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OfflineJammer
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Re: Pentagon to moniter every purchase made by citizen [Re: Evolving]
    #1086254 - 11/26/02 01:49 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

RE: "The constitution is void where prohibited by law"

LMAO!!!

Man, Im surprized that a politician hasnt thought of this one yet!! :smile:
 


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Re: Pentagon to moniter every purchase made by citizen [Re: Evolving]
    #1086283 - 11/26/02 02:10 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

It sure is. But Judges decide what laws are constitutional, and their INFO will be gathered as well.

Think of it as a BROAD search warrant for Terrorists. For any other behavior, unless it is completely out in the open, it has no power against you. My only concern for this type of gathering system would be CRIMINALS breaking into it and using it against you. But they already can get to all this information if they WANT it REAL bad.

Personally I don't FEAR the government that grants me Freedom from the Tyrrany my Remaining ancestors fled. Think of the power the government has, think of what they could DO, if they were up to no good. Who could really stop them from just knocking on every door, coming in, and arresting you for whatever they wanted to. THEY RESPECT THEIR OWN FREEDOM AS MUCH AS YOU DO. After reading the majority of posts in this forum, I would say they respect it more then most here do.

Why would'nt they just do a head count. A door to door search at gun point would be FAR more EFFECTIVE then collecting information and storing it in a computer. Why? Because they actually DO RESPECT FREEDOM.





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Re: Pentagon to moniter every purchase made by citizen [Re: Jammer]
    #1086289 - 11/26/02 02:12 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Go to the ACLU NOW. Let your voice be heard. You don't even have to get off of your butt to take action. Sure they want your name and address, but would you rather tell the government your name and address for the millionth time (they know it already). Or would you rather they know virtually everything about you, profile you, and statistically predict what you are about to do next. It seems that pretty soon after implementing this system they'd be able to charge you for a crime you haven't even commited yet, just because 1000 people with the same profile as you committed that crime.

I suggest we start pooling resources NOW to start the process of colonizing mars. And BE READY to "vote from the rooftops".

Perhaps these sound like the thoughts of someone not quite so right in the head. Well, I think its best to have these thoughts while they're still legal.


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OfflineYouInfoIt
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Re: Pentagon to moniter every purchase made by citizen [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1092817 - 11/28/02 01:57 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

quote --If Bush gets re-elected in 2004 I'll be ready to go in a flash. The smart people didn't wait until 1939 to get out of Germany.--

good call, run for your lives!! but where is there to go? the EU, are they gonna be the saviours of humanity. i fear not. where are the damn aliens when ya need em?


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Re: Pentagon to moniter every purchase made by citizen [Re: YouInfoIt]
    #1094704 - 11/28/02 10:41 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Ill leave this country ONLY in fear of my goverment, NOT some crazy arab!!!!!

HMMmm,... lets see i predict bush will still be in office past 2004, NOT due to re-election.


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Offlineribbit
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Re: Pentagon to moniter every purchase made by citizen [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1098922 - 11/30/02 07:04 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

true dat,

i believe the gov't cares more about if your not paying all your taxes rather than if other counties threaten our very existance...

i know where to go, and thats canada.

canada rules!


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OfflineMurex
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Re: Pentagon to moniter every purchase made by citizen [Re: ]
    #1099000 - 11/30/02 07:55 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

If they use it against you, you will be able to use it against them.

I don't think civilians will have access to this information.

This monitorization is one of the BIGGEST infringement of rights! The U.S. citizens are pretty fucking stupid for supporting this too- I'm sure most of the stuff the government finds isn't going to be for fighting terrorism, I'll give you that much. This is so typical for it to be okay now as opposed to before 9-11. People should open their eyes and...yeah- REALIZE!

:mad: :wink: :blush:


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Re: Pentagon to moniter every purchase made by citizen [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1099005 - 11/30/02 07:57 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Ill leave this country ONLY in fear of my goverment, NOT some crazy arab!!!!!

Amen my brotha.


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Re: Pentagon to moniter every purchase made by citizen [Re: Murex]
    #1099025 - 11/30/02 08:08 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

you know what would be fucked up, if 9-11 (rest their souls) was a conspiracy to push this through. you know if there wasn't all this terror talk, that there would be know way people would see it as being a good thing... its like a big brainwashing scam...

probably not, but just a thought


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Re: Pentagon to moniter every purchase made by citizen [Re: ribbit]
    #1099868 - 12/01/02 02:06 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

ya know the funny thing is the media, potrays bush as an idiot, and i think bush probibly likes that cause look at the way he acts. I've seen some pics of him doing stupid things, he could be doing all of the stupid things on purpose. I really think bush is accually one of the most smartest individuals there are.

What was once thought of as conspiracy or radicalizm, is now becoming outright conspiracy!


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Re: Pentagon to moniter every purchase made by citizen [Re: ]
    #1099990 - 12/01/02 03:00 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Why would'nt they just do a head count. A door to door search at gun point would be FAR more EFFECTIVE then collecting information and storing it in a computer. Why? Because they actually DO RESPECT FREEDOM.



Hrmm... Think about it, Teonan

The government needs the people's support. If they did something as openly drastic as that, there might be a tiny bit of a nationwide uproar. That's why they gotta do it all subtle and sneaky-like under the guise of protecting the American people from terrorists. They gotta keep people on their side.

If you think what you said is proof that our government respects freedom, i think youre horribly misinformed.

Fuck smiley glad-hands with hidden agendas.


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Re: Pentagon to moniter every purchase made by citizen [Re: Murex]
    #1100321 - 12/01/02 04:56 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I already have access to all the info they can gather on me. I know exactly what I have done, and will do.

What I am saying is If EVERYONES INFO CAN BE GATHERED then everyone's INFO will be in there. So whom ever you think is USING IT for wrong doing, will be able to use it aginst JUDGES, POLICE, everyone in a position of authority over you.

That is why, the spying powers ARE LIMITED to certain types of Activities of people that are already suspected of the CRIMES they are investigating.

Do you think the people that signed it into law would allow their own phones to be taped, without a search warrant, or judges would allow it to be used as evidence to convict themselves. It really just LIGHTENS the restrictions for evidence gathering on SPECIFIC TYPES OF CRIMES.

As far as DRUG laws go, those restrictions have already been lightened, long before 9-11.



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Re: Pentagon to moniter every purchase made by citizen [Re: ]
    #1100576 - 12/01/02 11:57 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I think drug laws were lightened because it became too obvious how bullshit they were.

The government is playing a game of divide and conquer.
Now that they will have extended information on every citizen it's gonna be alot easier for them.




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Re: Pentagon to moniter every purchase made by citizen [Re: Grav]
    #1101862 - 12/01/02 10:21 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

They should also have cameras in our bathrooms and bedrooms, so they can watch us pee and have sex with our wives!


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Re: Pentagon to moniter every purchase made by citizen [Re: Grav]
    #1105015 - 12/02/02 08:54 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

The info gathering and Use of info is still bound by constituional protections. It just lightened them for certain types of crimes, that EVERYONE agrees are worth prosectuing.

Drug laws havent' been lightened really. I was stating that the restrictions to enforcing them have already been lightened prior to 9-11.

I don't like this Act either, I just don't fear it yet.

I also KNOW that the Government is the people of the USA. ALL of it's actions are a result of People making them happen. People that are citizens of the USA. Free citizens.


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Re: Pentagon to moniter every purchase made by citizen [Re: Jammer]
    #1106150 - 12/03/02 03:29 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Pentagon to moniter every purchase made by citizen [Re: ]
    #1143180 - 12/15/02 01:57 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

In reply to:

As far as DRUG laws go, those restrictions have already been lightened, long before 9-11.




Your getting ready to see a new evil face on the drug war. Your getting ready to see genocide, on drug users!!!!!!!!


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