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Supreme Slammage
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Vaporizing Shrooms
#11423681 - 11/10/09 12:29 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know u can't smoke shrooms but can they be vaped? WOuld it destroy all psychedelic compounds? Also, could it even work since psyilocybin is a prodrug and turns into psilocin in your body? Would it work with pure psilocin?
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MycoMaster_420
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heat degrades psilocybin/psilocin, period. Waste of time/money
Edited by MycoMaster_420 (11/10/09 01:02 AM)
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areis
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Can anyone give an exact temperature?
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Re: Vaporizing Shrooms [Re: areis]
#11423754 - 11/10/09 12:44 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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areis said: Can anyone give an exact temperature?
Wouldn't you just be better off to eat them?
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Supreme Slammage
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areis said: Can anyone give an exact temperature?
Wouldn't you just be better off to eat them?
yeh 4 sure. Um just wondering if it could even work if the heat didn't destroy psyilocybin. Psyilocybin isn't active in the brain is it? So if you could vape it would it be converted into psilocin or does it have to go through your stomach and intestines?
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Lucas89
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pure psilocybin/psilocin can most certainly be vapourized. this has been documented.
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Supreme Slammage
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Re: Vaporizing Shrooms [Re: Lucas89]
#11423779 - 11/10/09 12:54 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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ok cool but would the psilocybin be active or would you have to do it with psilocin
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LadyLittleZeppelin said:
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areis said: Can anyone give an exact temperature?
Wouldn't you just be better off to eat them?
yeh 4 sure. Um just wondering if it could even work if the heat didn't destroy psyilocybin. Psyilocybin isn't active in the brain is it? So if you could vape it would it be converted into psilocin or does it have to go through your stomach and intestines?
Once ingested, psilocybin is rapidly metabolised to psilocin which then acts as a partial agonist at the 5-HT2A serotonin receptor in the brain where it mimics the effects of serotonin (5-HT). The mind altering effects of psilocybin typically last anywhere from 3 to 8 hours, however the effects can seem to last much longer due to psilocybin's ability to distort the ability to perceive time. -Wiki
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Supreme Slammage
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i know what wikipedia said. For metabolisation to occur and then transport of psilocin to the braid does it have to be ingested is all i am asking.
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this thread is interesting.
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Lucas89
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i think it must be done with psilocybin.
when heated, psilocybin would quickly metabolize into psilocin.
the effects are apparantly dmt-like, & instantaneous, but last approximately an hour.
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MycoMaster_420 said: heat degrades psilocybin/psilocin, period. Waste of time/money
no , every chemical has a boiling point which is the basis for vaporization.
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Re: Vaporizing Shrooms [Re: Lucas89]
#11423985 - 11/10/09 02:05 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Isn't it oxidization that breaks down psilocybin? The heat just makes it easier to oxidize. I've been discussing this with my roommate. We figure that vaporizing the psilocybin within co2 instead of oxygen might allow the psilocybin to remain viable within the vapour.
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Re: Vaporizing Shrooms [Re: Lucas89]
#11424028 - 11/10/09 02:25 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lucas89 said: i think it must be done with psilocybin.
when heated, psilocybin would quickly metabolize into psilocin.
the effects are apparantly dmt-like, & instantaneous, but last approximately an hour.
That doesn't make sense. Metabolization implies a process in the body. Heating something can't make it metabolize... what do you mean?
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*breaks down
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Re: Vaporizing Shrooms [Re: Lucas89]
#11424173 - 11/10/09 03:29 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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ok. That is very different than metabolization...
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Lucas89
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uh huh well im so tired i have no fucking idea whats going on
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Re: Vaporizing Shrooms [Re: Lucas89]
#11424242 - 11/10/09 04:36 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Psilocybin is metabolized mostly in the liver where it becomes psilocin. It is broken down by the enzyme monoamine oxidase.
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Re: Vaporizing Shrooms [Re: solstice]
#11424315 - 11/10/09 05:21 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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yep, i was aware of that.
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Re: Vaporizing Shrooms [Re: Lucas89]
#11424467 - 11/10/09 07:08 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Doesn't the mushroom weight only contain about 250th of psilocin/psilocybin? you'd be vapourizing loads of crap.
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Re: Vaporizing Shrooms [Re: Lucas89]
#11424567 - 11/10/09 07:39 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lucas89 said: uh huh well im so tired i have no fucking idea whats going on
Datura? or just tired
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Re: Vaporizing Shrooms [Re: Dr.Myco87]
#11424661 - 11/10/09 08:09 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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no , every chemical has a boiling point which is the basis for vaporization.
That is true for every chemical yes...but in terms of quality, psilocybin/psilocin gets exponentially weaker during vaporization, thus resulting in a poor-quality trip, if even one at all. Better off to just eat em, ull get much more out of it.
Edited by MycoMaster_420 (11/10/09 08:10 AM)
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imo smoking OR vaping only "works" after eating a hand full first. at this point it's obviously subjective, so if you happen to have a shitload lying around fire um up, at that point who cares. works it does
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This has been documented on other forums who are into the chemistry aspect of psychedelics. Search on thenook.org. I recall someone performing an extraction on mushrooms and vaporizing the extract. What a previous poster said, much like dmt.
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im not sure if this was stated. but psyclocybin passes through the liver, in turn the liver filters it and turns it into psilocybin which gives the psychedelic effects. I dont think vaping it would be effective. the psyclocybin would have to enter the blood stream and find its way into the liver. im not sure how that works.(my biology is rusty, feel free to fill in the blanks.)
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Re: Vaporizing Shrooms [Re: Dr.Myco87]
#11427558 - 11/10/09 05:29 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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just tired! i like to use that datura thing when im tired for some reason. i think cos i feel all delirious and fucked up....
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Lucas89
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nah, when the psilocybin is heated and vapourized it would break down into psilocin. so the vapour thats in your lungs would be psilocin, which i assume is easily absorbed into the bloodstream through the tissue of the lungs.
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