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Offline11polakie11
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sexuality, consider the human
    #1142571 - 12/15/02 09:05 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

so far all these discussion seemed to be based on who has what genitalia and does what with it. It seems a majority assumes that the body is the source for sexuality and everything else that occurs. well is that so? Perhaps its not. perhaps people love differently than others. perhaps people enjoy physical sensations with people who you don't, people who have the same genitalia *GASP* - why not just let it be? Is that so hard? to just let go of all the judging and LABELING of others as gay, straight bi or what not?

so, to those of you who seek to invalidate any sexuality other than your own, get over it
and for those of you who feel threatened by those who seek to invalidate you through your sexuality, get over it

no one is perfectly enlightened and has the true asnwers for everything so why is there always such a presumptious notion in people that what ignorance they espout is "the truth" - no one knows everything, no one is 100 percent correct, so why should anyone try to go around changing other people?

GET OVER IT, PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT


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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: 11polakie11]
    #1145377 - 12/16/02 10:42 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

awww i agree.
but there will always be people who think it's "wrong"
in my opinion...since people always say "oh it's the inside that counts" then your sex shouldn't matter. you fall in love with a soul. not a body.
but hey, thats just my opinion. :smile:


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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: soylent_green]
    #1146763 - 12/16/02 07:51 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

lust is one thing, very temporary, the body's is temporary also its not something forever to hold on to either but people don't get that cuz they are too damn lazy and too afraid to go with whats on the inside..generally, most people have issues with being fully exposed anyway, and knowing another fully exposed at an equal level, that fear of nakedness on many levels is obvious..look at american society for instance, gender segerations and so many victorian ideals sewned and hemmed into your generations it takes us "oddballs" to break free from the straightjackets of puritan brainwashing...anywho, have a good day.

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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: soylent_green]
    #1147067 - 12/16/02 09:11 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

you fall in love with a soul. not a body.

Yeah, souls don't have genetalia.  :wink:


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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: Murex]
    #1147082 - 12/16/02 09:14 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I wonder why most people only fall in love with souls inside the body of a person of the opposite sex?

Wow, it just hit me.  Heterosexuals are WEIRD!!!!!  :smirk:


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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: ]
    #1147098 - 12/16/02 09:22 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I wonder why most people only fall in love with souls inside the body of a person of the opposite sex?

Most don't. They just want to fuck.





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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: Murex]
    #1147122 - 12/16/02 09:34 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

You misunderstood me. I was not referring to heteros that are only interested in sex. I was referring to the fact that most people who fall in love are heterosexual. Dig the difference?

As far as predation is concerned it is men that are the predators for the most part. This is a documented fact. It matters not whether they are homosexual or heterosexual.


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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: ]
    #1147136 - 12/16/02 09:42 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I dig, man.


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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: 11polakie11]
    #1147276 - 12/16/02 11:41 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Love it man, love it. I thought your post spoke my mind and was very well put together. Thanks man! I wanna give you those 5 mushrooms!


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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: ]
    #1148399 - 12/17/02 10:13 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

what are you talking about that most people who fall in love are heterosexual? thats so ridiciulous, and you illustrate my point! generalities apply only within themselves, not to each individual considered! generalities then become ignorant rules which do not apply to EVERYONE or even a large majority. I have fallen in love and I am pretty queer, i know many queer people who have also fallen in love, i know hetero's who have done the same - and i know plenty of people of any sexuality who just lust after people. But not all at the same time, not all everytime etc, just in one instance.

adam


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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: 11polakie11]
    #1148874 - 12/17/02 01:22 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Don't get your knickers in a twist.

Generalizations are always useful within they reside within themselves or somewhere else.

Most people who fall in love are heterosexual because most people are heterosexual.

Deal with it.

Cheers,


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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: 11polakie11]
    #1148911 - 12/17/02 01:33 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Adam,
To refute your point with words of your own.
"why should anyone try to go around changing other people?"
and
"GET OVER IT."


Edited by Ebullient Tyro (12/17/02 01:34 PM)


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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: Ebullient Tyro]
    #1148980 - 12/17/02 01:56 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Welcome Tyro.  First off I'm impressed with your name.  Very few people even know what a tyro is.  Secondly, please read the "Be Nice" policy if you intend to do much posting.  Arguments aside we all try to get along. :smile:


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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: ]
    #1148998 - 12/17/02 02:01 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

But you wouldn't be impressed if it said 'novice' instead, even thow they mean the same thing?


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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: Murex]
    #1149008 - 12/17/02 02:04 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, I would have been but in another way.  Humility and intelligence are both laudable.

Good point! :smile:


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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: ]
    #1149023 - 12/17/02 02:08 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

So using a word that most people don't use regularly means that you are more intelligent?


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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: Murex]
    #1149042 - 12/17/02 02:16 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Not always. But there is a correlation between a large vocabulary and intelligence, yes. Just as there is a correlation between a large vocabulary and the amount of income a person makes.

A vocabulary is like a tool box or a set of tools. When doing fine detail work it is necessary to have a large set of precise tools. You cannot fix a watch with a huge pipe wrench unless fixing it means smashing it to bits.


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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: ]
    #1149110 - 12/17/02 02:37 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I do not agree. Intelligense is measured by what is known, not knowing the tools for communicating what is known.

(imo)

Not always. But there is a correlation between a large vocabulary and intelligence, yes.

Is this just a theroy?


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?



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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: Murex]
    #1149116 - 12/17/02 02:40 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I would have said the same thing if we were talking about knowledge.  :smile:


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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: ]
    #1149127 - 12/17/02 02:44 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I would still appreaciate an answer from you, Mr. Mushrooms.  :grin:


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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: ]
    #1149155 - 12/17/02 02:51 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

A vocabulary is like a tool box or a set of tools. When doing fine detail work it is necessary to have a large set of precise tools. You cannot fix a watch with a huge pipe wrench unless fixing it means smashing it to bits.

Interesting analagy. Everyone that I know who has a lot of tools, though, only really needs a select few of them. The others are merely for show. I think a truly intelligent person is one who can say complex things simply and can still be understood clearly.

I guess it all depends on what your definition of intelligence is, though.


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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1149187 - 12/17/02 03:00 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Everyone that I know who has a lot of tools, though, only really needs a select few of them. The others are merely for show. I think a truly intelligent person is one who can say complex things simply and can still be understood clearly.

That's what I was trying to say.  :grin:


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What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1149450 - 12/17/02 04:21 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I'm going to use your post and answer you and Murex.

Everyone that I know who has a lot of tools, though, only really needs a select few of them. The others are merely for show. I think a truly intelligent person is one who can say complex things simply and can still be understood clearly.

Yes and no.  People make those same comments about others because they are jealous of them, feel threatened by them, or misunderstand them.  This was the very reason why I was tortured in high school when I used the vocabulary I was used to.  I don't think you understand very much about tools but I could be wrong.  If I am fixing my car and I need a Torx driver no other tool will do.  In car repair these days there are many tools that are necessary to do a job, highly specialized tools in fact.

These tools are the same as the words you incorporate when discussing a technical subject.  That jargon is necessary to understand what is being said.  I think it was you who asked me what a deme and a cline was.  Without the knowledge of those highly technical terms one cannot understand certain aspects of evolution.  At that point one can only think they understand the concepts, but they do not.

Now, knowing those terms does not mean that a person is intelligent.  But it does mean that they are facile within a given subject.  Can you imagine a doctor going through medical school without learning any new words?  I wouldn't want him operating on me, would you?

You were correct, however, about using simple terms to describe something.  That also, is a mark, or can be a mark, of intelligence.  If a person cannot describe a concept in terms that a general audience will understand it may be said that they themselves do not fully understand it.  This is particularly true of philosophy.  If you go back and read some of the things I have written you will find that most of the time I try to couch them in terms that most of you will understand.  I do that so that the concepts will be understood.  If you cannot understand a concept you can neither agree nor disagree.

And lastly there is a correlation between vocabulary and intelligence.  This is why it is included in the SAT tests for college entrance exams.  And it is documented that the greater a vocabulary a person has the more money they make.  Argue against it if you want to but the facts are facts, and incontrovertible.

I hope that helps you understand exactly what I was saying.  Notice I didn't need highly technical jargon to so so.

:smile: 


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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: ]
    #1149742 - 12/17/02 06:12 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

And lastly there is a correlation between vocabulary and intelligence. This is why it is included in the SAT tests for college entrance exams. And it is documented that the greater a vocabulary a person has the more money they make. Argue against it if you want to but the facts are facts, and incontrovertible.

I think it's due to people who have little education in GENRAL. If with a 4th grade education takes the SAT test when he or she is 18 or whatever, and gets a low score- it'' because THEY WERN'T TOUGHT THE VOCABULARY.

Someone with a 4th grade education would most likely not find a good paying job, imo.

Do you get my point yet?

If something is tought something in school that has no basis on anything and completes the SAT with a great score because of all the other stuff learned.......aw, nevermind. I can't think anymore. But there is no direct coralation between knowledge and vocabulary.

Aboriginals don't have a language- are they all stupid, or is it just their culture?  :blush:

Also, I was refering to the actual question I asked- Is this theroy, or is there proof?

And I mean proof that actually coralates knowledge with vocabulary.  :tongue:


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?



Edited by Murex (12/17/02 06:19 PM)


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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: Murex]
    #1150398 - 12/18/02 12:34 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

1. Maybe
2. Maybe
3. Yes


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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: Murex]
    #1150950 - 12/18/02 07:47 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

some of you all make good points, so to clarify -

specificaly to those who are trying to communicate a clear idea for an accurate response and do not like the "haze of confusion' idea, then be clear in what you say..fully explanatory is probably closer to what I mean.


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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: ]
    #1151005 - 12/18/02 08:17 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Mr. Mushrooms and Murex, yer avatars are just too damn funny LOL  :grin:


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Re: sexuality, consider the human [Re: chodamunky]
    #1151518 - 12/18/02 11:33 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks chodamunky!  I was hoping that would be the effect.  :smile:


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