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True or False
    #11419156 - 11/09/09 03:53 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Our Existence depends primarily upon probability distribution.


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Re: True or False [Re: Fraggin]
    #11419164 - 11/09/09 03:54 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

False, given infinite time, probability of any event in any system is 100%.


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Re: True or False [Re: Diaboleros]
    #11419169 - 11/09/09 03:55 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Nothing is true or false. It's just....reality.


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Re: True or False [Re: trip forever]
    #11419183 - 11/09/09 03:57 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Nothing is A or B, it's just C.

Yeah that sure clears things up.


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Re: True or False [Re: Diaboleros]
    #11419200 - 11/09/09 03:59 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I also hate when people do that but for some reason felt the need to do it just once :shrug:


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Re: True or False [Re: Diaboleros]
    #11419215 - 11/09/09 04:01 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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False, given infinite time, probability of any event in any system is 100%.



In all seriousness I agree with this. So I'd also have to say false.


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Re: True or False [Re: Fraggin]
    #11419327 - 11/09/09 04:17 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Partly, not primarily. Our existence depends upon the reality principle that states: "All things are compounded and therefore neither existent nor non-existent". :teleport:


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Re: True or False [Re: Ahimsa]
    #11419352 - 11/09/09 04:21 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Partly, not primarily. Our existence depends upon the reality principle that states: "All things are compounded and therefore neither existent nor non-existent". :teleport:




Therefore, they exist by distribution of probability.


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Re: True or False [Re: trip forever]
    #11419357 - 11/09/09 04:21 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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False, given infinite time, probability of any event in any system is 100%.



In all seriousness I agree with this. So I'd also have to say false.



Any event, I don't know about that.

My ass-cheeks turning into toasters is an event I can't seen having any probability of occuring.


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Re: True or False [Re: Wasteland]
    #11419382 - 11/09/09 04:24 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I said any event in any system. Define a system in which your ass-cheeks have the possibility to turn into a toaster, and then the event will have a 100% chance of occuring in that system if given infinite time.


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Re: True or False [Re: Fraggin]
    #11419417 - 11/09/09 04:29 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Fraggin said:
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Ahimsa said:
Partly, not primarily. Our existence depends upon the reality principle that states: "All things are compounded and therefore neither existent nor non-existent". :teleport:




Therefore, they exist by distribution of probability.



I don't think we share the same meaning about 'probability'.
To me it means 'since it is possible it will be coincidence that determines the outcome'.
What do you mean with 'probability'? Because to me the reality principle expresses itself as the law of cause and effect, not a evolution of coincidences...


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Re: True or False [Re: Ahimsa]
    #11419439 - 11/09/09 04:33 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Think deep.


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Re: True or False [Re: Fraggin]
    #11419444 - 11/09/09 04:33 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

True or False:

Information is physical.


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Re: True or False [Re: Fraggin]
    #11419817 - 11/09/09 05:32 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Fraggin said:
True or False:

Information is physical.


The term 'information' is quite ambiguous; can you clarify?


What isn't physical? :strokebeard:


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Re: True or False [Re: Poid]
    #11419876 - 11/09/09 05:39 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Poid said:
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Fraggin said:
True or False:

Information is physical.


The term 'information' is quite ambiguous; can you clarify?



What isn't physical? :strokebeard:





Actually, information is very finite in it's meaning.


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Re: True or False [Re: Poid]
    #11419925 - 11/09/09 05:46 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Does the possibility exist that given infinite time, only one result would repeat... infinitely? Would that disallow other "events"?

It seems like the problem with trying to define anything as objectively true or false (outside a system of events where it is designed this way :grin:) is that... well truth is just so darn sticky and subjective.

Am I looking at this from the wrong angle?

It seems to me that,

Quote:

Our Existence depends primarily upon probability distribution.




is just as true or false as,

Quote:

Nothing is true or false. It's just....reality.




Can we determine Truth? Is there a universal awareness? Can the universe examine its own whole? I can examine my own with the use of cleverly placed mirror... but all the other wholes out there remain a mystery. :wink:

It kind of does seem to me that Existence depends on Who is looking at What, and How. Those three all seem pretty hard to determine with any accuracy, beyond my personal experience.

:strokebeard: ?


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Re: True or False [Re: Fraggin]
    #11419941 - 11/09/09 05:49 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

True or False:

Information is physical.




Maybe?

:grin:


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Re: True or False [Re: yelyarb]
    #11419983 - 11/09/09 05:56 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

yelyarb said:
Does the possibility exist that given infinite time, only one result would repeat... infinitely? Would that disallow other "events"?

It seems like the problem with trying to define anything as objectively true or false (outside a system of events where it is designed this way :grin:) is that... well truth is just so darn sticky and subjective.

Am I looking at this from the wrong angle?

It seems to me that,

Quote:

Our Existence depends primarily upon probability distribution.




is just as true or false as,

Quote:

Nothing is true or false. It's just....reality.




Can we determine Truth? Is there a universal awareness? Can the universe examine its own whole? I can examine my own with the use of cleverly placed mirror... but all the other wholes out there remain a mystery. :wink:

It kind of does seem to me that Existence depends on Who is looking at What, and How. Those three all seem pretty hard to determine with any accuracy, beyond my personal experience.

:strokebeard: ?




The Copenhagen interpretation is always an easy escape.


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Re: True or False [Re: Fraggin]
    #11420035 - 11/09/09 06:05 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

how can we surely know these things if all we have is our perspective?


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Re: True or False [Re: nootropic]
    #11420101 - 11/09/09 06:15 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Memory, entropy and measurement.


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