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deCypher



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Magical Police Force
#11448292 - 11/13/09 02:39 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Let's assume for the purposes of this post that magick exists. Being amoral in and of itself, the morality of magick therefore depends upon the morality of the magician. It is therefore quite likely that there exist black magicians or brujos who employ magick to advance their own interests before the interests of other people: the manifestation of power without compassion. Since it is clear that the majority of us do not wish to have our free will violated by such transgressors, it would make sense if the few of us wishing to serve the whole and gifted with the power to perform magick would band together to track down power-hungry metaphysical murderers, wanton curse-throwers, demon-possessed witches, remorseless energy vampires, etcetera to stop their acts of terror on an unsuspecting public. We do exactly the same thing in the material world with detectives and a police force; why not to help defend against spiritual evil?
I have never heard of any magickal orders devoted to this. You would think that such a force for the good of society would want to publicize themselves and the destructive persons they've caught; nothing like showing that harmful actions will not be tolerated to strike fear into the hearts of evildoers and show young, budding black magicians that crime, even if it is spiritual, does not pay. Does a society like this exist?
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Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
#11448513 - 11/13/09 03:09 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Interesting idea. I know not of such a society but wouldn't rule out the possibility that such a force exists in unorganized form amongst good people aware of their own power.
Wouldn't a magical police force, given it existed as a public entity, committed to the arrest of ill-intended black mages, be susceptible to its own corruption of politics? Who controls the controller?
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AlteredAgain said: Interesting idea. I know not of such a society but wouldn't rule out the possibility that such a force exists in unorganized form amongst good people aware of their own power.
I agree. Vigilante justice seems to be inferior to organized justice, though.
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AlteredAgain said: Wouldn't a magical police force, given it existed as a public entity, committed to the arrest of ill-intended black mages, be susceptible to its own corruption of politics? Who controls the controller?
Presumably it would always be possible for the police force to become corrupted, but I would assume with the advanced level of empathy, honesty, and openness that the white mages would employ that it would be rather difficult for any one to try to seize power. There probably would have to be something set up akin to the Department of Internal Affairs in this institution, but the risk of corruption is more than offset by the reward of protecting the vast numbers of unwitting humanity who are preyed upon by these hidden forces.
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Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
#11448696 - 11/13/09 03:35 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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deCypher said: Presumably it would always be possible for the police force to become corrupted, but I would assume with the advanced level of empathy, honesty, and openness that the white mages would employ that it would be rather difficult for any one to try to seize power. There probably would have to be something set up akin to the Department of Internal Affairs in this institution, but the risk of corruption is more than offset by the reward of protecting the vast numbers of unwitting humanity who are preyed upon by these hidden forces.
Sounds plausible. It is true in my own experience that a state of empathy leaves no desire for personal gain. As above, so below, this can be true for a collective as well. I think the structure of this emphatic police force would likely be holistic in nature as opposed to hierarchical. Instead of a pyramid compartmentalizing itself, leaving every level below with less knowledge than the above, a holistic structure could look something like the flower of life, with its intersecting spheres, each containing the whole in its parts. All knowledge is with each unit, no person is acting out of isolation. Interdependence is rule.
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Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
#11448703 - 11/13/09 03:37 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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deCypher said: I agree. Vigilante justice seems to be inferior to organized justice, though.
Yes, especially when you're going up against an already organized power.
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So then I guess the black magicians in such a world would eventually end up destroying themselves if they took it too far. Maybe not destruction, but it would at least show a tendency to backfire.
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rebus_minus said: So then I guess the black magicians in such a world would eventually end up destroying themselves if they took it too far. Maybe not destruction, but it would at least show a tendency to backfire.
Right; the more you push on others the more likely it is that you'll get shoved back.
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Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
#11449517 - 11/13/09 05:59 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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James the Just will weigh it up. 
But at least when we fully focus on peace, we are in peace.
And hung up in anger we are in anger (a drain and a pain that grows old fast).
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Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
#11449765 - 11/13/09 06:43 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I believe we would have to wear capes. It would surely descend into mad zealotry on our part, but that would just be part of ride.
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Re: Magical Police Force [Re: DimensionX]
#11450057 - 11/13/09 07:27 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd Say Silence Among Secrets for such a policing force. and I'm quite sure if you looked on the aether where such battles must take place, there will be some sort of equivalent to a neon billboard. Can you hide such a massively good aura?
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Re: Magical Police Force [Re: Nevyn]
#11450131 - 11/13/09 07:41 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think its better to concentrate on healing the innocent rather than punishing the guilty. Its a more beautiful art form and will probably lead to better results in the long run. Conflict tends to breed more conflict and people with a strong immune system should be more than a match for most psychic attacks.
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Re: Magical Police Force [Re: DimensionX]
#11450143 - 11/13/09 07:44 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wise words.
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Re: Magical Police Force [Re: DimensionX]
#11450154 - 11/13/09 07:45 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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i remember when i was like 17 or 18, when i was learning about spirituality and all that jazz- one day i very distinctly heard (in my head) from an outside source ask, "will you join the warriors of light?" or something to that effect. i was home alone and it was the one and only time i've had that kind of experience sober.
i've also had some weird experiences as a "fallower of jesus" and liberating souls from the depths of hell.
also have had other weird experiences psycho-battling humans in "reality" as well.
in short, my personal belief is that there are metaphysicians working for the benefit and detriment to mankind. i wouldn't consider myself any kind of magician either.
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Re: Magical Police Force [Re: DimensionX]
#11450213 - 11/13/09 07:55 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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DimensionX said: I believe we would have to wear capes. It would surely descend into mad zealotry on our part, but that would just be part of ride.
Fuck yeah. Rippling capes would of course be mandatory.
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DimensionX said: I think its better to concentrate on healing the innocent rather than punishing the guilty. Its a more beautiful art form and will probably lead to better results in the long run. Conflict tends to breed more conflict and people with a strong immune system should be more than a match for most psychic attacks.
The focus wouldn't be on punishing the guilty, but rather making sure that the guilty can't harm the innocent in the future... I imagine binding spells would be used for instance. I just think the pacifist approach gives evil free reign; after all evil prevails best when good men do nothing. Imagine the chaos that would ensue if we abolished the entire police force and just funded hospitals, which is essentially what you're suggesting. If we assume that magicians can be powerful healers then we must also assume that magicians can be powerful cursers; teaching good magickal self defense is of course a must but I'm extremely doubtful a strong immune system would be enough to cope against a powerful black mage.
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Re: Magical Police Force [Re: DimensionX]
#11450234 - 11/13/09 07:59 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Any problems with the Healing or Conversion of the Guilty? But then again would there then be another force who guide the magick police, the Deter-Miners? For I am sure that there somewhere are a force I may consider evil, who from their own point of view would see me as the evil one. I certainly do not want them and their psi-police
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Re: Magical Police Force [Re: Nevyn]
#11450285 - 11/13/09 08:07 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nevyn said: For I am sure that there somewhere are a force I may consider evil, who from their own point of view would see me as the evil one.
As popular as moral relativism is, there are still some actions that the world as a whole can agree are immoral. I roughly envision an enforcing of the Golden Rule: do unto others as you would have them do unto you. No one of us appreciates having our free will violated, either through murder or theft of energy (vampirism). Torturing others for enjoyment of their pain is also an action no one would want performed on themselves. Thus we can come to some agreement about what actions are and are not permitted in our magickal society.
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Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
#11450302 - 11/13/09 08:10 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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A strong immune system lays a strong foundation for cultivating self-defense. Body is temple.
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Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
#11450311 - 11/13/09 08:12 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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DimensionX said: I believe we would have to wear capes. It would surely descend into mad zealotry on our part, but that would just be part of ride.
Fuck yeah. Rippling capes would of course be mandatory.
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DimensionX said: I think its better to concentrate on healing the innocent rather than punishing the guilty. Its a more beautiful art form and will probably lead to better results in the long run. Conflict tends to breed more conflict and people with a strong immune system should be more than a match for most psychic attacks.
The focus wouldn't be on punishing the guilty, but rather making sure that the guilty can't harm the innocent in the future... I imagine binding spells would be used for instance. I just think the pacifist approach gives evil free reign; after all evil prevails best when good men do nothing. Imagine the chaos that would ensue if we abolished the entire police force and just funded hospitals, which is essentially what you're suggesting. If we assume that magicians can be powerful healers then we must also assume that magicians can be powerful cursers; teaching good magickal self defense is of course a must but I'm extremely doubtful a strong immune system would be enough to cope against a powerful black mage.
I think of it as a holistic approach to healing rather than a pacifist approach. The healed person will be full of the energies of life and able to use this incredible power to smash through obstacles put in their way. If one of these obstacles happens to be a psychic parasite, they will have the energy to blast through it. So in that way the healed deal with the guilty.
But i can definitely see how it would be useful to have some people dedicated to a more militaristic approach. If they have the necessary level of attainment to be able engage in this battle without being consumed by it.
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Re: Magical Police Force [Re: deCypher]
#11450415 - 11/13/09 08:29 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thus we can come to some agreement about what actions are and are not permitted in our magickal society.
and for the other dimensions and universes overlaying ours where the laws of order may be other than the ones that govern ours..? I do agree, I just pose the question.
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