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Anonymous #1
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Is this illegal? Theft/fraud?
#11448842 - 11/13/09 04:02 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hypothetically, Person brings plants/flowers into a florist and gets 'credit'. Person then proceeds to use this 'credit' in exchange for Item. No money is involved or passes hands. A this-for-that situation.
Person then takes Item and returns it to an entirely different type of store that carries it. Person "lost the receipt and is very certain they got it here". A gift card is given in a no-receipt return. Person uses the card to purchase things at a different store location.
Would this be considered theft? Fraud?
Item returned would theoretically be less than $200.
Please don't preach morals, values or "theft tax". Hypothetical Person is unemployed, and purchasing such things as diapers, baby formula, groceries, hygiene products, etc. while still not making ends meet at home. Just trying to survive because he or she is not receiving child support from a deadbeat.
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Re: Is this illegal? Theft/fraud? [Re: Anonymous #1]
#11449088 - 11/13/09 04:48 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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The part where you take an item to a store and claim you bought it there when you had not is fraud. After xmas you just say it was a gift and they told you they bought it there, this is not considered fraud. It's very unlikely to get into any trouble in the first scenario but it could happen. It would be hard for them to prove you didn't buy it there if it's the same thing they carry. What they watch for is repeats of the same thing. They will almost certainly ask for id.
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Anonymous #1
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Re: Is this illegal? Theft/fraud? [Re: Stonehenge]
#11450309 - 11/13/09 08:11 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Weak.
Thank you very much.
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Re: Is this illegal? Theft/fraud? [Re: Anonymous #1]
#11473687 - 11/17/09 01:04 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sounds like fraud. Where do the plants/flowers come from?
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Re: Is this illegal? Theft/fraud? [Re: WildRover]
#11473829 - 11/17/09 01:28 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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What you are suggesting is generally considered "theft through deception". Depending where you are it could also be fraud or grand theft if the amount is large enough.
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