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OfflineCaptainCrunch
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Beautiful proposal ethical/moral contradiction
    #11428363 - 11/10/09 09:20 PM (12 years, 24 days ago)

I don't really know how to say this, and capture the feeling that i have but here gos, my sister is a lesbian my father hates this fact but i think that is besides the point.. Well she plans on having children one day and she wants to be the carrier what she asked was if i would donate my sperm to her partners egg that she would carry, i respond that i could not answer now but when the time came i would respond.. what then i ask are the consequences if any of doing such a thing.. in an uncomfortable way i am flattered, Ive never quite experienced any feeling like this. so what do you think if the proposal came from a loved one of yours would you do it? yes no reason why.. thanks


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Re: Beautiful proposal ethical/moral contradiction [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #11428399 - 11/10/09 09:24 PM (12 years, 24 days ago)

You get to impregnate your sister's gf? :highfive:


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Re: Beautiful proposal ethical/moral contradiction [Re: Doc_T]
    #11428434 - 11/10/09 09:28 PM (12 years, 24 days ago)

no actually my sister wants to carry her future wife's egg and be inseminated with one of our family's sperm as to carry on the blood line..


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Re: Beautiful proposal ethical/moral contradiction [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #11428442 - 11/10/09 09:30 PM (12 years, 24 days ago)

Don't like kids.:satansmoking:


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Re: Beautiful proposal ethical/moral contradiction [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #11428536 - 11/10/09 09:44 PM (12 years, 24 days ago)

What makes this not a form of inbreeding? 

That alone would be the question I ask myself, before telling her "Sorry, but no."


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Re: Beautiful proposal ethical/moral contradiction [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
    #11428566 - 11/10/09 09:49 PM (12 years, 24 days ago)

i mean and dont get me wrong i havent said yes or no.. but is it truly inbreeding in the technical sense? considering she would just be the carrier... how bout this alot of women who can't have children ask there sisters to carry, is that inbreeding?


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Re: Beautiful proposal ethical/moral contradiction [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #11428610 - 11/10/09 09:57 PM (12 years, 24 days ago)

I know a lesbian couple who had each brother of the respective partners donate sperm to impregnate the other partner.  Worked out great for them.


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Re: Beautiful proposal ethical/moral contradiction [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
    #11428635 - 11/10/09 10:03 PM (12 years, 24 days ago)

What makes this not a form of inbreeding?

It's not inbreeding. His genetic material will combine with an unrelated woman's (his sister's girlfriend).

It's weird, but it's not inbreeding.


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Re: Beautiful proposal ethical/moral contradiction [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #11428641 - 11/10/09 10:04 PM (12 years, 24 days ago)

What's with donating? Tell her you will do it the old fashioned way. :yesnod:


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Re: Beautiful proposal ethical/moral contradiction [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11428692 - 11/10/09 10:15 PM (12 years, 24 days ago)

lol^, but why is it wierd? is it social conditioning that makes me feel uncomfortable? or would i feel this way anyway


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Re: Beautiful proposal ethical/moral contradiction [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #11428706 - 11/10/09 10:18 PM (12 years, 24 days ago)

That would be very hard to say.


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Re: Beautiful proposal ethical/moral contradiction [Re: Icelander]
    #11428727 - 11/10/09 10:22 PM (12 years, 24 days ago)

would it be an act of "goodness" to do it?


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Re: Beautiful proposal ethical/moral contradiction [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #11428766 - 11/10/09 10:29 PM (12 years, 24 days ago)

An act of what? I really can't connect anymore. I just can't think like that.

I suggest you do whatever the fuck you want if you can manage it. If you can't then do whatever someone else wants. Simple.


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Re: Beautiful proposal ethical/moral contradiction [Re: Icelander]
    #11428814 - 11/10/09 10:38 PM (12 years, 24 days ago)

The only issue is, you don't get to nob your sisters GF.
That effing sucks and blows,dang!


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Re: Beautiful proposal ethical/moral contradiction [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #11428825 - 11/10/09 10:40 PM (12 years, 24 days ago)

Quote:

CaptainCrunch said:
would it be an act of "goodness" to do it?




We can't answer this for you as it is unlikely that an objective system of morality exists.  Instead try asking yourself whether your conscience would permit you to do it.


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Re: Beautiful proposal ethical/moral contradiction [Re: deCypher]
    #11429050 - 11/10/09 11:09 PM (12 years, 24 days ago)

Quote:

deCypher said:
Quote:

CaptainCrunch said:
would it be an act of "goodness" to do it?




We can't answer this for you as it is unlikely that an objective system of morality exists.  Instead try asking yourself whether your conscience would permit you to do it.




thank you for your honesty.. but i would like to touch on objective morality, and this question is cliche' but id like it answered thoroughly if no objective morality exist than why is it not ok to murder someone? or use any example of a moral? if you will thanks..


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Re: Beautiful proposal ethical/moral contradiction [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #11429138 - 11/10/09 11:20 PM (12 years, 24 days ago)

"Why is it not okay to murder someone?"

Loaded question.  For some people it's okay to murder someone, and for others (the majority, I would hope) it's not okay to murder someone.


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Re: Beautiful proposal ethical/moral contradiction [Re: deCypher]
    #11429159 - 11/10/09 11:23 PM (12 years, 24 days ago)

but is it the idea behind murder that makes it not ok?


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Re: Beautiful proposal ethical/moral contradiction [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #11429161 - 11/10/09 11:23 PM (12 years, 24 days ago)

but why is it wierd?

1. I think having children is weird. Sustaining or even increasing the burden I leave hanging on this planet is already more than I care for when it's just me alone. Why anyone would want to increase their footprint and dump yet more nasty human plague on this poor planet is beyond weird to me.

If there weren't enough of us or even if the human metastatic rate were sustainable, then OK, I'd get it; it wouldn't seem so weird but that's not the case.

2. People place a lot of importance in making sure their offspring share protein coding biomolecular mechanisms with themselves, to the point of creating another mouth to feed rather than adopting one that's already eating. I find that just weird. As if having biological children left behind after you're decomposing in the ground is important in any way. In a thousand year there will be absolutely no trace whatsoever of you or your children ever having existed and the impact you and your children made on the universe will have been so insignificant that only someone with a weird psyche would place any importance on chemically-related offspring IMO.

3. I find it weird that you could be your nephew's father or that your kids could be cousins and siblings at the same time.

4. That anyone would want to bring an innocent, defenseless little life into such an ugly world full of awful things like religion and superstition is weird, even bizarre to me.

5. There are more reasons I find this whole thing weird, but I'm really stoned and it's hard to type so this will have to do. :bigweed:


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Beautiful proposal ethical/moral contradiction [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #11429186 - 11/10/09 11:26 PM (12 years, 24 days ago)

why is it not ok to murder someone?

It IS ok, but evolution has hard-wired our brains to be a social species which makes murder repulsive to most of us. It gives our species a survival edge to perceive murder as "bad". That doesn't mean it is "bad".


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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