amazon 10 months ago.  I am stardust.  This mind of mine is something my brain produces, just as my mind produces my brain... but it is not me.  :grin:

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OfflineGoBlue!
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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: LucidDreams]
    #1148291 - 12/17/02 07:36 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

But if we were to drop this notion of the self, we could acctually have access to ALL the information available in this field, meaning : the entire "Human Database" or Collective Uncounscious...




Ok, I'm ready "to drop this notion of the self."  If you really know what you're talking about, please tell me how one would go about doing this.  :wink: 


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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: David_Scape]
    #1148345 - 12/17/02 07:53 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

My brain is created by my mind.

Of course, that doesn't mean that your brain is created by your mind.

In fact, your brain is created by my mind, too.  :wink: 

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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: ]
    #1148385 - 12/17/02 08:07 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Eloquent.


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OfflineLucidDreams
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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: nubious]
    #1148453 - 12/17/02 08:54 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

LOL nubious... :grin:
Well your right, its not THAT simple... but what is? :wink:

Well GoBlue! The funny thing about it is that is not something you "do" its more of a happening...
I'm sure you know that many different "techniques" and such have been developed during the ages to "drop the ego" or "drop the mind"...
I would say its not a "doing" because the action of "doing" requires a "doer" and therefor is bound to the whole thing again...  :smile:
Off course you could always eat a healthy dose of psilocybians (5dried gram - lie down in dark room) to have some of this running trough the system... i  mean its a very hightech device to decondition yoursef from this culture and the "everyday constructs" of our minds...
Its not really about "loosing the "self" either, its more to discover what the self IS...
The SELF is NOT (well, dont flame me please, it IS if you want it to be and live in it, and such, but please bare with me) all the symbols we put through the mind and build "views" the world with..
The self is the blank piece of paper... as this beautiful man says in Liquid Crystal Vision (see if if you havent :wink: ) "you have to erase all these lines"...
And when you do.. well, you see the world.. "the truth is know in silence" as this beautiful man Terence Mckenna said....
Drop the constructs beeing fed to us constantly (beware THIS is also a construct - decondition yourselfs from it as quick as you can)...
lets find the freedom that exists in the space between the thoughts... 
Its a window to the self...

Haha, I'm just repeating old paradigm stuff..
Lets do an exercise:

View the world trough this for a moment:
YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING!

Easy eh? :wink:

:grin: :grin:

 

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OfflineMurex
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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1148476 - 12/17/02 09:05 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Haven't you ever lost your ego?


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


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OfflineGoBlue!
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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: LucidDreams]
    #1148525 - 12/17/02 09:19 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the reply Lucid.  But I'm more confused now than ever.  :confused:

So just answer me this:  has anyone ever accessed the entire "Human Database" or Collective Uncounscious..."???  Was it while on 5g psilocybins in a dark room???  Was it only a temporary effect??? 


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OfflineMurex
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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1148543 - 12/17/02 09:24 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

So just answer me this: has anyone ever accessed the entire "Human Database" or Collective Uncounscious..."??? Was it while on 5g psilocybins in a dark room??? Was it only a temporary effect???

I became one with god (or 'god') for a short while and later was able to remember everything I have ever done in this life. I became more empathic and I could read people's emotions by looking in their eyes.

I doubt any human brain is capable of taking back everything accessed while on a level 5 trip.


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


Edited by Murex (12/17/02 09:27 AM)

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OfflineGoBlue!
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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: Murex]
    #1148566 - 12/17/02 09:32 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Hmmmm, I've never done level 5 before. So I'm not really qualified to respond.


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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: LucidDreams]
    #1148604 - 12/17/02 09:47 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Nice post Lucid. Interesting line I heard from a brain scientist once was "There isn't a shred of evidence that the brain creates consciousness".


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OfflineDavid_Scape
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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1148636 - 12/17/02 09:57 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Well, we can do things to the brain to make you loose consciousness, and we can do things to the brain that makes you change consciousness. I understand this doesnt explain how the brain creates consciousness but it certianly connects the two very closely. Perhaps one day will find such evidence?


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Offline3eyedgod
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Re: Do you belive you are your brain? [Re: David_Scape]
    #1148648 - 12/17/02 10:01 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I the ego am a brain

I (we) the essence am (are) consciousness, formless form


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Without everything wouldn't nothing be everything and without nothing wouldn't everything be nothing.I am the beginning and the end,the source and the void, the light and the darkness,i am but a small drop of the ocean yet i am an ocean unto myself

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