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 Fraggin
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 When you have nothing to lose, you can truly live. 
#11418185 - 11/09/09 11:30 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've seen two sides of the coin in my experience with Humans. There are those that believe in a God, Higher Power, System of Order, Karma, etc but namely an afterlife....
And those that either do not believe explicitly or are indifferent to the idea, there seems to be only one main common mode operandus. See below.
For the Believers in Orthodox Dogma
Sitting around, waiting on death, following the virtues of Jesus. Lookin forward to those pearly gates and eternal bliss so they don't have to deal with arthritis and worry about stretching that social security check so thin any longer.
Spending all my time, telling others what's waiting for them on the other side. Turning lives to jesus and getting sinners to repent. Rejoicing in the name of the lord for salvation is thine.
For the indifferent or Non-believers.
Experience life in all it's splender and majesty because this could be as good as it gets and may be all that there is. (Unless....)
But I have rarely encountered the polar opposite.
Why should I care or even try there's no afterlife? Fuck it. I give up.
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 Flop Johnson
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Re: When you have nothing to lose, you can truly live. [Re: Fraggin]
#11418194 - 11/09/09 11:33 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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After going through a period in my life when I hit rock bottom and had nothing to lose, I found that it helped me wipe the slate clean. I have stuff to lose now, but I appreciate it.
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Chronic7
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Re: When you have nothing to lose, you can truly live. [Re: Fraggin]
#11418235 - 11/09/09 11:43 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Beleiver or non-beleiver, blah, they're both beleivers
Dis-beleif is still clinging furiously to beleif
Just look at all the 'non-beleiver' posts round here, if they truly did not beleive beyond doubt, they would not post in the first place...
'When you have nothing to lose, you can truly live'
When you see that you can lose nothing, that the universe has no 'gain' or 'loss'
Then there is nothing to lose, then you can truly live 
The slate is ever clean
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Re: When you have nothing to lose, you can truly live. [Re: Chronic7]
#11418245 - 11/09/09 11:46 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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i always thought it meant losing all your possessions will make you a free man.
because no matter what you do, you truly have nothing left to lose.
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Re: When you have nothing to lose, you can truly live. [Re: Fraggin]
#11418253 - 11/09/09 11:46 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Fraggin said:
I've seen two sides of the coin in my experience with Humans. There are those that believe in a God, Higher Power, System of Order, Karma, etc but namely an afterlife....
And those that either do not believe explicitly or are indifferent to the idea, there seems to be only one main common mode operandus. See below.
For the Believers in Orthodox Dogma
Sitting around, waiting on death, following the virtues of Jesus. Lookin forward to those pearly gates and eternal bliss so they don't have to deal with arthritis and worry about stretching that social security check so thin any longer.
Spending all my time, telling others what's waiting for them on the other side. Turning lives to jesus and getting sinners to repent. Rejoicing in the name of the lord for salvation is thine.
For the indifferent or Non-believers.
Experience life in all it's splender and majesty because this could be as good as it gets and may be all that there is. (Unless....)
But I have rarely encountered the polar opposite.
Why should I care or even try there's no afterlife? Fuck it. I give up.
"Freedom's just another word for nothin left to lose"
I just made that up. No really! 
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: When you have nothing to lose, you can truly live. [Re: elementswrath]
#11418273 - 11/09/09 11:50 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
elementswrath said:
i always thought it meant losing all your possessions will make you a free man.
because no matter what you do, you truly have nothing left to lose.
For that to be true you'd have to commit suicide as this body is a possession aswell
Renunciation is not renouncing possessions, it is being not attached to them
Surrendering everything to the universe
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elementswrath
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Re: When you have nothing to lose, you can truly live. [Re: Chronic7]
#11418287 - 11/09/09 11:53 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Chronic777 said:
Quote:
elementswrath said:
i always thought it meant losing all your possessions will make you a free man.
because no matter what you do, you truly have nothing left to lose.
For that to be true you'd have to commit suicide as this body is a possession aswell
Renunciation is not renouncing possessions, it is being not attached to them
Surrendering everything to the universe
I'm not attached to anything but my music.
would that count?
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Fraggin
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Re: When you have nothing to lose, you can truly live. [Re: Chronic7]
#11418302 - 11/09/09 11:55 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Even the fear of losing one's carcass.
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Chronic7
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Re: When you have nothing to lose, you can truly live. [Re: elementswrath]
#11418303 - 11/09/09 11:55 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not as long as you surrender your music to the universe
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elementswrath
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Re: When you have nothing to lose, you can truly live. [Re: Chronic7]
#11418340 - 11/09/09 12:01 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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the universe is my mind expanding and creating.
the instruments is my heart beating constantly.
the music is my soul waiting to be judged.
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Re: When you have nothing to lose, you can truly live. [Re: Fraggin]
#11418377 - 11/09/09 12:07 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Fraggin said:
But I have rarely encountered the polar opposite.
Why should I care or even try there's no afterlife? Fuck it. I give up.
That's because they committed suicide before you could have encountered them.
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Re: When you have nothing to lose, you can truly live. [Re: deCypher]
#11419228 - 11/09/09 02:03 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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This quote is why I wish I wasn't controlled my whole life and forced to go places. Sitting at home all day, doin drugs, meeting up with friends and traveling sounds good to me 
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Re: When you have nothing to lose, you can truly live. [Re: trip forever]
#11419775 - 11/09/09 03:26 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Then do it?
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Poid
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Re: When you have nothing to lose, you can truly live. [Re: Tropism]
#11419795 - 11/09/09 03:28 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Fraggin said:
When you have nothing to lose, you can truly live.
As long as you're alive, you'll always have something to lose (e.g.- your life).
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan   fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: When you have nothing to lose, you can truly live. [Re: Poid]
#11419886 - 11/09/09 03:40 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Poid said:
Quote:
Fraggin said:
When you have nothing to lose, you can truly live.
As long as you're alive, you'll always have something to lose (e.g.- your life).
Lose life or gain freedom?
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Poid
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Re: When you have nothing to lose, you can truly live. [Re: Fraggin]
#11421420 - 11/09/09 07:28 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Once you are dead, there is nothing you can gain or lose; there is no more "you" after death. 
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Fraggin
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Re: When you have nothing to lose, you can truly live. [Re: Poid]
#11421690 - 11/09/09 07:57 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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 Like you would know...
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Poid
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Re: When you have nothing to lose, you can truly live. [Re: Fraggin]
#11421788 - 11/09/09 08:08 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Fraggin said:
Like you would know...
I have nothing to do with this discussion...
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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