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Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) *DELETED*
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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Lakefingers]
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I suppose we will have to get used to less personal space. :frown:

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Jaegar]
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Their was a good episode on Ted Talks which delved into this topic ill see if I can get the link.

http://www.mindnever.com/art/2008/10/05/marvin-minsky-health-population-and-the-human-mind/ might be it cpu running slow.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Jaegar]
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Colinization of other planets.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Lakefingers]
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Hopefully we will have cars which can fly before it gets to congested

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Lakefingers]
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Know one even knows how the current financial mess is going to be sorted out, then to predict the future philosophy.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Lakefingers]
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Lakefingers said:
Or we can make a megacity and put nearly everyone there and let those who don't want to participate roam as hunter-gatherers through the wilderness that is the rest of the planet. :smirk:


'wilderness' = 'toxic dump'


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: ganja_guru]
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ganja_guru said:
Colinization of other planets.


= a scant hope for the continuation of humanity, but no solution for the people of earth


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Jaegar]
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Jaegar said:
I suppose we will have to get used to less personal space. :frown:


= what sounds like a misunderstanding of the problem. however i havnt looked at that ted talk


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Lakefingers]
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What kind of world is this going to be? And will we want to live in it?


When I speak of "overpopulation" I do it subjectively. I know we can pack more rats into the maze. Your statement above is also subjective to your personal experience. "Going to be"?  It's already a lost cause from my experience. Things were different when I was a kid.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Noteworthy]
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Pop will never reach those heaights. There will be massive catastrophes coming, such as food shortages, and what follows malnutrition(disease).

Also, major wars are always a possibility. Super powers such as the states and russia are by no means having fun with each others antics...throw china into the mix and the rest of EU and thats a massive war....over what? Not yet sure, could be resources, major shifts in economics(ie. china is thinking about converting its trading currency to euro's, devestating the North American Economy.

It really is difficult to say for certain...meh, people are not political in our society therefore talk about it, which usually leads to spreading of messages, is pointless. STill a nice excercise.


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Lakefingers]
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I think a fruitful discussion would be to what extent so-called "overpopulation" is actually just a matter of unequal distribution of natural resources.  The US has a low fertility rate, yet our consumption of resources is much greater than what most people on the planet consume, even in other developed countries.


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Silversoul]
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We're so spoiled here! :awesome:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Poid]
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It is all improper management. If we dropped all of our resources toward military world wide. Then take those resources toward green technology, space travel and agriculture. The next 50-100 years overpopulation will be synonymous with mis-management of the World. Wake up, to say that this one is not meant is saying you are not meant. Every human life is precious and necessary. A civilized world is possible. However, military (of every country) would need to be destroyed.


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I felt like I was tricked. Having finally standing above everything. Looking down on life. The mystery is going to be reveled. One step at a time, on this path. Harmony...

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Zep Tepi]
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Zep Tepi said:
Every human life is precious...

I disagree.





Zep Tepi said:
...and necessary.

Necessary for what? :confused:



Zep Tepi said:
A civilized world is possible. However, military (of every country) would need to be destroyed.

What evidence do you have to support this claim that a civilized world would only be possible if every country's military was destroyed? :what:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Poid]
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ps. my prediction is mass starvation, disease, and war. Life on earth has always been that way... In fact it is that way right now. We priveleged internet surfers just exist in a nice little bubble. I wonder how long the bubble can last?


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Zep Tepi]
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Say and wish what you like. At least I am giving solutions to the problem. Here is one for a lower intellect. Kill everyone that isn't American. This would eliminate 98% of mankind. Reducing the population to 308 million. Thus solving overpopulation.


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I felt like I was tricked. Having finally standing above everything. Looking down on life. The mystery is going to be reveled. One step at a time, on this path. Harmony...

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Zep Tepi]
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Zep Tepi said:
Say and wish what you like. At least I am giving solutions to the problem. Here is one for a lower intellect. Kill everyone that isn't American. This would eliminate 98% of mankind. Reducing the population to 308 million. Thus solving overpopulation.

Why did you respond to yourself?



Noteworthy said:
ps. my prediction is mass starvation, disease, and war. Life on earth has always been that way... In fact it is that way right now. We priveleged internet surfers just exist in a nice little bubble. I wonder how long the bubble can last?

It will last as long as we as a collective species can manage to sustain it, I suppose. :shrug:

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Noteworthy]
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Noteworthy said:
ps. my prediction is mass starvation, disease, and war. Life on earth has always been that way... In fact it is that way right now. We priveleged internet surfers just exist in a nice little bubble. I wonder how long the bubble can last?


:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Zep Tepi]
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It's a matter of each state utilizing the human ressources to the benefit of the greater good. As long as the growth in popoulation can be translated into a growth in productivity within each state, the number of people won't be a problem.

I like people, the more the merrier:laugh:

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Zep Tepi]
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Poid said:
Zep Tepi said:
Every human life is precious...

I disagree.





Zep Tepi said:
...and necessary.

Necessary for what? :confused:



Zep Tepi said:
A civilized world is possible. However, military (of every country) would need to be destroyed.

What evidence do you have to support this claim that a civilized world would only be possible if every country's military was destroyed? :what:



It would be nice if you could actually respond to what I said here...:crying:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
Poid said:
Zep Tepi said:
Every human life is precious...

I disagree.






Zep Tepi said:
...and necessary.

Necessary for what? :confused:



Zep Tepi said:
A civilized world is possible. However, military (of every country) would need to be destroyed.

What evidence do you have to support this claim that a civilized world would only be possible if every country's military was destroyed? :what:



It would be nice if you could actually respond to what I said here...:crying:



I disagree every human life is precious.

Necessary for a purpose higher than you and I can understand.

There would be no wars of any kind.

It would be nice if you weren't so blunt also.


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I felt like I was tricked. Having finally standing above everything. Looking down on life. The mystery is going to be reveled. One step at a time, on this path. Harmony...

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Zep Tepi]
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Don't you think, by removing the military, you just leave the door open to gangs and mobs?


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Lakefingers]
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or are you suggesting things were acceptable back then? I'd be surprised!

They were acceptable to me cause that's all I knew. That's why I say it's subjective.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Noteworthy]
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Over population is already a problem imo.

Its just a matter of time before disease, loss of resources or governmental intervention will take care of over population.


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Noteworthy]
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Ok, in an ideal civilized world. We would harmonize with nature. This means keeping a population relative to resources. We shift all of our labor to machines. Now no one works. We are free to do what we want with our time. I believe we could function as a collective of city states. Local law enforcement would be necessary. I know it's not a perfect system. But at least we wouldn't have to worry about world wars.


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I felt like I was tricked. Having finally standing above everything. Looking down on life. The mystery is going to be reveled. One step at a time, on this path. Harmony...

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Zep Tepi]
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I disagree every human life is precious.

Necessary for a purpose higher than you and I can understand.

There would be no wars of any kind.

It would be nice if you weren't so blunt also.

Precious is a subjective value judgment. I doubt evolution thinks about this.

And how do you know that in understanding basic evolution theory we do not understand what's going on. More subjective value judgments.

Humans haven't changed their basic emotional blueprint in our known history. There is no reason to believe that we will ever become non violent to some degree. It's very natural.

I suggest you grow a thick skin here. It makes things much more fun.:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Icelander (11/12/09 12:37 PM)

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) *DELETED* [Re: Zep Tepi]
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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Icelander]
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Lakefingers said:
Dyingjezuz said:
It's a matter of each state utilizing the human ressources to the benefit of the greater good. As long as the growth in popoulation can be translated into a growth in productivity within each state, the number of people won't be a problem.

I like people, the more the merrier:D


Is this reasonable considering human nature/history/current events as several have pointed out?



Yeah very reasonable indeed.


As long as people work there won't be an overpopulation, the problems will stem from a bad administration of rescources which practical wise is only made easier by the ever advancing technology, and progression of sceince.   

The population will be able to create more and more and from an ethical point of view that's the best we can hope for (as we're all gonna die anyways).

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Lakefingers]
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Come on. Don't be such a sadhu. You certainly seem to be concerned with more than sleep, food, the world as it is to you and poo. Let loose on some theories skidding out on thin ice. You certainly can't think, with all you write about here and know, that the mid-20th Century wasn't just as shitty as this, if not in some ways worse and others slightly better. After all, we didn't have the 80's yet. :lol:


:lol: Yeah it's all been shitty mostly. But I was young and there weren't so many restrictions on my outdoor pleasures and not so many yahoos out there in four wheel drives and ATVs. So again subjective. Technology combined with human irrational behavior makes for a bad experience imo and the more folk doing it the worse it is.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Icelander]
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Science today cannot explain everything. How do you fill in the gaps? If we are evolving what is the natural selector? I don't believe we are maintaining an environment we can continue to evolve in. The majority is suffering. Because of the mis-management of our leaders. Also genetically we can never be peaceful. Total extinction of man would be good also. Hopefully we can imagine something better.


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I felt like I was tricked. Having finally standing above everything. Looking down on life. The mystery is going to be reveled. One step at a time, on this path. Harmony...

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Lakefingers]
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Lakefingers said:
Icelander said:
or are you suggesting things were acceptable back then? I'd be surprised!

They were acceptable to me cause that's all I knew. That's why I say it's subjective.


Come on. Don't be such a sadhu. You certainly seem to be concerned with more than sleep, food, the world as it is to you and poo. Let loose on some theories skidding out on thin ice. You certainly can't think, with all you write about here and know, that the mid-20th Century wasn't just as shitty as this, if not in some ways worse and others slightly better. After all, we didn't have the 80's yet. :lol:

Zep Tepi said:
Ok, in an ideal civilized world. We would harmonize with nature. This means keeping a population relative to resources. We shift all of our labor to machines. Now no one works. We are free to do what we want with our time. I believe we could function as a collective of city states. Local law enforcement would be necessary. I know it's not a perfect system. But at least we wouldn't have to worry about world wars.


Hm. Not having to worry about world wars and being free from work might be considered setting your standards a bit low. Honestly.


lol


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I felt like I was tricked. Having finally standing above everything. Looking down on life. The mystery is going to be reveled. One step at a time, on this path. Harmony...

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Zep Tepi]
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Zep Tepi said:
I disagree every human life is precious.

This is a debate-oriented philosophy forum; if you disagree with anything that I said, then it is expected that you explain why you disagree.



Zep Tepi said:
Necessary for a purpose higher than you and I can understand.

Please leave your opinions of any individual poster's ability to understand a "higher purpose" out of this forum; remember, in this forum, we are discussing the ideas presented, not the individual who presented them.



Zep Tepi said:
There would be no wars of any kind.

Do you have any supporting evidence for this statement? What makes you think that getting rid of every country's military powers will somehow make it so that nobody wants to fight anybody else?



Zep Tepi said:
It would be nice if you weren't so blunt also.

Being blunt is not against the rules here! :gethigh:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Zep Tepi]
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Zep Tepi said:
Science today cannot explain everything. How do you fill in the gaps? If we are evolving what is the natural selector? I don't believe we are maintaining an environment we can continue to evolve in. The majority is suffering. Because of the mis-management of our leaders. Also genetically we can never be peaceful. Total extinction of man would be good also. Hopefully we can imagine something better.



As Mr. Natural sez: "twas ever thus"


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Zep Tepi]
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Zep Tepi said:
I disagree every human life is precious.

Necessary for a purpose higher than you and I can understand.



Fertilizer comes to mind.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: LysergicLeopard]
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Nice! :highfive:


:cuteshit:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Zep Tepi]
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Science today cannot explain everything. How do you fill in the gaps?

Well not with subjective irrational belief. Not for me anyway. We will never have all the gaps filled in. Learn to live with uncertainty.:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Icelander (11/12/09 01:15 PM)

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Well not with subjective irrational belief. Not for me anyway. We will never have all the gaps filled in. Learn to live with uncertainty.:thumbup:


If his belief is subjective, how do you know its irrational?


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Zep Tepi]
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This is probably the very most important issue facing us, well rather our future humans and all life that might care about its own existence.

Its crazy to think how much we have overflown in the past 2000 years. This slow slow process has been goin for so long, at what point will anyone realize life as such isnt even worth living? How could a human saturated planet be better unless peoples views were changed and we really were convinced we like this better. Much evolution in our aesthetic side of the matter will be necessary or massive terrible die offs. Or maybe people will realize how shitty things have gotten and stop fucking (hardly likely) so something interesting is brewing.

Question is, as an individual are you going to spread your genes, be responsible for persisting a race that has apparently overflown, that is one that is headed away from our prehistory at an extremely high rate of prolification? I am thinking about that, I guess surely I dont want to have more than 1 or 2 kids (even then....) but to have anymore than 2 I dunno, seems kind of short sighted at this point. Adoption is perhaps the highest ideal, but obviously none of this is binding... thus the volcano of humanity is gearin up for something.

Just what could we infer it to be, who could say....


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Zep Tepi]
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Zep Tepi said:
Ok, in an ideal civilized world. We would harmonize with nature. This means keeping a population relative to resources. We shift all of our labor to machines. Now no one works. We are free to do what we want with our time. I believe we could function as a collective of city states. Local law enforcement would be necessary. I know it's not a perfect system. But at least we wouldn't have to worry about world wars.


In this 'ideal world', who are the people? Are they also 'idealised' minions of yours?

I am immediately skeptical of anyone who has this vision of a future where no one is working. Are you supposing some elite new-age intelligent robots that can maintain themselves as well as maintaining the planet for all humans? Does your idealised world require such imaginary devices?


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Dyingjezuz]
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The average person is uneducated, ignorant and compleltly oblivious(intnentionally/unintentionally) of the severity of the problems and how soons they will affect them.

They also have a blind trust in government.

IF you do a little math, you will realize that if the average individual makes up the largest percentage of the population and since population is expanding, so is the sheer numbers of average people(as per my description).

To me this is alarming and the more the not merrier, rather the other way around.

Merry Christmas!  :sorry:

Ho HO ho......SHIT.


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Cognitive_Shift said:
Icelander said:
Well not with subjective irrational belief. Not for me anyway. We will never have all the gaps filled in. Learn to live with uncertainty.:thumbup:


If his belief is subjective, how do you know its irrational?



I don't but without evidence there is no way to know. This is what I was pointing out to him.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said:
The average person is uneducated, ignorant and compleltly oblivious(intnentionally/unintentionally) of the severity of the problems and how soons they will affect them.

They also have a blind trust in government.

IF you do a little math, you will realize that if the average individual makes up the largest percentage of the population and since population is expanding, so is the sheer numbers of average people(as per my description).

To me this is alarming and the more the not merrier, rather the other way around.

Merry Christmas!  :sorry:

Ho HO ho......SHIT.


:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Lakefingers]
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There is no "last number"; similarly, there is probably an infinite amount of knowledge that exists in the universe.


Humans will not last forever. :nonono:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Lakefingers]
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Why does there have to be positive pockets?


I am not certain. I base my claims of hours of research.

Environmental Studies here, BTW. I did four years of it back when. B.A. Complete a few years ago.

Not the most effective tool for making money, for anyone who is thinking about it...just take some as electives...that should be enough...or minor in it.


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
AlphaFalfa said:
The average person is uneducated, ignorant and compleltly oblivious(intnentionally/unintentionally) of the severity of the problems and how soons they will affect them.

They also have a blind trust in government.

IF you do a little math, you will realize that if the average individual makes up the largest percentage of the population and since population is expanding, so is the sheer numbers of average people(as per my description).

To me this is alarming and the more the not merrier, rather the other way around.

Merry Christmas!  :sorry:

Ho HO ho......SHIT.


:thumbup:


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Icelander]
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I was trying to stress the point that science doesn't have everything explained now. It is an ideal. The best way to deal with the unknown is to accept it, or whatever you do. Subjectively speaking, I believe science will know all. Given an infinite amount of resources, an infinite amount of time, with an infinite intellect, all is known.


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said:
Icelander said:
AlphaFalfa said:
The average person is uneducated, ignorant and compleltly oblivious(intnentionally/unintentionally) of the severity of the problems and how soons they will affect them.

They also have a blind trust in government.

IF you do a little math, you will realize that if the average individual makes up the largest percentage of the population and since population is expanding, so is the sheer numbers of average people(as per my description).

To me this is alarming and the more the not merrier, rather the other way around.

Merry Christmas!  :sorry:

Ho HO ho......SHIT.


:thumbup:


:rockon:



"HO HO HO

Shit"

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Lakefingers]
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Lakefingers said:
Noteworthy said:
Don't you think, by removing the military, you just leave the door open to gangs and mobs?


I don't know Zep Tepi's motivation for this. But when I, friends or authors I've read, considered this idea it seems to assume that humans are essentially good and under the right circumstances would realize they don't need weapons, violence, military, if those weapons, violence and military were removed. This might be true, or possible :shrug: but the world is as it is and people are (conditioned) as they are, and there are many malicious forces and those who would maliciously prey on good intent... and so on. You seem to know this already. I mention it to get feedback.



The problem I have with such theories is that, even if most people are good, it is clear that many people are not. We have to live with these people.

And even the good people, are limited by language, by beliefs. They will undoubtedly come up against disagreement.

But what is this idea that humans need weapons, violence, military? I don't think it has to do with need. It has to do with wants. Humans will always have wants. In fact, the more peace they have, the more explicit, ideosyncratic desires they have, because of all the time they have to spend thinking about what they want. How do you cope with everyone's wants? People cant have everything.

We have only whitnessed people being cooperative when they live in a stable environment. (edit: when I say 'people' I mean societies. Individual groups often work together the most when they are in dire times) The 'stability' of our current world is based on an economy that thrives on instability. It is in fact only stable in places that have good economic growth. or, alternatively, no civilisation (im sure various tribes live peacefully).

Although there will always be good people, people are animals and there will always be bad people because such people have survival advantages.

I get the vibe that people get depressed thinking about the corruption of man. But I think its OK when there are systems in place to moderate the ability of individuals to exert their will.

Ie. in order to provide freedom to good people, you need to take away other freedoms. Thats what we do. We have nations with laws, that describe the freedoms of people. When people show they are bad, they lose freedoms. When people contribute, they gain freedoms (money.. though i realise it is not the fairest system). Now, how do you suppose laws are maintained?
A lot of people think it is the police. But the police are more of a civil service in place to avoid having to mobilise the military. The military is there to enforce a nation's rules. If they were not enforced, then they would not be rules, they would merely be guidelines, and thus they would be broken by the bad people that necessarily exist due.

there is nothing good about absolute freedom... because it means that the brute forces of the world are free to rip you to shreds.

this doesnt mean people arent essentially 'good'. It just means that people arent perfectly good.


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Poid]
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Zep Tepi said:
I was trying to stress the point that science doesn't have everything explained now.

Religion doesn't have much explained at all. :shrug:



Zep Tepi said:
It is an ideal.

An ideal which reaches for objective evidence to sustain its claims; this is very unlike religion.



Zep Tepi said:
Subjectively speaking, I believe science will know all. Given an infinite amount of resources, an infinite amount of time, with an infinite intellect, all is known.

Poid said:
There is no "last number"; similarly, there is probably an infinite amount of knowledge that exists in the universe.


Humans will not last forever. :nonono:



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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said:
The average person is uneducated, ignorant and compleltly oblivious(intnentionally/unintentionally) of the severity of the problems and how soons they will affect them.

They also have a blind trust in government.

IF you do a little math, you will realize that if the average individual makes up the largest percentage of the population and since population is expanding, so is the sheer numbers of average people(as per my description).

To me this is alarming and the more the not merrier, rather the other way around.

Merry Christmas!  :sorry:

Ho HO ho......SHIT.


What's your take on the forced sterilization of the "average" person?

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Lakefingers]
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Quote:
Noteworthy said:
ps. my prediction is mass starvation, disease, and war. Life on earth has always been that way... In fact it is that way right now. We priveleged internet surfers just exist in a nice little bubble. I wonder how long the bubble can last?


If you're in Australia or the US it'll probably last most of your life time. By lasting I mean you are relatively safe from foreign invasion.


Although this is a common misunderstanding, show me what research shows this?

I am more motivated about economics/War, than over population. Over-population excacerbates issues, it is not the central source for them.


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Zep Tepi]
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Zep Tepi said:
Poid said:
Poid said:
Zep Tepi said:
Every human life is precious...

I disagree.






Zep Tepi said:
...and necessary.

Necessary for what? :confused:



Zep Tepi said:
A civilized world is possible. However, military (of every country) would need to be destroyed.

What evidence do you have to support this claim that a civilized world would only be possible if every country's military was destroyed? :what:



It would be nice if you could actually respond to what I said here...:crying:



I disagree every human life is precious.

Necessary for a purpose higher than you and I can understand.

There would be no wars of any kind.

It would be nice if you weren't so blunt also.


Sounds like you made a decision to cover up an existential problem, with that one right there. Look into that because although it is comforting, when it starts to break down and you have nowhere to go, you will regret you didnt attempt to smooth is out before hand and that is a pianful, pain, numbing and dread filled.


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: LysergicLeopard]
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Probono - I think its a good way to show people that kids are not what they are all cracked up to be, without having to eliminate their subconcious fear of god/the unknown(such as death) and their heavily repressed feeling of fitting in that is covered up in notions of who i am.

It would change the world for the better.

But it doesnt make a difference. It aint going to happen...just another sociaological thought excercise!

And yours?


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Poid]
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I guess it depends on necessity. Science explains the physical waking world. Dreams, UFOs, ghosts and other paranormal activity is unknown. The unknown can be looked at as knowledge that will be known. Isn't it funny how people put religion in place of unknown? I guess if one were on their death bed religion would function as a comfort. I don't think you can use it in physics class though. lol.


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Zep Tepi]
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Zep Tepi said:
I guess it depends on necessity.

What depends on necessity? Necessity in terms of what?



Zep Tepi said:
Science explains the physical waking world. Dreams, UFOs, ghosts and other paranormal activity is unknown.

Science has explained dreams, as well as the non-existence of paranormal bullshit. :holyshit:



Zep Tepi said:
I guess if one were on their death bed religion would function as a comfort. I don't think you can use it in physics class though. lol.

Death anxiety. :satansmoking:


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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I want to re-iterate a point and pose a question that I think has developed in this thread.


DOES OVERPOPULATION as it stands to you, exist as a source of a catastrophic future? Or is it a buffer than  affects the onset and severity of other problems(war, economic collapse, disease)

Ie. Do these economic problems stand on their own or are the outgrowths of overpopulation?


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Zep Tepi]
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hey man, your points are good. Its all fun here...with a little sriousness to boot. Even my statement was in fun, I actually have the same thing going on BTW - I am still stuck in this higher purpose/enlightenment/spritual evolution stuff that just masks the problems we have with our minds and our selves, in the way we feel act and percieve things. ITs a slow process but its just for fun, no real rush, its best to enjoy it on the way there...these are all ideas that work for me, even though I sparsley apply them(its just not fun to all the time)


:congrats: Cheers, to the shroomery! My never ending and organic book.


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Lakefingers]
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The solution is simple: 6 day a week stasis.

Monday People will be in suspension Tuesday through Sunday.

This will provide 84% less traffic, food requirements and other related resource reductions.


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said:
hey man, your points are good. Its all fun here...with a little sriousness to boot. Even my statement was in fun, I actually have the same thing going on BTW - I am still stuck in this higher purpose/enlightenment/spritual evolution stuff that just masks the problems we have with our minds and our selves, in the way we feel act and percieve things. ITs a slow process but its just for fun, no real rush, its best to enjoy it on the way there...these are all ideas that work for me, even though I sparsley apply them(its just not fun to all the time)


:congrats: Cheers, to the shroomery! My never ending and organic book.



Purty good attitude.:satansmoking:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Not when we still have a competition based economic structure...it would never hold, for a moment.


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
Zep Tepi said:
I was trying to stress the point that science doesn't have everything explained now.

Religion doesn't have much explained at all. :shrug:



It all depends on if an explanation to the unknown is necessity. Sorry for being confusing. I know that I am not completely right. I am only one man. I look to shroomery to fill in the gaps in my life.  :peace:


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Zep Tepi]
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Zep Tepi said:
Poid said:
Zep Tepi said:
I was trying to stress the point that science doesn't have everything explained now.

Religion doesn't have much explained at all. :shrug:



It all depends on if an explanation to the unknown is necessity.

What depends on this again? :confused:


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said:
I want to re-iterate a point and pose a question that I think has developed in this thread.


DOES OVERPOPULATION as it stands to you, exist as a source of a catastrophic future? Or is it a buffer than  affects the onset and severity of other problems(war, economic collapse, disease)

Ie. Do these economic problems stand on their own or are the outgrowths of overpopulation?


start long rant/-->

I have a secret brewing theory that homosapiens did not evolve in the typical manner assumed by slow steps, but rather, early humanoids bred wildly, spreading fast. Because there were no threats to them (relatively), many, many variations popped up. This is what happens when animals have it good. they breed and breed. This does not mean 'devolution' it is merely one part of evolution - the genetic variation stage.

The early humanoids were not seperate distinct species like humans and bonobos, but more like different breeds, eg. alsatians and poodles.

We humans are descendant from a particularly powerful, manipulative, intelligent humanoids with roughly the sort of body shape that we have now. However there would have been hundreds of other types of humanoids living in sparse groups all around the place.

The humanoids that we derived from were epic travellers and wanted to claim the world to themselves. The early humanoids all had bizarre emotions, that were sorta-complex mutations that arose simply because everyone could survive. Our humanoids had egotistical notions of elation that motivated them to conquer, because this provided them with self esteem, what has now developed into pride.

What is significant about this secret theory of mine is that The humans that we descended from stuck together. They recognised their own kind and felt strong emotions for eachother. They needed to identify themselves apart from all the other humanoids.

Over time they conquered women from all tribes. They spread their genes. Because they actually were superior, genetic purity became a survival advantage and thus the people who were very discriminative had high survival chance because they were more likely to breed with humans with compatible and healthy genes.

Over time they destroyed all other humanoids, as part of their natural progression. Due to the assimilations with other humanoids, we have distinct peoples. This is why we have different races.

However humans were left with a horrible stain. Once they had destroyed all the other humanoids, they were left merely with humans. But they still had the desire to conquer and prove themselves. So they began to fight eachother. They began to purify the races.

At the moment, all the races are basically the same, except for visible differences. Racism occurs when people are compelled to purify their race and rid themselves of the other breeds, because this helped previous humans become strong and plentiful. But in the end, people from all races can come together in harmony and love because essentially we are the same peoples, it is just that we have lingering instincts from the days when humans were not alone.

Just imagine two humanlike tribes coming together in an area that was controlled by some lesshumanlike tribe. the humans would just team together and win. Humans can work together at the drop of the hat, as long as they have some sort of obvious indication tha they are in the same group.

Nowadays we try in so many ways to fuel our instincts of pride and greed and the purity of our group, because it is part of who we are as human beings. And these instincts will always run in parallel to the wonderfully loving and tolerating instincts that allowed us to work together during those same rough times in the past.


NOW THE POINT IS

overpopulation at the moment... may just be a case of genetic proliferation... so many people are living today.. there are basically NO factors that systematically provide survival advantages. At the most, there are factors that make people breed more. BUT this is only a survival advantage if people are dying because it means you are filling up the stock with your own genes. If 'dumb' people are surviving, it is only a problem if they manage to kill off the 'smart' people.

But I do not think it is as simple as smart or dumb.

Smart people are people who can work things out in society and take control.

Dumb people are those who cant. It doesnt mean they have a dumb gene. It just means that any one of the processes that 'normal' humans use to communicate and make sense of the world are not quite present. These 'dumb' people may have all kinds of weird sensory traits or emotional trends that simply play no role in today's world.

But when population really starts rising.. some weird people might emerge.

Overpopulation is, I believe, the only way that a complex being like a humanoid can evolve, because the pressures of normal living are too great to let vague mutations through.

however when the animals can breed and survive easily, multiple layers of mutation can occur that are enough to provide a functional difference. These multiple layers must first make an animal less fit. It must simply survive by luck, rather than by fitness.


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Lakefingers]
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yes it needs more developing.

why do you think humanoids were never united?

I have heard people say that humans would unite much stronger if we discovered an alien race. I generally agree.


On the problem of overpopulation, it is a problem, but it isnt a problem. I think it is a problem because we cant kill people legally in large numbers and thus many people will end up dying anyway. But.. thats the thing in the end heaps of people die and heaps of people live, the discrete numbers dont seem that important in the long run.

I think the more immediate problems of overpopulation are that it will force civil unrest. Although I think wars are inevitable and traditionally have been the only way to really change paradigms, I generally want to avoid war for my sake, and the sake of my potential offspring.


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Lakefingers]
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Don't be such a sadhu.
Necessary for a purpose higher than you and I can understand.
It would be nice if you weren't so blunt also.

Zep Tepi, you're new around here so let me explain that personalisms like these are against the rules. The nature of the person you're debating with has nothing to do with the truth or falsity of their statements. This is why we leave the people out of the discussion and discuss only the topic.

Read the rules before you post here again. You can find them here:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4526664

While you're at it, read the Fallacies of Philosophical Debate post as well:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6787104

Consider this your warning.


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Interesting discussion


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Icelander]
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Answer my damn question.

KTHXBAI


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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You asked me something? Maybe I missed it.:confused:


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said:
I want to re-iterate a point and pose a question that I think has developed in this thread.


DOES OVERPOPULATION as it stands to you, exist as a source of a catastrophic future? Or is it a buffer than  affects the onset and severity of other problems(war, economic collapse, disease)

Ie. Do these economic problems stand on their own or are the outgrowths of overpopulation?


BTW - its not a good attitude, its a best attitude. Otherwise I get to cocky and forget the maintanence that the attitude takes.

:hi:


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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It's a matter of each state utilizing the human ressources to the benefit of the greater good. As long as the growth in popoulation can be translated into a growth in productivity within each state, the number of people won't be a problem.

I like people, the more the merrier:laugh:

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Lakefingers]
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Sometimes I've thought I'm a nihilist, according to traditional morals, other times I've realized that I'm simply too smart for many games, and human history has simply been a story of people with all sorts of reasons for partaking in games, with fools, opportunists, dullards, the ignorant and the uneducated filling the most brute functions and intellectuals, buddhas, etc avoiding society or propagating for more numbers of their own... waiting for a change in the weather, or a change in the biology---

Interesting. This bears a thread of it's own if you are interested. And between you and me I think it would be interesting to note the effect of death anxiety on this problem of waring humanity.:satansmoking:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Lakefingers]
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Overpopulation and unsanitary conditions will lead to new epidemics.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Jaegar]
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Necessarily?


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Poid]
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Not necessarily. There is much debate on the link between population density and epidemics.

To me it sounds more then plausible having people living close together would be a paradise for viruses and diseases.


Maybe with the use of vaccines this won't be as much of a problem.:syringe:

Edited by Jaegar (11/13/09 05:38 PM)

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Jaegar]
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Jaegar said:
Maybe with the use of vaccines this won't be a problem.:syringe:

Or maybe people could just carry sanitary wipes with them more often. :shrug:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Jaegar]
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What about air born contagions?

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Jaegar]
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Lysol.


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Poid]
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Lysol could work. But I doubt if for instance you commute by train people are going to be happy with you spraying Lysol everywhere.:tongue:

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Jaegar]
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If the problem becomes that serious, then I suppose people would have to wear those doctor masks. :smirk:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Poid]
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You would need a specially designed filtered mask, ordinary masks do not offer immunity.


Could turn it into a new fashion, how cool would you look in one of these.

Edited by Jaegar (11/13/09 08:05 PM)

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Jaegar]
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It would depend on precisely what the problem is, and also on how severe it is.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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I'm not very sure I agree. Early humans it now seems from evidence gathered were big time wasters and polluters. They did not have however the numbers or technology to overwhelm the ability of nature to restore itself from the effects of their actions.

But in the end this is not the issue for me. I'm sure we can create a grid we can all live on so just about every usable inch has a human or a plowed field on it. There need be no more or very few wild places with other species going about the business of life as we do. We and a few chosen creatures will be safe. But it's not for me and I'm going to be very glad to be gone.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Lakefingers]
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anarchy is the only solution

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Conaman12]
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anarchy is just a diversion of the problem to something that cannot be isolated with a concept like 'government'. There is never true anarchy, humans always create laws. There is merely different extents to how they enforce the laws, how large their jurisdiction is, and how much people know about the laws and try to follow them.

in other words, anarchy is nothing.. it is merely breaking up government into little entities known as 'leaders' or 'persuasive people' who might try to enforce their opinions in any way they like


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Lakefingers said:
Easy-to-ready article with another perspective:

John Feffer: Overpopulation - Overhyped

"More pertinent than how we procreate is how we farm: whether we use the land for biofuels, whether we depend on industrial agriculture, whether we cut down the rainforests, whether we devote large portions of land and grain production for livestock. If we don't change the way we farm, we will still reach our approaching limits � of energy, land, and carbon emissions � at current or even lower population levels. Our systems of production are set up in a way to produce this crisis, regardless of whether there are 6 billion people or 3 billion people who need to eat. Of course, with fewer people, the onset of the crisis wouldn't be as rapid. But if we don't change the systems, the crisis will come nevertheless. Overpopulation, in other words, is an aggravating factor, not a driving factor."

Scary :shocked:

Read the article here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-feffer/overpopulation-overhyped_b_119885.html


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Conaman12 said:
anarchy is the only solution


Anarchy, just like world peace, is impossible. :satansmoking:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Poid said:
Conaman12 said:
anarchy is the only solution


Anarchy, just like world peace, is impossible. :satansmoking:



They are simply ideas set as the extreme reference points

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Impossible ideas. :flyingpig:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Poid]
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How about tribal life? Anarchy outside of the the tribe. Inside of the tribe is pure democracy.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Conaman12]
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I was sort of just speaking about American and/or the global society of human beings, but obviously, peace and anarchy would be much easier to attain/sustain within a relatively extremely small group of people. :mob:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Poid]
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Maybe if the world runs out of oil this will happen

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Conaman12]
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Before there is only a "relatively extremely small group of people" left on the Earth, billions have to die, so I doubt it would happen soon after the world runs out of oil; also, you have to consider that alternative energy technology has been improving lately. :earth:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Poid]
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Well maybe billions will die. I hope not... unless it would be for the better

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Conaman12]
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The fact that the ideal has no place in our world is inane. How could we do anything in the real world if we dont plan things in an ideal realm? Nothing would be designed if we didnt work in an ideal environment and then develop a method of making the ideal work in the real world.

Just because an idea is impossible in our world, doesn't mean it has no use.

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Conaman12 said:
Well maybe billions will die. I hope not... unless it would be for the better


If you were one of those billions, would you even care if it was for the better? :strokebeard:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Poid]
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Yes. If it was for the greater good I would gladly die, i'm tired of this civilization anyway.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Conaman12]
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Amen, I have little, very little interest in culture or my fellow man anymore. Except as comedy of course.:satansmoking:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Icelander]
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Yea Most people just seem like robots nowadays. Maybe i'm a robot!!! How do I know???!!! :shocked:    .... Nah I think i'm human

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Conaman12]
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More like chemical driven machines.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Icelander]
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Is there such thing as a soul?

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Icelander]
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there's no requirement to stay concerned with or live inside "culture"

plus there's always drugs and neat experiences to be had

maybe you need a new friend, icelander?

:naughty:


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deff said:
there's no requirement to stay concerned with or live inside "culture"

plus there's always drugs and neat experiences to be had

maybe you need a new friend, icelander?

:naughty:


deff said:
there's no requirement to stay concerned with or live inside "culture"

plus there's always drugs and neat experiences to be had

maybe you need a new friend, icelander?

:naughty:



Your personal comments are out of line. I have a friend that is beyond your comprehension.

Everyone lives inside and is concerned with culture. Think man.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Conaman12]
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Conaman12 said:
Is there such thing as a soul?


IMO no. There is no evidence that is reasonable for the existence of a soul. The idea of soul, imo, is a direct result of death anxiety in man.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Conaman12]
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Conaman12 said:
Yes. If it was for the greater good I would gladly die, i'm tired of this civilization anyway.

Are you tired of yourself as well? :lol:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Poid]
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Nothing wrong with being tired of ones life. Maybe some folk want something more. Don't be so fast to laugh, I've got a feeling you are going to find this out for yourself one day.:satansmoking:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Icelander]
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Nah my life is awesome. I just don't care if I die if it benifits the life force because either the other side will be awesome, or there will be nothing, or maybe i'll end up in hell. No way to know for sure.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Conaman12]
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:thumbup:

I wasn't saying that you don't like your life. I was just saying there is nothing wrong with that position for anyone. Some people have high standards.:lol:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Icelander (11/16/09 11:04 AM)

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Oh i was replying to ploid. Yea i definitely want more from life. I've seen what I want in dreams and trips. heaven sure is beautiful... and achievable here on earth but not at this stage in human evolution. Yea Civilization is a bitch. I mean that in saying your culture is forced upon you.. YOU ARE CULTURE. Culture is not this book type set of customs and rules for you to follow like everyone sees it. That just makes you a robot. You are programmed by your culture. It shouldn't be like that. I applaud anyone who denies their culture in place of their own.

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Icelander said:
Nothing wrong with being tired of ones life. Maybe some folk want something more. Don't be so fast to laugh, I've got a feeling you are going to find this out for yourself one day.:satansmoking:

How is death more than life? :confused:



Conaman12 said:
Nah my life is awesome. I just don't care if I die if it benifits the life force...

What is the "life force"? :hehehe:



Conaman12 said:
...because either the other side will be awesome, or there will be nothing, or maybe i'll end up in hell. No way to know for sure.

You are correct, there is no way to know for sure. :evil:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Poid]
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The Life force is the biological spirit. God. Whatever deity you believe in. If your are atheist then the overall well being of all living species living and yet to be living.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Conaman12]
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And death could easily be more than life if there is something on the other side.

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