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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Zep Tepi]
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Zep Tepi said:
I guess it depends on necessity.

What depends on necessity? Necessity in terms of what?



Zep Tepi said:
Science explains the physical waking world. Dreams, UFOs, ghosts and other paranormal activity is unknown.

Science has explained dreams, as well as the non-existence of paranormal bullshit. :holyshit:



Zep Tepi said:
I guess if one were on their death bed religion would function as a comfort. I don't think you can use it in physics class though. lol.

Death anxiety. :satansmoking:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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I want to re-iterate a point and pose a question that I think has developed in this thread.


DOES OVERPOPULATION as it stands to you, exist as a source of a catastrophic future? Or is it a buffer than  affects the onset and severity of other problems(war, economic collapse, disease)

Ie. Do these economic problems stand on their own or are the outgrowths of overpopulation?


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Zep Tepi]
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hey man, your points are good. Its all fun here...with a little sriousness to boot. Even my statement was in fun, I actually have the same thing going on BTW - I am still stuck in this higher purpose/enlightenment/spritual evolution stuff that just masks the problems we have with our minds and our selves, in the way we feel act and percieve things. ITs a slow process but its just for fun, no real rush, its best to enjoy it on the way there...these are all ideas that work for me, even though I sparsley apply them(its just not fun to all the time)


:congrats: Cheers, to the shroomery! My never ending and organic book.


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Lakefingers]
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The solution is simple: 6 day a week stasis.

Monday People will be in suspension Tuesday through Sunday.

This will provide 84% less traffic, food requirements and other related resource reductions.


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said:
hey man, your points are good. Its all fun here...with a little sriousness to boot. Even my statement was in fun, I actually have the same thing going on BTW - I am still stuck in this higher purpose/enlightenment/spritual evolution stuff that just masks the problems we have with our minds and our selves, in the way we feel act and percieve things. ITs a slow process but its just for fun, no real rush, its best to enjoy it on the way there...these are all ideas that work for me, even though I sparsley apply them(its just not fun to all the time)


:congrats: Cheers, to the shroomery! My never ending and organic book.



Purty good attitude.:satansmoking:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Not when we still have a competition based economic structure...it would never hold, for a moment.


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
Zep Tepi said:
I was trying to stress the point that science doesn't have everything explained now.

Religion doesn't have much explained at all. :shrug:



It all depends on if an explanation to the unknown is necessity. Sorry for being confusing. I know that I am not completely right. I am only one man. I look to shroomery to fill in the gaps in my life.  :peace:


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Zep Tepi]
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Zep Tepi said:
Poid said:
Zep Tepi said:
I was trying to stress the point that science doesn't have everything explained now.

Religion doesn't have much explained at all. :shrug:



It all depends on if an explanation to the unknown is necessity.

What depends on this again? :confused:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said:
I want to re-iterate a point and pose a question that I think has developed in this thread.


DOES OVERPOPULATION as it stands to you, exist as a source of a catastrophic future? Or is it a buffer than  affects the onset and severity of other problems(war, economic collapse, disease)

Ie. Do these economic problems stand on their own or are the outgrowths of overpopulation?


start long rant/-->

I have a secret brewing theory that homosapiens did not evolve in the typical manner assumed by slow steps, but rather, early humanoids bred wildly, spreading fast. Because there were no threats to them (relatively), many, many variations popped up. This is what happens when animals have it good. they breed and breed. This does not mean 'devolution' it is merely one part of evolution - the genetic variation stage.

The early humanoids were not seperate distinct species like humans and bonobos, but more like different breeds, eg. alsatians and poodles.

We humans are descendant from a particularly powerful, manipulative, intelligent humanoids with roughly the sort of body shape that we have now. However there would have been hundreds of other types of humanoids living in sparse groups all around the place.

The humanoids that we derived from were epic travellers and wanted to claim the world to themselves. The early humanoids all had bizarre emotions, that were sorta-complex mutations that arose simply because everyone could survive. Our humanoids had egotistical notions of elation that motivated them to conquer, because this provided them with self esteem, what has now developed into pride.

What is significant about this secret theory of mine is that The humans that we descended from stuck together. They recognised their own kind and felt strong emotions for eachother. They needed to identify themselves apart from all the other humanoids.

Over time they conquered women from all tribes. They spread their genes. Because they actually were superior, genetic purity became a survival advantage and thus the people who were very discriminative had high survival chance because they were more likely to breed with humans with compatible and healthy genes.

Over time they destroyed all other humanoids, as part of their natural progression. Due to the assimilations with other humanoids, we have distinct peoples. This is why we have different races.

However humans were left with a horrible stain. Once they had destroyed all the other humanoids, they were left merely with humans. But they still had the desire to conquer and prove themselves. So they began to fight eachother. They began to purify the races.

At the moment, all the races are basically the same, except for visible differences. Racism occurs when people are compelled to purify their race and rid themselves of the other breeds, because this helped previous humans become strong and plentiful. But in the end, people from all races can come together in harmony and love because essentially we are the same peoples, it is just that we have lingering instincts from the days when humans were not alone.

Just imagine two humanlike tribes coming together in an area that was controlled by some lesshumanlike tribe. the humans would just team together and win. Humans can work together at the drop of the hat, as long as they have some sort of obvious indication tha they are in the same group.

Nowadays we try in so many ways to fuel our instincts of pride and greed and the purity of our group, because it is part of who we are as human beings. And these instincts will always run in parallel to the wonderfully loving and tolerating instincts that allowed us to work together during those same rough times in the past.


NOW THE POINT IS

overpopulation at the moment... may just be a case of genetic proliferation... so many people are living today.. there are basically NO factors that systematically provide survival advantages. At the most, there are factors that make people breed more. BUT this is only a survival advantage if people are dying because it means you are filling up the stock with your own genes. If 'dumb' people are surviving, it is only a problem if they manage to kill off the 'smart' people.

But I do not think it is as simple as smart or dumb.

Smart people are people who can work things out in society and take control.

Dumb people are those who cant. It doesnt mean they have a dumb gene. It just means that any one of the processes that 'normal' humans use to communicate and make sense of the world are not quite present. These 'dumb' people may have all kinds of weird sensory traits or emotional trends that simply play no role in today's world.

But when population really starts rising.. some weird people might emerge.

Overpopulation is, I believe, the only way that a complex being like a humanoid can evolve, because the pressures of normal living are too great to let vague mutations through.

however when the animals can breed and survive easily, multiple layers of mutation can occur that are enough to provide a functional difference. These multiple layers must first make an animal less fit. It must simply survive by luck, rather than by fitness.


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Lakefingers]
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yes it needs more developing.

why do you think humanoids were never united?

I have heard people say that humans would unite much stronger if we discovered an alien race. I generally agree.


On the problem of overpopulation, it is a problem, but it isnt a problem. I think it is a problem because we cant kill people legally in large numbers and thus many people will end up dying anyway. But.. thats the thing in the end heaps of people die and heaps of people live, the discrete numbers dont seem that important in the long run.

I think the more immediate problems of overpopulation are that it will force civil unrest. Although I think wars are inevitable and traditionally have been the only way to really change paradigms, I generally want to avoid war for my sake, and the sake of my potential offspring.


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Lakefingers]
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Don't be such a sadhu.
Necessary for a purpose higher than you and I can understand.
It would be nice if you weren't so blunt also.

Zep Tepi, you're new around here so let me explain that personalisms like these are against the rules. The nature of the person you're debating with has nothing to do with the truth or falsity of their statements. This is why we leave the people out of the discussion and discuss only the topic.

Read the rules before you post here again. You can find them here:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4526664

While you're at it, read the Fallacies of Philosophical Debate post as well:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6787104

Consider this your warning.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Lakefingers]
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Interesting discussion


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Icelander]
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Answer my damn question.

KTHXBAI


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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You asked me something? Maybe I missed it.:confused:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said:
I want to re-iterate a point and pose a question that I think has developed in this thread.


DOES OVERPOPULATION as it stands to you, exist as a source of a catastrophic future? Or is it a buffer than  affects the onset and severity of other problems(war, economic collapse, disease)

Ie. Do these economic problems stand on their own or are the outgrowths of overpopulation?


BTW - its not a good attitude, its a best attitude. Otherwise I get to cocky and forget the maintanence that the attitude takes.

:hi:


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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It's a matter of each state utilizing the human ressources to the benefit of the greater good. As long as the growth in popoulation can be translated into a growth in productivity within each state, the number of people won't be a problem.

I like people, the more the merrier:laugh:

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Lakefingers]
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Sometimes I've thought I'm a nihilist, according to traditional morals, other times I've realized that I'm simply too smart for many games, and human history has simply been a story of people with all sorts of reasons for partaking in games, with fools, opportunists, dullards, the ignorant and the uneducated filling the most brute functions and intellectuals, buddhas, etc avoiding society or propagating for more numbers of their own... waiting for a change in the weather, or a change in the biology---

Interesting. This bears a thread of it's own if you are interested. And between you and me I think it would be interesting to note the effect of death anxiety on this problem of waring humanity.:satansmoking:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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