Home | Community | Message Board

Out-Grow.com - Mushroom Growing Kits & Supplies
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4  [ show all ]
InvisibledeCypher
 User Gallery


Registered: 02/10/08
Posts: 56,232
Magical Police Force
    #11448292 - 11/13/09 02:39 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Let's assume for the purposes of this post that magick exists.  Being amoral in and of itself, the morality of magick therefore depends upon the morality of the magician.  It is therefore quite likely that there exist black magicians or brujos who employ magick to advance their own interests before the interests of other people: the manifestation of power without compassion.  Since it is clear that the majority of us do not wish to have our free will violated by such transgressors, it would make sense if the few of us wishing to serve the whole and gifted with the power to perform magick would band together to track down power-hungry metaphysical murderers, wanton curse-throwers, demon-possessed witches, remorseless energy vampires, etcetera to stop their acts of terror on an unsuspecting public.  We do exactly the same thing in the material world with detectives and a police force; why not to help defend against spiritual evil?

I have never heard of any magickal orders devoted to this.  You would think that such a force for the good of society would want to publicize themselves and the destructive persons they've caught; nothing like showing that harmful actions will not be tolerated to strike fear into the hearts of evildoers and show young, budding black magicians that crime, even if it is spiritual, does not pay.  Does a society like this exist?


--------------------
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAlteredAgain
Visual Alchemist
 User Gallery


Registered: 04/27/06
Posts: 11,181
Loc: Solar Circuit
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11448513 - 11/13/09 03:09 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Interesting idea. I know not of such a society but wouldn't rule out the possibility that such a force exists in unorganized form amongst good people aware of their own power.

Wouldn't a magical police force, given it existed as a public entity, committed to the arrest of ill-intended black mages, be susceptible to its own corruption of politics? Who controls the controller?


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibledeCypher
 User Gallery


Registered: 02/10/08
Posts: 56,232
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #11448597 - 11/13/09 03:21 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

AlteredAgain said:
Interesting idea. I know not of such a society but wouldn't rule out the possibility that such a force exists in unorganized form amongst good people aware of their own power.




I agree.  Vigilante justice seems to be inferior to organized justice, though.

Quote:

AlteredAgain said:
Wouldn't a magical police force, given it existed as a public entity, committed to the arrest of ill-intended black mages, be susceptible to its own corruption of politics? Who controls the controller?




Presumably it would always be possible for the police force to become corrupted, but I would assume with the advanced level of empathy, honesty, and openness that the white mages would employ that it would be rather difficult for any one to try to seize power.  There probably would have to be something set up akin to the Department of Internal Affairs in this institution, but the risk of corruption is more than offset by the reward of protecting the vast numbers of unwitting humanity who are preyed upon by these hidden forces.


--------------------
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAlteredAgain
Visual Alchemist
 User Gallery


Registered: 04/27/06
Posts: 11,181
Loc: Solar Circuit
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11448696 - 11/13/09 03:35 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

deCypher said:
Presumably it would always be possible for the police force to become corrupted, but I would assume with the advanced level of empathy, honesty, and openness that the white mages would employ that it would be rather difficult for any one to try to seize power.  There probably would have to be something set up akin to the Department of Internal Affairs in this institution, but the risk of corruption is more than offset by the reward of protecting the vast numbers of unwitting humanity who are preyed upon by these hidden forces.




Sounds plausible. It is true in my own experience that a state of empathy leaves no desire for personal gain. As above, so below, this can be true for a collective as well. I think the structure of this emphatic police force would likely be holistic in nature as opposed to hierarchical. Instead of a pyramid compartmentalizing itself, leaving every level below with less knowledge than the above, a holistic structure could look something like the flower of life, with its intersecting spheres, each containing the whole in its parts. All knowledge is with each unit, no person is acting out of isolation. Interdependence is rule.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAlteredAgain
Visual Alchemist
 User Gallery


Registered: 04/27/06
Posts: 11,181
Loc: Solar Circuit
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11448703 - 11/13/09 03:37 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

deCypher said:
I agree.  Vigilante justice seems to be inferior to organized justice, though.




Yes, especially when you're going up against an already organized power.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblerebus_minus
Registered: 05/15/09
Posts: 667
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #11448721 - 11/13/09 03:39 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

So then I guess the black magicians in such a world would eventually end up destroying themselves if they took it too far. Maybe not destruction, but it would at least show a tendency to backfire.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMagick
Thinker
 User Gallery

Registered: 01/25/09
Posts: 846
Last seen: 5 years, 9 months
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: rebus_minus]
    #11448757 - 11/13/09 03:45 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I exist =)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibledeCypher
 User Gallery


Registered: 02/10/08
Posts: 56,232
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: rebus_minus]
    #11448916 - 11/13/09 04:16 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

rebus_minus said:
So then I guess the black magicians in such a world would eventually end up destroying themselves if they took it too far. Maybe not destruction, but it would at least show a tendency to backfire.




Right; the more you push on others the more likely it is that you'll get shoved back.

Quote:

Magick said:
I exist =)




:lol:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblerebus_minus
Registered: 05/15/09
Posts: 667
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11449517 - 11/13/09 05:59 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

James the Just will weigh it up. :grin:

But at least when we fully focus on peace, we are in peace.

And hung up in anger we are in anger (a drain and a pain that grows old fast).


Edited by rebus_minus (11/13/09 06:52 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDimensionX
King of Birds
Male

Registered: 09/26/07
Posts: 5,486
Loc: Australia Flag
Last seen: 2 years, 1 day
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11449765 - 11/13/09 06:43 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I believe we would have to wear capes. It would surely descend into mad zealotry on our part, but that would just be part of ride.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineNevyn
Elven Ninja
Male

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 21
Loc: Wanderer
Last seen: 14 years, 13 days
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: DimensionX]
    #11450057 - 11/13/09 07:27 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I'd Say Silence Among Secrets for such a policing force.
and I'm quite sure if you looked on the aether where such battles must take place, there will be some sort of equivalent to a neon billboard.  Can you hide such a massively good aura?


--------------------
Hold infinity in the palm of your hand
And eternity in an hour. ~WB

~~In the Thoughts they occured in the order they happened to be


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDimensionX
King of Birds
Male

Registered: 09/26/07
Posts: 5,486
Loc: Australia Flag
Last seen: 2 years, 1 day
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: Nevyn]
    #11450131 - 11/13/09 07:41 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I think its better to concentrate on healing the innocent rather than punishing the guilty. Its a more beautiful art form and will probably lead to better results in the long run. Conflict tends to breed more conflict and people with a strong immune system should be more than a match for most psychic attacks.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAlteredAgain
Visual Alchemist
 User Gallery


Registered: 04/27/06
Posts: 11,181
Loc: Solar Circuit
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: DimensionX]
    #11450143 - 11/13/09 07:44 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Wise words. :japsmile:


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleKrishnaDreamer
I bleed nicotine...
Male User Gallery

Registered: 09/23/07
Posts: 4,132
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: DimensionX]
    #11450154 - 11/13/09 07:45 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

i remember when i was like 17 or 18, when i was learning about spirituality and all that jazz- one day i very distinctly heard (in my head) from an outside source ask, "will you join the warriors of light?" or something to that effect. i was home alone and it was the one and only time i've had that kind of experience sober.

i've also had some weird experiences as a "fallower of jesus" and liberating souls from the depths of hell.

also have had other weird experiences psycho-battling humans in "reality" as well.

in short, my personal belief is that there are metaphysicians working for the benefit and detriment to mankind. i wouldn't consider myself any kind of magician either.


--------------------
Everybody's a ninja...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibledeCypher
 User Gallery


Registered: 02/10/08
Posts: 56,232
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: DimensionX]
    #11450213 - 11/13/09 07:55 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

DimensionX said:
I believe we would have to wear capes. It would surely descend into mad zealotry on our part, but that would just be part of ride.




Fuck yeah.  Rippling capes would of course be mandatory.

Quote:

DimensionX said:
I think its better to concentrate on healing the innocent rather than punishing the guilty. Its a more beautiful art form and will probably lead to better results in the long run. Conflict tends to breed more conflict and people with a strong immune system should be more than a match for most psychic attacks.




The focus wouldn't be on punishing the guilty, but rather making sure that the guilty can't harm the innocent in the future... I imagine binding spells would be used for instance.  I just think the pacifist approach gives evil free reign; after all evil prevails best when good men do nothing.  Imagine the chaos that would ensue if we abolished the entire police force and just funded hospitals, which is essentially what you're suggesting.  If we assume that magicians can be powerful healers then we must also assume that magicians can be powerful cursers; teaching good magickal self defense is of course a must but I'm extremely doubtful a strong immune system would be enough to cope against a powerful black mage.


--------------------
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineNevyn
Elven Ninja
Male

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 21
Loc: Wanderer
Last seen: 14 years, 13 days
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: DimensionX]
    #11450234 - 11/13/09 07:59 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Any problems with the Healing or Conversion of the Guilty?
But then again would there then be another force who guide the magick police, the Deter-Miners? For I am sure that there somewhere are a force I may consider evil, who from their own point of view would see me as the evil one.  I certainly do not want them and their psi-police


--------------------
Hold infinity in the palm of your hand
And eternity in an hour. ~WB

~~In the Thoughts they occured in the order they happened to be


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibledeCypher
 User Gallery


Registered: 02/10/08
Posts: 56,232
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: Nevyn]
    #11450285 - 11/13/09 08:07 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Nevyn said:
For I am sure that there somewhere are a force I may consider evil, who from their own point of view would see me as the evil one.




As popular as moral relativism is, there are still some actions that the world as a whole can agree are immoral.  I roughly envision an enforcing of the Golden Rule: do unto others as you would have them do unto you.  No one of us appreciates having our free will violated, either through murder or theft of energy (vampirism).  Torturing others for enjoyment of their pain is also an action no one would want performed on themselves.  Thus we can come to some agreement about what actions are and are not permitted in our magickal society.


--------------------
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAlteredAgain
Visual Alchemist
 User Gallery


Registered: 04/27/06
Posts: 11,181
Loc: Solar Circuit
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11450302 - 11/13/09 08:10 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

A strong immune system lays a strong foundation for cultivating self-defense. Body is temple.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDimensionX
King of Birds
Male

Registered: 09/26/07
Posts: 5,486
Loc: Australia Flag
Last seen: 2 years, 1 day
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11450311 - 11/13/09 08:12 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

deCypher said:
Quote:

DimensionX said:
I believe we would have to wear capes. It would surely descend into mad zealotry on our part, but that would just be part of ride.




Fuck yeah.  Rippling capes would of course be mandatory.

Quote:

DimensionX said:
I think its better to concentrate on healing the innocent rather than punishing the guilty. Its a more beautiful art form and will probably lead to better results in the long run. Conflict tends to breed more conflict and people with a strong immune system should be more than a match for most psychic attacks.




The focus wouldn't be on punishing the guilty, but rather making sure that the guilty can't harm the innocent in the future... I imagine binding spells would be used for instance.  I just think the pacifist approach gives evil free reign; after all evil prevails best when good men do nothing.  Imagine the chaos that would ensue if we abolished the entire police force and just funded hospitals, which is essentially what you're suggesting.  If we assume that magicians can be powerful healers then we must also assume that magicians can be powerful cursers; teaching good magickal self defense is of course a must but I'm extremely doubtful a strong immune system would be enough to cope against a powerful black mage.




I think of it as a holistic approach to healing rather than a pacifist approach. The healed person will be full of the energies of life and able to use this incredible power to smash through obstacles put in their way. If one of these obstacles happens to be a psychic parasite, they will have the energy to blast through it. So in that way the healed deal with the guilty.

But i can definitely see how it would be useful to have some people dedicated to a more militaristic approach. If they have the necessary level of attainment to be able engage in this battle without being consumed by it.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineNevyn
Elven Ninja
Male

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 21
Loc: Wanderer
Last seen: 14 years, 13 days
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11450415 - 11/13/09 08:29 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

deCypher said:

  Thus we can come to some agreement about what actions are and are not permitted in our magickal society.



and for the other dimensions and universes overlaying ours where the laws of order may be other than the ones that govern ours..?
I do agree, I just pose the question.


--------------------
Hold infinity in the palm of your hand
And eternity in an hour. ~WB

~~In the Thoughts they occured in the order they happened to be


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinejivJaN
yes
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/09/08
Posts: 4,245
Last seen: 10 years, 9 months
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11450449 - 11/13/09 08:35 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

dont work like that.
they dont violate free will.

they trick you into agreeing.
that part is most of the magic.

i would rather dismantle such a police order than the 'spiritual evil' you speak of.

they teach us something very valuable.


--------------------



---------------------

All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibledeCypher
 User Gallery


Registered: 02/10/08
Posts: 56,232
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: jivJaN]
    #11450501 - 11/13/09 08:44 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Nevyn said:
and for the other dimensions and universes overlaying ours where the laws of order may be other than the ones that govern ours..?
I do agree, I just pose the question.




Different universes would require different laws.  I'm mainly concerned about the one we live in.  :smile:

Quote:

jivJaN said:
they dont violate free will.




Yes, higher order angelic beings and/or extraterrestrials don't violate free will.  This is because they want us to learn from our own mistakes; to take matters into our own hands rather than wait for external salvation.  God helps those who help themselves, as the old saying goes.  Fortunately we have the chance to help ourselves, and we can do so by preventing further suffering on this world.  The most efficient way to do this is to bind or stop the evildoers.

Quote:

jivJaN said:
i would rather dismantle such a police order than the 'spiritual evil' you speak of.

they teach us something very valuable.




This I just can't understand.  To take an analogy, you would dismantle the mundane police force just so a pedophile can teach us 'something valuable' by continuing to rape and torture little children?  Free will is going to continue to be violated here; it's just a question of whether it'll be the free will of the innocent or the free will of the evildoer.  I choose the latter because I don't like to see suffering around me.

You're correct in that evil teaches us something very valuable, BTW.  It teaches us that we have a chance to get rid of it.  :mushroom2:


--------------------
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineNevyn
Elven Ninja
Male

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 21
Loc: Wanderer
Last seen: 14 years, 13 days
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11450577 - 11/13/09 08:53 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

deCypher said:

Different universes would require different laws.  I'm mainly concerned about the one we live in.  :smile:





Yes but if to get to said evildoer behind all manor of psychic screens it may be easier to dip into another dimension and pop up
behind him/her/it/them before/during/after. If that is the case, then even for a fraction of an instant the rules of that place may apply. 

But all that aside.  If rippling capes are involved then a handshake must certainly be created


--------------------
Hold infinity in the palm of your hand
And eternity in an hour. ~WB

~~In the Thoughts they occured in the order they happened to be


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinejivJaN
yes
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/09/08
Posts: 4,245
Last seen: 10 years, 9 months
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11450613 - 11/13/09 08:59 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

gaps


Quote:

Yes, higher order angelic beings and/or extraterrestrials don't violate free will.  This is because they want us to learn from our own mistakes; to take matters into our own hands rather than wait for external salvation.




one of these beings is you. we will call him mega-me.

Quote:

This I just can't understand.  To take an analogy, you would dismantle the mundane police force just so a pedophile can teach us 'something valuable' by continuing to rape and torture little children?




mega-me made it happen.
you agreed.
then you were born.
then you got it up the butt.
it hurt.

you ever watch the fountain ?
lol


--------------------



---------------------

All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibledeCypher
 User Gallery


Registered: 02/10/08
Posts: 56,232
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: jivJaN]
    #11450734 - 11/13/09 09:20 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

jivJaN said:
mega-me made it happen.
you agreed.
then you were born.
then you got it up the butt.
it hurt.




You can't believe this and at the same time believe in free will.  Either my experiences have already been determined or I along with the rest of humanity still have the chance to choose our destinies.  Evil is not caused by a predetermined agreement; evil is caused by the free will of the attacker in choosing to violate my own.  If we have a choice between choosing a future filled with suffering and a future filled with happiness, the choice is logical: we should prevent suffering.

Presumably you want to avoid violations of free will (this is what separates the positive polarity from the negative, after all).  Either countless numbers of children will continue to have their free will violated by being raped and tortured by the pedophile, or we can put an end to his reign of terror by violating his.  He made the choice to manipulate so now we can fairly and justly manipulate him (ironic how it usually ends up working this way).

Belief that all suffering was somehow previously agreed to only gives license for evil to walk all over us.  I'd rather believe that I have the power to determine my own destiny and make the world a better place.  My mega-me wants me to stick up for others.  How about yours?


--------------------
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDimensionX
King of Birds
Male

Registered: 09/26/07
Posts: 5,486
Loc: Australia Flag
Last seen: 2 years, 1 day
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: jivJaN]
    #11450763 - 11/13/09 09:25 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Of course they can violate free will. A human has no problem violating another beings free will and humans are involved here. Not to mention the possibility of other types of beings who are most likely just as free to preform these actions as we are.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinejivJaN
yes
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/09/08
Posts: 4,245
Last seen: 10 years, 9 months
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11450922 - 11/13/09 09:48 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Either my experiences have already been determined or I along with the rest of humanity still have the chance to choose our destinies.




this !

stop there..

think about that one.

it takes a really fucked up understanding of how "time" works to see that it really isn't one or the other ..




Quote:

You can't believe this and at the same time believe in free will.




the question is..
WHOS will is FREE ?
who are you ?

lets assume that all the cells of your body are conscious... and you commit suicide :smile:

its kinda funny ya know..

the troubles and problems we obsess with..

as compassionate as  i can be..
sometimes i tend to look at everything in ,what seems to others,  very bizarre way , although it makes perfect sense to me.

there are no mistakes.



tonights special : Salsa .. and confusion.


--------------------



---------------------

All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibledeCypher
 User Gallery


Registered: 02/10/08
Posts: 56,232
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: jivJaN]
    #11451177 - 11/13/09 10:30 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

jivJaN said:
it takes a really fucked up understanding of how "time" works to see that it really isn't one or the other




Even if everything has been set in stone, even if all we have is the illusion of free will... we still have to act as if we have free will.  Every day you consciously make choices; even if you choose not to do anything you've still made that choice.  And if we have the choice between two potential future scenarios, one with suffering and the other with happiness, I along with the majority of healthy human beings will choose the scenario without suffering. 

I choose to stop other human beings from willfully causing others to suffer.  Perhaps my choice has already been made, and nobody is really responsible for their actions, but nonetheless I have to make a decision whether or not I will stop an evildoer.

Quote:

jivJaN said:
there are no mistakes




Of course there are mistakes.  It was a mistake for me to drive drunk and kill an innocent woman.  It was a mistake for me not to call the cops on a rapist when I had the chance.  It was a mistake for me not to use proper safety precautions when handling that chainsaw.  And so on and on.  You can derive great meaning from your own suffering and the suffering of those around you if you want, and you can choose not to interfere or help anybody else because you believe it was all meant to happen, but I choose to give myself responsibility for my actions even if ultimately I don't have any.  Sometimes bad things happen because of stupid decisions, and I'll do what I can to prevent further bad things from happening in the future.  If we all agreed to this before incarnating, then I already agreed to help others and stop evil.

All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.


--------------------
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineyeah
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/08/09
Posts: 3,729
Last seen: 1 month, 20 days
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11452389 - 11/14/09 07:18 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

you have my bow


--------------------


Edited by yeah (11/14/09 08:31 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinejivJaN
yes
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/09/08
Posts: 4,245
Last seen: 10 years, 9 months
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11452934 - 11/14/09 10:08 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:


Even if everything has been set in stone, even if all we have is the illusion of free will... we still have to act as if we have free will.




sure


Quote:

I choose to stop other human beings from willfully causing others to suffer.




sure..

but if you knew just how much of the suffering we cause without even knowing , you would have to stop EVERYBODY.

not to mention the whole lot of those people willfully causing suffering , whilst being utterly convinced that they are doing 'good'

Quote:

If we all agreed to this before incarnating, then I already agreed to help others and stop evil.




thats exactly how you would think , no matter what you do.
and..
theres no mistake in doing that either.


i used the example of your body in the case of suicide.
if you think that all the cells are conscious ..
are you willfully causing them to suffer a horrible death ?

at first glance.. one gets the idea that free will absolutely is a myth.
but look further..
you will see that there only ever was - your will.

we need chronic777  up in this beotch !
:rofl:


--------------------



---------------------

All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMycomyth
Demented Avenger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/19/06
Posts: 341
Loc: At the crux of the matter...
Last seen: 7 years, 10 months
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11452954 - 11/14/09 10:12 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

deCypher said:

Even if everything has been set in stone, even if all we have is the illusion of free will... we still have to act as if we have free will.
 
...but I choose to give myself responsibility for my actions even if ultimately I don't have any. 




Don Juan said to Carlos something to the effect of....

"A Warrior sometimes has no idea what he is doing. Yet his every thought and action is performed as if he knew EXACTLY what he were doing."

This is from memory, and may not be a verbatim quote, but the gist remains.

M


--------------------
Wave upon wave of demented avengers marched cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleBridgeburner
Not spiritual at all.
Male


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/16/06
Posts: 20,010
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: Mycomyth]
    #11452974 - 11/14/09 10:17 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

it does not. there's no reason it would. magicians are individuals who would not band together for such a common goal as to track down another magician. the "police" itself would be black or "evil", taking down the competition for more power.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinejivJaN
yes
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/09/08
Posts: 4,245
Last seen: 10 years, 9 months
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: Mycomyth]
    #11452975 - 11/14/09 10:17 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

it was the heeeeeeaaaat ooooooof the mooooooomeeeent


:rofl:


--------------------



---------------------

All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMycomyth
Demented Avenger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/19/06
Posts: 341
Loc: At the crux of the matter...
Last seen: 7 years, 10 months
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11452985 - 11/14/09 10:18 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

deCypher said:
...to take matters into our own hands rather than wait for external salvation. 





I've come to understand that there is no 'external salvation'.
-edit- Clarification....Salvation is external, but must be initiated internally.

"Who will save your soul?"
Jewel


M


--------------------
Wave upon wave of demented avengers marched cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream.


Edited by Mycomyth (11/14/09 12:21 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblec0sm0nautt
Male User Gallery
Registered: 05/19/08
Posts: 10,303
Loc: The Astral Realm
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11453016 - 11/14/09 10:24 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

deCypher said:

You can't believe this and at the same time believe in free will. 




Wouldn't an infinite number of parallel Universes allow for both determinism and free will co-exist?

Every choice you could ever make is mapped out before you, yet you choose which path to take. Your internal vibrational frequency mirrors the world you are choosing to live in?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMycomyth
Demented Avenger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/19/06
Posts: 341
Loc: At the crux of the matter...
Last seen: 7 years, 10 months
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #11453023 - 11/14/09 10:26 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

b0red5tiff said:
it does not. there's no reason it would. magicians are individuals who would not band together for such a common goal as to track down another magician. the "police" itself would be black or "evil", taking down the competition for more power.




Did you mean this reply to my post?
Because I agree with you...no Warrior would dare to infringe upon another like that, unless the action or will of the other was directed at himself. Then all bets are off.

M


--------------------
Wave upon wave of demented avengers marched cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleBridgeburner
Not spiritual at all.
Male


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/16/06
Posts: 20,010
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: Mycomyth]
    #11453031 - 11/14/09 10:27 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Mycomyth said:
Quote:

b0red5tiff said:
it does not. there's no reason it would. magicians are individuals who would not band together for such a common goal as to track down another magician. the "police" itself would be black or "evil", taking down the competition for more power.




Did you mean this reply to my post?
Because I agree with you...no Warrior would dare to infringe upon another like that, unless the action or will of the other was directed at himself. Then all bets are off.

M



ahh no, it was a reply to the OP, didn't read any other posts before i posted my own.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMycomyth
Demented Avenger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/19/06
Posts: 341
Loc: At the crux of the matter...
Last seen: 7 years, 10 months
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #11453044 - 11/14/09 10:31 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Oh...ok. Sorry then. It's all good.

It's a self-policing structure, this glorious existence.

M


--------------------
Wave upon wave of demented avengers marched cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibledeCypher
 User Gallery


Registered: 02/10/08
Posts: 56,232
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: Mycomyth]
    #11453843 - 11/14/09 01:26 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

jivJaN said:
but if you knew just how much of the suffering we cause without even knowing , you would have to stop EVERYBODY.

not to mention the whole lot of those people willfully causing suffering , whilst being utterly convinced that they are doing 'good'




You're making a slippery slope here when there really isn't one.  Sure, most of us inadvertently cause suffering every once in a while.  Sure, there are the rare cases where a person is convinced he or she is doing good when instead they are really causing more suffering.  I'm not talking about these cases.  I'm talking about someone who enjoys murdering for the fun of it, someone who enjoys dominating other people's will in order to steal everything they have, someone who commits human sacrifice just to extend their own power.  These are clear cut examples where binding the aggressor will prevent more innocent victims from being terrorized, just like there are clear cut examples of murderers, thieves, and rapists whom it is our duty to find and arrest with our local police force.

Quote:

b0red5tiff said:
it does not. there's no reason it would. magicians are individuals who would not band together for such a common goal as to track down another magician. the "police" itself would be black or "evil", taking down the competition for more power.




Magicians tend to be individualistic, sure, but I see no reason why an order shouldn't exist to stop such magical atrocities as I've previously mentioned.  I've read quite a few accounts of covens temporarily banding together to bind a serial killer from continuing his rampage, for instance.  Corruption of the order is of course possible but I believe the benefits would far outweigh this possibility.  There's a reason why America shifted from Wild Wild West vigilantism to law and order.

Quote:

c0sm0nautt said:
Quote:

deCypher said:

You can't believe this and at the same time believe in free will. 




Wouldn't an infinite number of parallel Universes allow for both determinism and free will co-exist?

Every choice you could ever make is mapped out before you, yet you choose which path to take. Your internal vibrational frequency mirrors the world you are choosing to live in?




Yes, I think this might mirror reality pretty closely actually.  I was arguing against jivJaN's conception of what happens before my incarnation fixing in stone what happens during the incarnation.


Quote:

Mycomyth said:
no Warrior would dare to infringe upon another like that, unless the action or will of the other was directed at himself. Then all bets are off.




The problem with this is that magickal aggressors could potentially attack anyone the next time they go searching for a victim.  This is why we have a police force, so that we can pre-emptively stop a rapist or thief before they pick off another unsuspecting target.


--------------------
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleBridgeburner
Not spiritual at all.
Male


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/16/06
Posts: 20,010
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11453881 - 11/14/09 01:33 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Magicians tend to be individualistic, sure, but I see no reason why an order shouldn't exist to stop such magical atrocities as I've previously mentioned.  I've read quite a few accounts of covens temporarily banding together to bind a serial killer from continuing his rampage, for instance.  Corruption of the order is of course possible but I believe the benefits would far outweigh this possibility.  There's a reason why America shifted from Wild Wild West vigilantism to law and order.




i don't consider covens magicians. isn't a coven already a group of people working together (an organization)? i don't know what makes one a magician anyway and sounds like covens just pray together real hard through unconventional measures.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibledeCypher
 User Gallery


Registered: 02/10/08
Posts: 56,232
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #11453894 - 11/14/09 01:35 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

A coven is a group of witches who often work group magick together.  I'm considering anyone who does magick a magician.


--------------------
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinejivJaN
yes
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/09/08
Posts: 4,245
Last seen: 10 years, 9 months
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11454385 - 11/14/09 02:57 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

You're making a slippery slope here when there really isn't one.




but there is.

its all so relative.

who can be the judge of which crime is more horrendous ?

a guy gets dumped by his girlfriend , and goes on a crazy rampage kills 5 people and then himself.
whos to blame ?

the girl ?
him ?
love ?

:smile:

dont get me wrong..
i choose to exercise my will.
come to my house and try to steal , i will fuck you up.

but i dont like the idea that i have to alert the police instead of taking matters into my own hands.

do you know.. that in my home country
when someone breaks into your house , you are not allowed to shoot ,unless the perpetrator fires at you several times.

if he has a knife.
you cant shoot.
its homicide. 
in your own home !

that aside..

Quote:

I'm talking about someone who enjoys murdering for the fun of it



who is he ?
who is he murdering ?

Quote:

someone who enjoys dominating other people's will in order to steal everything they have, someone who commits human sacrifice just to extend their own power.




same question..

i understand what you are trying to say though..
im just taking it a little deeper.

a guy rapes a girl.
shes screaming NO
please dont.
oh my god.
please nooooo

hes thinking..
where is your god ?
why wont he come to save you ?
:uptosomething:

he is god at that moment.
or at least he thinks.

it is an empowering thought all by itself , along with the energy he takes from his victim.

im gonna get little graphic here for a second, if i haven't already.

1.
lets imagine that this rapist has a small penis.
his first sexual experience , he had no idea..
he thought he was fine.. never really looked at other guys dicks.
the girl he had sex with..
starts laughing..
hahahah.. i cant barely feel it !

he looses wood instantaneously.

2. the laughing girl  - 5 years ago.

having sex for her first time.
the guy is older.
he has a small penis too.. but it doesn't matter.
shes a virgin... it hurts.
she says slow down.
he doesn't give a shit.
keeps nailing her like a beast.
after hes done.. he says : wow
you could've bitched a lil more..
suck it up..
its sex.

3. the beast fucker - 5 years ago

his first sexual experience , he had no idea..
he thought he was fine.. never really looked at other guys dicks.
the girl he had sex with..
starts laughing..
hahahah.. i cant barely feel it !



dont you get it ?

the same force , is behind it all.
the same cancerous energy.

while i admit that i would take matters into my own hands if my own will was being violated..
at the same time.. i just CANNOT pass judgment.
i cant blame them.
its not their fault.

and you want to police them ?
which force would be  guiding you into that ?


--------------------



---------------------

All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibledeCypher
 User Gallery


Registered: 02/10/08
Posts: 56,232
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: jivJaN]
    #11454602 - 11/14/09 03:32 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

jivJaN said:
while i admit that i would take matters into my own hands if my own will was being violated..
at the same time.. i just CANNOT pass judgment.
i cant blame them.
its not their fault.




It's not about judgment.  I'm not classifying people as good or bad here.  Instead it's about the will of the majority; the desires of society made manifest.  Most people do not want to be murdered.  Thus we try to imprison murderers so they can't continue killing people.  Most people don't want to be raped, so we try to imprison rapists so they can't continue raping people.  And so on.

It doesn't matter why a person commits certain actions (although this is an interesting philosophical topic).  For the purposes of continued order in society, it matters that a person who commits a certain action is likely to do it again... and this we want to prevent.  I'm sure you can defend yourself against a single intruder who decided to break and enter into your house, but the reason why we have police is because having an organized group dedicated to tracking such people down means that criminals will be caught much more quickly and efficiently... not to mention that there are some people you just can't defend against on your own.  Try going up against the mob or any organized crime group by yourself--you can't.  You need protection from someone more capable than you, and besides you've got a life to live of your own.  Let the people who want to take care of the criminals... that's what police are for.

Harmful viruses and bacteria would grow unchecked in the body if it weren't for specialized cells that are dedicated to fighting them: the immune system.  The ordinary cell just can't defend against all agressors, and guess what you get when you remove the immune system like you suggest?  Cancer.

Quote:

jivJaN said:
and you want to police them ?
which force would be  guiding you into that ?




Love.


--------------------
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinejivJaN
yes
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/09/08
Posts: 4,245
Last seen: 10 years, 9 months
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11455466 - 11/14/09 06:09 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Try going up against the mob or any organized crime group by yourself--you can't.  You need protection from someone more capable than you, and besides you've got a life to live of your own.  Let the people who want to take care of the criminals... that's what police are for.




My family tried.
Cops were in on it.
go figure..

Quote:

Harmful viruses and bacteria would grow unchecked in the body if it weren't for specialized cells that are dedicated to fighting them: the immune system.  The ordinary cell just can't defend against all agressors, and guess what you get when you remove the immune system like you suggest?  Cancer.




sure..
but the system you suggest would not be fighting a virus coming from an outside source.
it would be fighting , imprisoning and killing the infected cells.

big difference.

its why our medical practice is so fucked up..
they never address the source.

and just like in the subject we are discussing..
you would rather go up against the infected people than what caused their illness.

what i am proposing.. is that if you found the source..
you wouldn't want to eliminate it.

ultimately , all the 'bad' shit anybody is capable of comes from it.
and it always offers a service..
nobody is obligated to accept it.
tempted.. led on to..
the road is paved , up to the moment where in fact YOU DECIDE.

ever watch the devils advocate ?

free will..
it is a bitch.

:rofl:


--------------------



---------------------

All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDiaboleros
Devil's spawn


Registered: 07/20/08
Posts: 1,856
Last seen: 6 years, 8 months
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: jivJaN]
    #11455573 - 11/14/09 06:29 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Same cancerous energy is behind it all, what would you call it?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDimensionX
King of Birds
Male

Registered: 09/26/07
Posts: 5,486
Loc: Australia Flag
Last seen: 2 years, 1 day
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: Diaboleros]
    #11455636 - 11/14/09 06:41 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I think of it as the parasite mentality. All humans have a relationship with other humans, most choose to be mainly symbiotic, this is a mutually beneficial relationship. Others choose to be mainly parasitic. They feed off others energy.


Edited by DimensionX (11/14/09 06:42 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMycomyth
Demented Avenger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/19/06
Posts: 341
Loc: At the crux of the matter...
Last seen: 7 years, 10 months
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: DimensionX]
    #11458572 - 11/15/09 07:29 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

jivJaN said...
do you know.. that in my home country
when someone breaks into your house , you are not allowed to shoot ,unless the perpetrator fires at you several times.





That's really shitty!

Do you know...that in my home state (Texas), they've just made it easier for me to legally take the life of an aggressor? I am allowed to shoot if I feel my life, or the life of another, is in danger.
Also...as for defending ones home, it doesn't even have to be MY home anymore...I could shoot someone who was trying to break into my neighbors house.

I love the idea of being able to take the ultimate action in defense of me and mine without having to wait for someone else to decide I'm in trouble and come to my rescue, which in a lot of cases is too late.

It's nice to have that freedom...but, it'd be even nicer to never have to use it because everyone policed themselves.

If I was King, anyone who qualified for a Concealed Carry permit would be able to wear an open sidearm if they wished. Think of the crimes-against-persons that could be prevented. Example...Perp is on the street looking for a purse (or a person for that matter) to snatch. He looks around and sees several people wearing pistols on their hips. What do you think he's gonna do?

But I digress, bullets are not magical, they're as mundane as it gets.


M


--------------------
Wave upon wave of demented avengers marched cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleBridgeburner
Not spiritual at all.
Male


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/16/06
Posts: 20,010
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: DimensionX]
    #11458597 - 11/15/09 07:46 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

DimensionX said:
I think of it as the parasite mentality. All humans have a relationship with other humans, most choose to be mainly symbiotic, this is a mutually beneficial relationship. Others choose to be mainly parasitic. They feed off others energy.




i find this kind of one dimensional. i mean you don't choose things, you just label the inevitable. what you see as symbolic can be seen as parasitic and vice versa.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinejivJaN
yes
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/09/08
Posts: 4,245
Last seen: 10 years, 9 months
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: Mycomyth]
    #11459337 - 11/15/09 11:19 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

If I was King, anyone who qualified for a Concealed Carry permit would be able to wear an open sidearm if they wished. Think of the crimes-against-persons that could be prevented. Example...Perp is on the street looking for a purse (or a person for that matter) to snatch. He looks around and sees several people wearing pistols on their hips. What do you think he's gonna do?




:rofl:

what about bar fights ?
what do you think would happen when 10 guys drunk as hell get into a fiery argument ?

to me it looks like wild wild west all over again lol


--------------------



---------------------

All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibledeCypher
 User Gallery


Registered: 02/10/08
Posts: 56,232
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: jivJaN]
    #11459612 - 11/15/09 12:10 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

jivJaN said:
My family tried.
Cops were in on it.
go figure..




It's more difficult to hide corruption from those in tune and empathetic to one another.  Dishonesty sends out its own vibes that can be picked up by those skilled enough, you know.

Quote:

jivJaN said:
you would rather go up against the infected people than what caused their illness.




Having a strong police force isn't the only solution I would offer to the problem.  Providing love and care to one's children so they grow up emotionally mature, providing education to show why negativity is ultimately self-defeating, and providing a sense of community to get rid of the pervading isolation and disconnectedness that is so prevalent in today's world are all practices I'd also like to institute to prevent further infections.  Unfortunately, once a cell has been infected we need to quarantine it from the rest of the population, and this is what law enforcement is for.

Quote:

jivJaN said:
what i am proposing.. is that if you found the source..
you wouldn't want to eliminate it.

ultimately , all the 'bad' shit anybody is capable of comes from it.




The source is human nature.  Every one of us has both an angel and a demon waiting to be unleashed inside them.  We can't change our genetic makeup (at least not yet), but we can certainly prevent outbreaks of evil once it manifests itself.


--------------------
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTheWolf
Antechamber Of Mystery


Registered: 08/05/09
Posts: 225
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11463239 - 11/15/09 08:18 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I guess it did in a sense.  They were called Inquisitors, enacting wrath and vengeance upon whoever they saw fit - under the guise of civil authority and moral righteousness.

Good and Evil are relative to one's perception.  One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.  Yes, humans are both capable of both "good" and "evil" things, but to say that we each have the duality of good/evil in us says that there are some intrinsic moral values placed within a human's mind.  I don't believe this is so, maybe it is a lot more common nowadays in this society, but I don't believe it is inherent that people are going to have the same morality and values.  Thus one man's evil is not another man's.  This is where a "magical police force" would fail, because who is to say in such a diverse and varied 'practice' what is right or wrong?  Kind of the same way in how can a government tell the people that live there what they can and cannot willingly put into their bodies.  It might work, but at a severe cost.


Edited by TheWolf (11/15/09 08:25 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblec0sm0nautt
Male User Gallery
Registered: 05/19/08
Posts: 10,303
Loc: The Astral Realm
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: TheWolf]
    #11463974 - 11/15/09 10:22 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I think the only "right" and "wrong" you can differentiate between is those who would infringe on the free will of others, and those that don't. Yet the problem remains, Can you stop someone from infringing on free will without infringing on their free will? Would this be right to do?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibledeCypher
 User Gallery


Registered: 02/10/08
Posts: 56,232
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #11464069 - 11/15/09 10:38 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

TheWolf said:
Good and Evil are relative to one's perception.




Quote:

deCypher said:
As popular as moral relativism is, there are still some actions that the world as a whole can agree are immoral.  I roughly envision an enforcing of the Golden Rule: do unto others as you would have them do unto you.  No one of us appreciates having our free will violated, either through murder or theft of energy (vampirism).  Torturing others for enjoyment of their pain is also an action no one would want performed on themselves.  Thus we can come to some agreement about what actions are and are not permitted in our magickal society.




Quote:

c0sm0nautt said:
I think the only "right" and "wrong" you can differentiate between is those who would infringe on the free will of others, and those that don't. Yet the problem remains, Can you stop someone from infringing on free will without infringing on their free will? Would this be right to do?




The way I see it, if a person purposefully infringes on the free will of others then we should have no qualms about infringing on theirs to stop them.  You wouldn't let an attacker kill you without defending yourself (and going against his free will); why would you let an attacker kill someone else if you have the chance to stop him or her?

Ironically I believe this is why choosing to manipulate others invariably means that you in turn will be manipulated.


--------------------
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblec0sm0nautt
Male User Gallery
Registered: 05/19/08
Posts: 10,303
Loc: The Astral Realm
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11464205 - 11/15/09 11:02 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

If you put it in the context of killing, I'd agree with you. Is it always that black and white though? What if the infringement isn't to a degree that the victim is in immediate danger. To what extent would you go to stop them? What if the only way to stop them was to kill them?

When I think of a magical police force I think of the Cowled Wizards from Boulders Gate II. They were taken over by a powerful black magician in the end. I would be weary of the integrity of such a force.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDiaboleros
Devil's spawn


Registered: 07/20/08
Posts: 1,856
Last seen: 6 years, 8 months
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11465259 - 11/16/09 05:09 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

deCypher said:
As popular as moral relativism is, there are still some actions that the world as a whole can agree are immoral.  I roughly envision an enforcing of the Golden Rule: do unto others as you would have them do unto you.  No one of us appreciates having our free will violated, either through murder or theft of energy (vampirism).  Torturing others for enjoyment of their pain is also an action no one would want performed on themselves.  Thus we can come to some agreement about what actions are and are not permitted in our magickal society.



Do unto other as you would have them do unto you... so only fuck your gf in her ass if you would let her fuck you in the ass?

Justice is nothing but a trick of the devil so humans would kill eachother. If you belief there is a reason to justify pain, than you belief God's plan is not perfect and that the pain did not have a purpose. We are all one. The one who killed you has the same higher self as you, so in the end, you just decided to kill yourself. Maybe your higher self thought your death would be a good teaching to your killer, it would be sacrificing a part of itself in order to learn, for example, the lesson of justice.

Which path to take, good or evil, left or right? It doesn't matter, eventho one path goes up an the other goes down, they both end at the exact same point. Weather the choose good or evil only depends on which is out of balance. Sometimes to do good, you are forced to be evil. How are you going to play a computer game without the evil guy? How are you going to play the game without the opposing force?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibledeCypher
 User Gallery


Registered: 02/10/08
Posts: 56,232
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: Diaboleros]
    #11467679 - 11/16/09 02:57 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

c0sm0nautt said:
If you put it in the context of killing, I'd agree with you. Is it always that black and white though?




Well, as a society of human individuals we are similar enough to each other to determine what we, as a collective group, do not want happening to us as individuals.  Murder, theft, rape... these for sure are not wanted (referring only to instances of these that violate free will, as there is no harm in killing someone if they want you to kill them etcetera).  I think we can definitely draw a black and white line between those actions that are acceptable to the community and those that are not, and we can surely do our best to try to prevent the unacceptable actions from occurring.

Quote:

c0sm0nautt said:
What if the infringement isn't to a degree that the victim is in immediate danger. To what extent would you go to stop them? What if the only way to stop them was to kill them?




It's extremely doubtful that this would be the case.  Expulsion from the society, imprisonment, or simply a binding of the offender's powers would be much more likely.  Killing the offender would be a last-resort option.

Quote:

c0sm0nautt said:
When I think of a magical police force I think of the Cowled Wizards from Boulders Gate II. They were taken over by a powerful black magician in the end. I would be weary of the integrity of such a force.




The rare exception might occur and power might be abused, sure.  However, having such a force is better than not having such a force in a world where there are power-hungry individuals who would love for there not to be any sort of societal immune system to protect against them.  Remove the police force in our modern society and the crime rate would sky rocket as criminals realize that there is no organized power in place to stop them.

Quote:

Diaboleros said:
Justice is nothing but a trick of the devil so humans would kill eachother. If you belief there is a reason to justify pain, than you belief God's plan is not perfect and that the pain did not have a purpose.




I don't believe that God's plan exists or that pain necessarily has a purpose.  We can learn from pain, certainly, but most of the time that lesson teaches us how better to avoid experiencing that pain in the future (by removing that pain's source, for example).

Quote:

Diaboleros said:
We are all one. The one who killed you has the same higher self as you, so in the end, you just decided to kill yourself. Maybe your higher self thought your death would be a good teaching to your killer, it would be sacrificing a part of itself in order to learn, for example, the lesson of justice.




This is an interesting theory but one I find completely improbable.  We are all One in the sense that we all are made of the same energy, perhaps, but nonetheless my individual consciousness is separate from yours.  I feel my pains and pleasures while you feel your pains and pleasures (although I can choose to feel yours if I want through empathy).  It's not myself killing myself; it's you killing me and violating my free will.  I don't want this, plain and simple, and I especially don't want to justify the actions of murderers and rapists like your line of argument does.


--------------------
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblec0sm0nautt
Male User Gallery
Registered: 05/19/08
Posts: 10,303
Loc: The Astral Realm
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11468201 - 11/16/09 04:20 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I was reading over the first Law of One book last night and I got to a session where Ra talks about the quarantine put on the Earth to simultaneously protect the freewill of the current inhabitants of Earth and the Orion Group (to my understanding is the 'Greys'). Here it is:

Questioner: I would like to ask, considering the free will distortion of the Law of One, how can the Guardians quarantine the Earth? Is this quarantine within free will?

Ra: I am Ra. The Guardians guard the free will distortion of the mind/body/spirit complexes of third density on this planetary sphere. The events which required activation of quarantine were interfering with the free will distortion of mind/body/spirit complexes.


Questioner: I may be wrong, but it seems to me that it would be the free will of, say the Orion group, to interfere. How is this balanced with the information which you just gave?

Ra: I am Ra. The balancing is from dimension to dimension. The attempts of the so-called Crusaders to interfere with free will are acceptable upon the dimension of their understanding. However, the mind/body/spirit complexes of this dimension you call third form a dimension of free will which is not able to, shall we say, recognize in full, the distortions towards manipulation. Thus, in order to balance the dimensional variances in vibration, a quarantine, this being a balancing situation whereby the free will of the Orion group is not stopped but given a challenge. Meanwhile, the third group is not hindered from free choice.


Questioner: Could these “windows” that occur to let the Orion group come through once in a while have anything to do with this free will balancing?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.


Questioner: Could you tell me how that works?

Ra: I am Ra. The closest analogy would be a random number generator within certain limits.


Questioner: What is the source of this random number generator? Is it created by the Guardians to balance their guarding? Or is it a source other than the Guardians?

Ra: I am Ra. All sources are one. However, we understand your query. The window phenomenon is an other-self phenomenon from the Guardians. It operates from the dimensions beyond space/time in what you may call the area of intelligent energy. Like your cycles, such balancing, such rhythms are as a clock striking. In the case of the windows, no entities have the clock. Therefore, it seems random. It is not random in the dimension which produces this balance. That is why we stated the analogy was within certain limits.


Questioner: Then this window balancing prevents the Guardians from reducing their positive polarization by totally eliminating the Orion contact through shielding. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. In effect, the balancing allows an equal amount of positive and negative influx, this balanced by the mind/body/spirit distortions of the social complex. Thus in your particular planetary sphere, less negative, as you would call it, information or stimulus is necessary than positive due to the somewhat negative orientation of your social complex distortion.


Questioner: In this way, total free will is balanced so that individuals may have an equal opportunity to choose service to others or service to self. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.


Questioner: This is a profound revelation, I believe, in the Law of Free Will. Thank you.

This is a minor question further to make an example of this principle, but if the Confederation landed on Earth, they would be taken as gods, breaking the Law of Free Will and thus reducing their polarization of service to all. I assume that the same thing would happen if the Orion group landed. How would this affect their polarization of service to self if they were able to land and became known as gods?

Ra: I am Ra. In the event of mass landing of the Orion group, the effect of polarization would be strongly toward an increase in the service to self, precisely the opposite of the former opportunity which you mentioned.


Questioner: If the Orion group was able to land, would this increase their polarization? What I am trying to get at is, is it better for them to work behind the scenes to get recruits, shall we say, from our planet, the person from our planet going strictly on his own using free will, or is it just as good for the Orion group to land on our planet and demonstrate remarkable powers and get people like that?

Ra: I am Ra. This first instance is, in the long run, shall we put it, more salubrious for the Orion group in that it does not infringe upon the Law of One by landing and, thus, does its work through those of this planet. In the second circumstance, a mass landing would create a loss of polarization due to the infringement upon the free will of the planet. However, it would be a gamble. If the planet were then conquered and became part of the Empire, the free will would then be re-established. This is restrained in action due to the desire of the Orion group to progress towards the One Creator. This desire to progress inhibits the group from breaking the Law of Confusion.


Questioner: You mentioned the word “Empire” in relation to the Orion group. I have thought for some time that the movie Star Wars was somehow an allegory for what is actually happening. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct in the same way that a simple children’s story is an allegory for physical/philosophical/social complex distortion/understanding.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSittingBull
Servant of the Void

Registered: 10/18/09
Posts: 84
Loc: Desensitized Death in the...
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #11469587 - 11/16/09 07:51 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

In my opinion it would be a waste of energy to have such a magical police force, because I believe in karma.
I also believe that police in real life are wastes of energy, the "law" system as it exists now.
Whatever one puts out is what one will have to face and karma isn't a punishment it is the balancer.
Also anyone who get's cursed is open to it on some level, just like anyone who get's murdered or raped physically is open to it on some level of their being and it is being manifested for a reason.
We all create our reality and there are no victims in my world view, just lessons.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibledeCypher
 User Gallery


Registered: 02/10/08
Posts: 56,232
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #11469776 - 11/16/09 08:23 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I believe in karma too.  I just believe it comes in the form of the police or the retaliation of the victims (guilt for actions done also plays a significant factor but police are still necessary IMO to ensure that the criminal will not continue committing his or her crimes; guilt is not always effective).  If you take the easy way to get what you want by robbing a convenience store because you don't want to work, or by raping a woman because you don't want to spend the time to date her, then you're knowingly agreeing to the risk: having a dedicated team of detectives try to find and imprison you as a danger to society.  Don't be surprised when someone pushes back if you push hard enough.  I also think that your opinions on the necessity of law enforcement would change drastically if you ever became the victim.

Overall, believing that someone deserves suffering is incomprehensible to me.  I do agree with you that victims can sometimes manifest weakness which attracts predators, but this does not justify getting preyed on or mean that we shouldn't prevent the predator from going after other victims.

Quote:

c0sm0nautt said:
Questioner: I may be wrong, but it seems to me that it would be the free will of, say the Orion group, to interfere. How is this balanced with the information which you just gave?

Ra: I am Ra. The balancing is from dimension to dimension. The attempts of the so-called Crusaders to interfere with free will are acceptable upon the dimension of their understanding. However, the mind/body/spirit complexes of this dimension you call third form a dimension of free will which is not able to, shall we say, recognize in full, the distortions towards manipulation. Thus, in order to balance the dimensional variances in vibration, a quarantine, this being a balancing situation whereby the free will of the Orion group is not stopped but given a challenge. Meanwhile, the third group is not hindered from free choice.




c0sm0nautt, I don't really understand this passage.  Would you mind helping to clarify?


--------------------
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCoheed88
Amateur Failure
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 596
Last seen: 8 years, 15 days
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11469843 - 11/16/09 08:33 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Surely the existence of a said "police" depends upon the benefits of "dark" or "light" magicks. That is, what is more beneficial, aiding others or aiding yourself. Why waste time "policing" others, when you can use your powers to aid yourself. Perhaps our morality only originates from fear of betrayal, harm, or the unknown. Maybe we are all dark hearted if we are given the power not to fear. With power, the fear is banished..


--------------------
You don't like yourself, but you admire yourself - it's all you've got, so you cling to it. You're so afraid that if you change, you'll lose what makes you special. Being miserable doesn't make you better than anyone else, it just makes you miserable..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSittingBull
Servant of the Void

Registered: 10/18/09
Posts: 84
Loc: Desensitized Death in the...
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: Coheed88]
    #11470960 - 11/16/09 11:00 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I don't belive in victims, but I have been in situations that would fall under the typical social norm of being a victim. And I have been in situations of being wronged energetically or literally cursed by someone else with magic. I know I created this situation with the person, it was their choice to harm, it was my choice to be harmed.
I believe in creators of situations. If you follow the energy deep enough you will see that victims and hero's, and aggressors are unneccessary, and none are the truth.
I don't believe that anyone deserves suffering, I do believe that they create it on some level to learn from.
And karma would carry itself out with or without human interference, it's not a system dependent on people. There are many ways to find balance, just like there are many ways to find unbalance.
I think a magical police force would be a limiting thing to the practitioners of magic and to the world and further more I think it would have it's own karma that would just be down right heavy. Magic is something limitless(or it should be) that can only be comprehended so much... and it would just be another pathetic human attempt to control something that is beyond controlling.
The ego would come to be to much a part of it and it would fail in it's purpose. Those skilled enough would police the police force, essentially continuing the cycle of karma forever. Much of the magic police system that you seek is already in place by karma, if you just look.
Buddah was very wise, non-attachment is best.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinebenitoamanito
rad

Registered: 06/18/05
Posts: 827
Last seen: 12 years, 6 months
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: SittingBull]
    #11471969 - 11/17/09 03:50 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

elves!


Edited by benitoamanito (11/17/09 03:51 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblec0sm0nautt
Male User Gallery
Registered: 05/19/08
Posts: 10,303
Loc: The Astral Realm
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11472142 - 11/17/09 05:34 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I think what is being said is that the 'Guardians' (beings operating with power from higher densities, that of 6th, 7th and 8th) who have placed the quarantine on Earth are making a compromise between the free will of the Orion group and the third density inhabitants of Earth (us).

In order for this compromise to be made, the Orion group is allowed random passage into our reality to propagate their manipulation or whatever it is they may be doing. Yet, human beings as a whole are still rid of the vast majority of manipulation from these beings.

Therefore, if the magical police force were to be in accord with the law of free will, they would need to make a similiar compromise. They would offer a challenge to evil doers while understanding they cannot stop them all.


Edited by c0sm0nautt (11/17/09 12:12 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblePoid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area Flag
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11473418 - 11/17/09 12:08 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

What if there is an individual out there that can easliy overpower this Magical Police Force?


--------------------
Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibledeCypher
 User Gallery


Registered: 02/10/08
Posts: 56,232
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: Poid]
    #11473736 - 11/17/09 01:12 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

c0sm0nautt said:
Therefore, if the magical police force were to be in accord with the law of free will, they would need to make a similiar compromise. They would offer a challenge to evil doers while understanding they cannot stop them all.




Sounds good to me.  No system is perfect.  :thumbup:

Quote:

Poid said:
What if there is an individual out there that can easliy overpower this Magical Police Force?




Then we're all fucked once his or her reign of tyranny commences.  :lol:


--------------------
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblePoid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area Flag
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11473824 - 11/17/09 01:27 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

deCypher said:
Quote:

Poid said:
What if there is an individual out there that can easliy overpower this Magical Police Force?




Then we're all fucked once his or her reign of tyranny commences.  :lol:


Who says s/he will be tyrannical? It is possible s/he would like to join this police force and help get rid of all the evil. :hellfire:


--------------------
Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibledeCypher
 User Gallery


Registered: 02/10/08
Posts: 56,232
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: Poid]
    #11473986 - 11/17/09 01:48 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

How would the individual be more powerful than the police force if the individual is now part of that police force?  :tongue:

At any rate I think it's more likely that power leads to corruption unless the individual is somehow subjected to a system of checks and balances.


--------------------
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefazdazzle
Wanderer


Registered: 02/17/05
Posts: 1,796
Last seen: 11 years, 26 days
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11474023 - 11/17/09 01:53 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not too familiar with specific agendas of orders, but I always got the impression the Order of Sons and Daughters of Light (OSDL) acted in that way. I've also seen a Zhedhi Order on the net, which seems to act even more in the way your discussing, including building themselves physically in order to be prepared for combat of any kind. This is something that can easily be overlooked, after all, if you get "found out" they could just shoot you with a gun or whatever other conventional means of death they choose to employ. 

It seems to me this "Police Force" would be close to the Jedi's of Star Wars. The police force would have to be intimately connected with the interconnting web of life, or "the force" as the Jedi's say. This would prevent corruption of the order and allow the order to find out the baddies.

If it's true that the "good" is so many times stronger than the "bad" the best thing would be to have the group develop themselves and project that energy onto the universe, as well as encouraging others to build themselves up. This could work in a way that would disarm the bad guys in a subtle way, such as making them doubt their cause.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibledeCypher
 User Gallery


Registered: 02/10/08
Posts: 56,232
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: fazdazzle]
    #11474061 - 11/17/09 01:57 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

fazdazzle said:
I'm not too familiar with specific agendas of orders, but I always got the impression the Order of Sons and Daughters of Light (OSDL) acted in that way. I've also seen a Zhedhi Order on the net, which seems to act even more in the way your discussing, including building themselves physically in order to be prepared for combat of any kind. This is something that can easily be overlooked, after all, if you get "found out" they could just shoot you with a gun or whatever other conventional means of death they choose to employ.




Awesome, thanks for being the first one to actually answer my question in the OP!  And I agree that the Jedi would be the epitome of what I'm talking about.  Do you have any links for the OSDL and/or Zhedhi Order?


--------------------
We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblePoid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area Flag
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11474200 - 11/17/09 02:18 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

deCypher said:
How would the individual be more powerful than the police force if the individual is now part of that police force?  :tongue:


He could be like Batman! :wink:



Quote:

deCypher said:
At any rate I think it's more likely that power leads to corruption unless the individual is somehow subjected to a system of checks and balances.


Very true; the existence of such an individual like this would have to be at least somewhat unlikely.


--------------------
Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMycomyth
Demented Avenger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/19/06
Posts: 341
Loc: At the crux of the matter...
Last seen: 7 years, 10 months
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: jivJaN]
    #11474905 - 11/17/09 04:22 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

jivJaN said:
what about bar fights ?
what do you think would happen when 10 guys drunk as hell get into a fiery argument ?
to me it looks like wild wild west all over again lol




Well....personally, I've never met a single CCW licensee who would stoop to a bar fight (and I know lots). It's just not in 'em. They'd walk before being brought down to that level.

And, haven't you heard? Texas is still the wild, wild West! :lol:


M


--------------------
Wave upon wave of demented avengers marched cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefazdazzle
Wanderer


Registered: 02/17/05
Posts: 1,796
Last seen: 11 years, 26 days
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11508110 - 11/22/09 11:26 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry for getting back to you so late, but to answer your question: no, unfortunately. You would be best off scouring the internet.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblePoid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area Flag
Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
    #11815037 - 01/12/10 01:41 PM (14 years, 18 days ago)

Quote:

deCypher said:
It is therefore quite likely that there exist black magicians or brujos who employ magick to advance their own interests before the interests of other people: the manifestation of power without compassion.  Since it is clear that the majority of us do not wish to have our free will violated by such transgressors, it would make sense if the few of us wishing to serve the whole and gifted with the power to perform magick would band together to track down power-hungry metaphysical murderers, wanton curse-throwers, demon-possessed witches, remorseless energy vampires, etcetera to stop their acts of terror on an unsuspecting public.


If magick is actually real, and there are malevolent individuals like this, then they should be put to death, IMO.


--------------------
Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4  [ show all ]

Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Heaven is coming to earth *the sequel*
( 1 2 3 4 ... 51 52 )
zorbman 178,039 1,020 03/15/18 06:53 PM
by BrendanFlock
* public apology tryptonite 261 1 03/03/18 08:28 AM
by Buckthorn
* How to Ascend
( 1 2 all )
ShroomismM 12,046 28 09/10/20 12:08 PM
by delusionalpothead7
* Alien/Human Relations v2.0
( 1 2 3 4 all )
Anonymous 23,662 65 12/23/22 02:19 AM
by doolhoofd
* What religion are you?
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 all )
undecided 23,189 122 12/25/22 07:38 PM
by LogicaL Chaos
* Shamanism
( 1 2 all )
Moonshoe 8,868 37 02/02/10 12:17 PM
by c0sm0nautt
* Mayan Galactic Signature DB.....
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 all )
vampirism 39,228 113 04/21/05 04:06 AM
by emptywisdom
* Om Alaipzi - A Spirit Song set to Music Asante 388 6 03/03/18 05:18 PM
by Asante

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Middleman, Shroomism, Rose, Kickle, yogabunny, DividedQuantum
4,757 topic views. 1 members, 5 guests and 6 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.074 seconds spending 0.007 seconds on 12 queries.