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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Noteworthy]
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Noteworthy said:
ps. my prediction is mass starvation, disease, and war. Life on earth has always been that way... In fact it is that way right now. We priveleged internet surfers just exist in a nice little bubble. I wonder how long the bubble can last?


:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Zep Tepi]
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It's a matter of each state utilizing the human ressources to the benefit of the greater good. As long as the growth in popoulation can be translated into a growth in productivity within each state, the number of people won't be a problem.

I like people, the more the merrier:laugh:

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Zep Tepi]
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Poid said:
Zep Tepi said:
Every human life is precious...

I disagree.





Zep Tepi said:
...and necessary.

Necessary for what? :confused:



Zep Tepi said:
A civilized world is possible. However, military (of every country) would need to be destroyed.

What evidence do you have to support this claim that a civilized world would only be possible if every country's military was destroyed? :what:



It would be nice if you could actually respond to what I said here...:crying:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) *DELETED* [Re: Zep Tepi]
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Post deleted by Lakefingers

Reason for deletion: No reason.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
Poid said:
Zep Tepi said:
Every human life is precious...

I disagree.






Zep Tepi said:
...and necessary.

Necessary for what? :confused:



Zep Tepi said:
A civilized world is possible. However, military (of every country) would need to be destroyed.

What evidence do you have to support this claim that a civilized world would only be possible if every country's military was destroyed? :what:



It would be nice if you could actually respond to what I said here...:crying:



I disagree every human life is precious.

Necessary for a purpose higher than you and I can understand.

There would be no wars of any kind.

It would be nice if you weren't so blunt also.


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I felt like I was tricked. Having finally standing above everything. Looking down on life. The mystery is going to be reveled. One step at a time, on this path. Harmony...

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Zep Tepi]
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Don't you think, by removing the military, you just leave the door open to gangs and mobs?


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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Lakefingers]
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or are you suggesting things were acceptable back then? I'd be surprised!

They were acceptable to me cause that's all I knew. That's why I say it's subjective.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Noteworthy]
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Over population is already a problem imo.

Its just a matter of time before disease, loss of resources or governmental intervention will take care of over population.


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L'enfer est plein de bonnes volontés et désirs

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Noteworthy]
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Ok, in an ideal civilized world. We would harmonize with nature. This means keeping a population relative to resources. We shift all of our labor to machines. Now no one works. We are free to do what we want with our time. I believe we could function as a collective of city states. Local law enforcement would be necessary. I know it's not a perfect system. But at least we wouldn't have to worry about world wars.


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I felt like I was tricked. Having finally standing above everything. Looking down on life. The mystery is going to be reveled. One step at a time, on this path. Harmony...

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Zep Tepi]
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I disagree every human life is precious.

Necessary for a purpose higher than you and I can understand.

There would be no wars of any kind.

It would be nice if you weren't so blunt also.

Precious is a subjective value judgment. I doubt evolution thinks about this.

And how do you know that in understanding basic evolution theory we do not understand what's going on. More subjective value judgments.

Humans haven't changed their basic emotional blueprint in our known history. There is no reason to believe that we will ever become non violent to some degree. It's very natural.

I suggest you grow a thick skin here. It makes things much more fun.:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Icelander (11/12/09 12:37 PM)

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) *DELETED* [Re: Noteworthy]
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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) *DELETED* [Re: Zep Tepi]
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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Icelander]
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Lakefingers said:
Dyingjezuz said:
It's a matter of each state utilizing the human ressources to the benefit of the greater good. As long as the growth in popoulation can be translated into a growth in productivity within each state, the number of people won't be a problem.

I like people, the more the merrier:D


Is this reasonable considering human nature/history/current events as several have pointed out?



Yeah very reasonable indeed.


As long as people work there won't be an overpopulation, the problems will stem from a bad administration of rescources which practical wise is only made easier by the ever advancing technology, and progression of sceince.   

The population will be able to create more and more and from an ethical point of view that's the best we can hope for (as we're all gonna die anyways).

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Lakefingers]
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Come on. Don't be such a sadhu. You certainly seem to be concerned with more than sleep, food, the world as it is to you and poo. Let loose on some theories skidding out on thin ice. You certainly can't think, with all you write about here and know, that the mid-20th Century wasn't just as shitty as this, if not in some ways worse and others slightly better. After all, we didn't have the 80's yet. :lol:


:lol: Yeah it's all been shitty mostly. But I was young and there weren't so many restrictions on my outdoor pleasures and not so many yahoos out there in four wheel drives and ATVs. So again subjective. Technology combined with human irrational behavior makes for a bad experience imo and the more folk doing it the worse it is.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Icelander]
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Science today cannot explain everything. How do you fill in the gaps? If we are evolving what is the natural selector? I don't believe we are maintaining an environment we can continue to evolve in. The majority is suffering. Because of the mis-management of our leaders. Also genetically we can never be peaceful. Total extinction of man would be good also. Hopefully we can imagine something better.


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I felt like I was tricked. Having finally standing above everything. Looking down on life. The mystery is going to be reveled. One step at a time, on this path. Harmony...

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Lakefingers]
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Lakefingers said:
Icelander said:
or are you suggesting things were acceptable back then? I'd be surprised!

They were acceptable to me cause that's all I knew. That's why I say it's subjective.


Come on. Don't be such a sadhu. You certainly seem to be concerned with more than sleep, food, the world as it is to you and poo. Let loose on some theories skidding out on thin ice. You certainly can't think, with all you write about here and know, that the mid-20th Century wasn't just as shitty as this, if not in some ways worse and others slightly better. After all, we didn't have the 80's yet. :lol:

Zep Tepi said:
Ok, in an ideal civilized world. We would harmonize with nature. This means keeping a population relative to resources. We shift all of our labor to machines. Now no one works. We are free to do what we want with our time. I believe we could function as a collective of city states. Local law enforcement would be necessary. I know it's not a perfect system. But at least we wouldn't have to worry about world wars.


Hm. Not having to worry about world wars and being free from work might be considered setting your standards a bit low. Honestly.


lol


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I felt like I was tricked. Having finally standing above everything. Looking down on life. The mystery is going to be reveled. One step at a time, on this path. Harmony...

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Zep Tepi]
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Zep Tepi said:
I disagree every human life is precious.

This is a debate-oriented philosophy forum; if you disagree with anything that I said, then it is expected that you explain why you disagree.



Zep Tepi said:
Necessary for a purpose higher than you and I can understand.

Please leave your opinions of any individual poster's ability to understand a "higher purpose" out of this forum; remember, in this forum, we are discussing the ideas presented, not the individual who presented them.



Zep Tepi said:
There would be no wars of any kind.

Do you have any supporting evidence for this statement? What makes you think that getting rid of every country's military powers will somehow make it so that nobody wants to fight anybody else?



Zep Tepi said:
It would be nice if you weren't so blunt also.

Being blunt is not against the rules here! :gethigh:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Zep Tepi]
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Zep Tepi said:
Science today cannot explain everything. How do you fill in the gaps? If we are evolving what is the natural selector? I don't believe we are maintaining an environment we can continue to evolve in. The majority is suffering. Because of the mis-management of our leaders. Also genetically we can never be peaceful. Total extinction of man would be good also. Hopefully we can imagine something better.



As Mr. Natural sez: "twas ever thus"


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: Zep Tepi]
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Zep Tepi said:
I disagree every human life is precious.

Necessary for a purpose higher than you and I can understand.



Fertilizer comes to mind.

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Re: Overpopulation and Philosophy (of the Future) [Re: LysergicLeopard]
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Nice! :highfive:


:cuteshit:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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