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If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy...
    #11414542 - 11/08/09 09:39 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

As suggested by Quantum physics, Eastern Philosophy, and the Psychedelic Experience...In other words, reality is just a creation of the perceiver...


Then why can't I do ANYTHING or CREATE anything I want?

  This one keeps pissing me off.


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: JackofSpades]
    #11414571 - 11/08/09 09:42 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe you don't want it badly enough. Or maybe too much. How that for Zen?


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: JackofSpades]
    #11414574 - 11/08/09 09:43 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

You can.  :yarly:

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: Doc_T]
    #11414592 - 11/08/09 09:45 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

hmm...


yeah...


I suppose if all is consciousness then the thing that keeps me from acting freely is self-consciousness....which is how the ego is formed anyway I guess.


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: JackofSpades]
    #11414703 - 11/08/09 09:58 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

You gotta start off small and build your way up, I think. So far I'm only able to see colors when I want with my eyes closed, but when I did acid I made my cat purple from this practice.

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: surferdude66066]
    #11414704 - 11/08/09 09:58 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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You can.  :yarly:



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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: Troll Bot]
    #11414739 - 11/08/09 10:02 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

yeah like this is what I mean, there is just consciousness experiencing itself subjectively....


we should be bound to no limits other than our own will...how do you build up the ability to create and control perception since there is ONLY perception (consciousness)


there has to be secret to this reality. I mean, plato's allegory of the cave suggests this as well...


The world of ideas is far more real...but how to do this?


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: JackofSpades]
    #11414860 - 11/08/09 10:17 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: JackofSpades]
    #11419645 - 11/09/09 03:09 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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JackofSpades said:
As suggested by Quantum physics, Eastern Philosophy, and the Psychedelic Experience...In other words, reality is just a creation of the perceiver...


Then why can't I do ANYTHING or CREATE anything I want?

  This one keeps pissing me off.




It is because your chakras arent properly aligned.


















Haha, Just kidding, We all know that is mostly just BS to sell books and seminars.

I dont know why exactly......

But, it does make me wonder if "reality is just the creation of the perciever" is a true theory or not.


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: JackofSpades]
    #11419744 - 11/09/09 03:21 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

You can't base your philosophy on bill hicks quotes.


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: JackofSpades]
    #11419815 - 11/09/09 03:32 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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there has to be secret to this reality. I mean, plato's allegory of the cave suggests this as well...





That is not what the cave parable suggests at all. It says nothing about manipulating matter with your mind.

It says there is more to this reality than we realize, yes. But not that we have control over it.

Even if matter is energy condensed to a slow vibration, again that suggests nothing of controlling it.

What your talking about is some matrix shit.

There is no spoon.


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: JackofSpades]
    #11419821 - 11/09/09 03:32 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Because your mind and body are only 100-200lbs of matter.  So the energy locked up in the matter that makes up your house.....is more than you.  Conscious or not :smile:

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: JackofSpades]
    #11419859 - 11/09/09 03:37 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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As suggested by Quantum physics, Eastern Philosophy, and the Psychedelic Experience...In other words, reality is just a creation of the perceiver...


Then why can't I do ANYTHING or CREATE anything I want?

  This one keeps pissing me off.



cuz u are using the word "Creation" in a different sense.

Everyone is given roughly the same external stimulation and it is up to you to create a reality based on that. it's just talking about perception. it doesnt mean you can just manipulate anything.


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: learningtofly]
    #11419874 - 11/09/09 03:39 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Takes practice

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: TiN]
    #11419881 - 11/09/09 03:39 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Not saying I can though.

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: JackofSpades]
    #11419902 - 11/09/09 03:43 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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As suggested by Quantum physics, Eastern Philosophy, and the Psychedelic Experience...In other words, reality is just a creation of the perceiver...


Then why can't I do ANYTHING or CREATE anything I want?

  This one keeps pissing me off.



I think that's a misinterpretation of quantum mechanics. Just because observers may be required to collapse the wave function on a micro scale does not mean that observers have ultimate power over reality. Also, no one is really certain whether or not only conscious beings can be observers, and the very definition of "observer" is tricky.


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: NetDiver]
    #11419920 - 11/09/09 03:46 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

i want a purple cat...


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[quote]Icelander said:
What is at the bottom of it?[/quote]

Death anxiety? :flirt:[/quote]

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: nootropic]
    #11420023 - 11/09/09 04:03 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I think it's because we haven't realized yet that we are capable of such things.  I mean, we don't even use 10% of our brains, so I guess controlling and creating anything we want is somewhere further.

The day we'll use 100% of our brains, that's when shit will happen.


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: ManyAk]
    #11420033 - 11/09/09 04:05 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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  I mean, we don't even use 10% of our brains,




:facepalm: we use 100% of our brains that 10% thing is a bullshit myth


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: learningtofly]
    #11420059 - 11/09/09 04:09 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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  I mean, we don't even use 10% of our brains,




:facepalm: we use 100% of our brains that 10% thing is a bullshit myth




I disagree. Such thing would mean that the GABADAZILLIONS of humans that will come after us won't be even slightly more intelligent than us?

Now that is a bullshit myth.


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: ManyAk]
    #11420071 - 11/09/09 04:11 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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  I mean, we don't even use 10% of our brains,




:facepalm: we use 100% of our brains that 10% thing is a bullshit myth




I disagree. Such thing would mean that the GABADAZILLIONS of humans that will come after us won't be even slightly more intelligent than us?

Now that is a bullshit myth.




uhmm...that definitely is not what that would mean.

and "GABADAZILLIONS" is not a number.


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[quote]Icelander said:
What is at the bottom of it?[/quote]

Death anxiety? :flirt:[/quote]

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: nootropic]
    #11420083 - 11/09/09 04:12 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

If we used 100% of our brains we would never forget things.

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: surferdude66066]
    #11420103 - 11/09/09 04:15 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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If we used 100% of our brains we would never forget things.




not true either. memory does not work like that.


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[quote]Icelander said:
What is at the bottom of it?[/quote]

Death anxiety? :flirt:[/quote]

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: nootropic]
    #11420176 - 11/09/09 04:27 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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  I mean, we don't even use 10% of our brains,




:facepalm: we use 100% of our brains that 10% thing is a bullshit myth




I disagree. Such thing would mean that the GABADAZILLIONS of humans that will come after us won't be even slightly more intelligent than us?

Now that is a bullshit myth.




uhmm...that definitely is not what that would mean.

and "GABADAZILLIONS" is not a number.




That's what it implies though. Just look back at history, you think cavemen used their brains at full capacity? I really doubt so.

And GABADAZILLIONS is indeed a number..... in my book. In other words, you should develop a sense of humour my friend.

Oh and answering "No" to some posts is useless, try to bring in some new information. You know, that's how a discussion evolves.

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: ManyAk]
    #11420243 - 11/09/09 04:38 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Then explain how when certain parts of the brain are stimulated, one can recall an experience as if he were reliving it again? Yes, we can imagine smells and such, but we cannot resmell them or rehear them, as one does when he goes through such a procedure. Yet, the information is clearly there. Perhaps we are using different definitions of "use".

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: ManyAk]
    #11420258 - 11/09/09 04:40 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

using all the parts of our brain and using the full potential of the human psyche are completely different.

http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: zombi]
    #11420271 - 11/09/09 04:43 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying. My bad bro :thumbup:

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: JackofSpades]
    #11420283 - 11/09/09 04:45 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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As suggested by Quantum physics, Eastern Philosophy, and the Psychedelic Experience...In other words, reality is just a creation of the perceiver...


Then why can't I do ANYTHING or CREATE anything I want?

  This one keeps pissing me off.




It's simple, if you think about it.

Just because all matter is "condensed vibrating energy" doesn't automatically mean it obeys your every whim.  The behavior of physical systems is, by all available indications, governed in accordance with objective relations (what is typically called "physics").  Just because you recognize that matter is "condensed vibrating energy" doesn't automatically make you god and give you the power to alter the fundamental laws of the universe.  Would you really expect it to?

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: ManyAk]
    #11420288 - 11/09/09 04:45 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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ManyAk said:
  I mean, we don't even use 10% of our brains,




:facepalm: we use 100% of our brains that 10% thing is a bullshit myth




I disagree. Such thing would mean that the GABADAZILLIONS of humans that will come after us won't be even slightly more intelligent than us?

Now that is a bullshit myth.




I remember from somewhere that the way we modern humans got so smart was that each generation of humans from like 100,000 years ago or something had like 1000 more brain cells each generation, growing smarter and smarter.
Anyways, I think we are capable of using like 100% of our brain's computing and analysing powers, but we never come across a situation like this. Like if u open task manager on ur windows computer, it shows you how the cpu usage in a %. Most of the time, the % of cpu usage is like around 10-20%, which allows for a quick and responsive computer with lots of room to open new programs.
If that percent were to be 100%, the computer would be all slow and unresponsive, and opening a problem would be impossible.
In a similar way if we were to use 100% of our brain, we would get all burned out and tired pretty quickly, kind of like how drugs like ecstasy use up a bunch of your brains chemicals one night, but then the next couple of days you are not as sharp/productive.

Anyways, you can create anything you want, but you have to play by the rules of this world.
Like, if you want a house or a car, you have to just draw up a plan based on these criteria
1)How soon do you want it (like tommorow or a year from now)
2)What kind of quality do you want (really good- really bad)
3)How expensive do you want it to be (really expensive-really cheap)

Like if I wanted a car and I answered
1)Tommorow
2)Really Bad
3)Free
I could just go out and jack some 199x toyota corolla or something the next day, with the inherent risks.

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11420300 - 11/09/09 04:48 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Mind over matter, my friend... just keep at it and it will become. It is about being patient and keep your outlook positive... it time it will be = )

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: Knobby Tops]
    #11420324 - 11/09/09 04:51 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Mind over matter, my friend... just keep at it and it will become. It is about being patient and keep your outlook positive... it time it will be = )



And that has what to do with the question at hand? Unless a positive outlook is related to the physical nature of matter...?

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: Troll Bot]
    #11420339 - 11/09/09 04:54 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #11420391 - 11/09/09 05:01 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

according to physics, you CAN create anything you want, but the probability of you doing so is so slim that it would take billions of years for such a thing to occur. everything is possible, but not everything is very probable.


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: pimpsmatt]
    #11420411 - 11/09/09 05:05 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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according to physics, you CAN create anything you want, but the probability of you doing so is so slim that it would take billions of years for such a thing to occur. everything is possible, but not everything is very probable.




That's why the hadron collider is so exciting! It's going to answer a lot of these questions .

My problem with these theories of multiple universes and such is that I think they are misleading. Everything exists as a potentiality, but that does not necessarily mean it exists in a real, tangible, state. The question of whether or not we can, as humans, control the manifestation of these potentials remains to be seen.

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: JackofSpades]
    #11420414 - 11/09/09 05:06 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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yeah like this is what I mean, there is just consciousness experiencing itself subjectively....


we should be bound to no limits other than our own will...how do you build up the ability to create and control perception since there is ONLY perception (consciousness)




Someone above said that you can't base your philosphical worldview on Bill Hicks quotes.

I disagree.

But before you can use them as a sound foundation, you have to first investigate their internal veracity. Which is to say: Just because Bill Hicks said something doesn't automatically make it true.

You've advanced two Hicksian tenets for your worldview thus far:

1.) Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy.  While this is awkwardly phrased (and could do with some clarifications on the explicit definitions of the words matter, energy, and condensed), it is essentially accurate (e = mc2, and the density of probability equals the wavefunction squared.)

2.)  There is just consciousness experiencing itself subjectively.  That one takes some justifying. On what evidence is this based?  Obviously consciousness experiences itself subjectively... but once you include the clause "just" you've made a tremendous and in all likelihood unfounded assumption.  And deriving ideas from fallacious precepts leads to fallacious ideas.

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #11420427 - 11/09/09 05:08 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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according to physics, you CAN create anything you want, but the probability of you doing so is so slim that it would take billions of years for such a thing to occur. everything is possible, but not everything is very probable.




That's why the hadron collider is so exciting! It's going to answer a lot of these questions .

My problem with these theories of multiple universes and such is that I think they are misleading. Everything exists as a potentiality, but that does not necessarily mean it exists in a real, tangible, state. The question of whether or not we can, as humans, control the manifestation of these potentials remains to be seen.




these things do exsist in a real tangible state, just not the same state that we exsist in.


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: pimpsmatt]
    #11420452 - 11/09/09 05:12 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

and i agree about the hadron collider. it has the potential to open up new pathways of thinking, much like phycedelics but in a different way. it will teach us in a more traditional sense.


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: pimpsmatt]
    #11420464 - 11/09/09 05:14 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I can never know anything beyond my own perception--my own perception is just consciousness reflected back on itself with me observing it...


Theoretically I should be capable of creating anything.


I experienced, on LSD, exactly what Bill Hicks was talking about, I saw how there really is just condensed energy and we really are all just one energy being...

My question is, how do I come to control it? I think it comes with unlocking a higher state of perceptual communication that transcend space and time, you can temporarily do this on LSD, I want to do it permanently without drugs.

I know this can be done, on acid the other day THIS did occur, it was as if I was flipping in and out of different dimensions. I was with two other people who verified the same thing.

I also realized that in essence, by posting this message on the shroomery, I am just sending this to myself--since you are all equally as much me as much as you are equally not me. We are just one consciousness experiencing itself from different perspective....

One mind in different bodies mistaking itself for something else.


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: JackofSpades]
    #11420483 - 11/09/09 05:18 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Heres the simple truth.

Everything is matter, and matter can be shaped. But matter cannot reshape other matter with energy. Not the energy in our mind.

Things such as force (exertion of matter onto other matter, thus shaping.), energy (Electricity to move things, bend, mold, heat, cold, etc), and lack of energy (black holes) can all shape matter.

But thoughts cannot. If you had a machine that could replace matter with a special, controllable matter, then its very much possible.

Otherwise, the mind cannot do it.


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: JackofSpades]
    #11420520 - 11/09/09 05:22 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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JackofSpades said:
I can never know anything beyond my own perception--my own perception is just consciousness reflected back on itself with me observing it...


Theoretically I should be capable of creating anything.


I experienced, on LSD, exactly what Bill Hicks was talking about, I saw how there really is just condensed energy and we really are all just one energy being...

My question is, how do I come to control it? I think it comes with unlocking a higher state of perceptual communication that transcend space and time, you can temporarily do this on LSD, I want to do it permanently without drugs.

I know this can be done, on acid the other day THIS did occur, it was as if I was flipping in and out of different dimensions. I was with two other people who verified the same thing.

I also realized that in essence, by posting this message on the shroomery, I am just sending this to myself--since you are all equally as much me as much as you are equally not me. We are just one consciousness experiencing itself from different perspective....

One mind in different bodies mistaking itself for something else.





Same here, it just seems so far away at this point in my life though.  I feel like I won't understand for years and years. I will certainly get closer, but it will still be so far away.

Hopefully the scientists will start unlocking more of these mysteries pretty soon. :ooo:


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: JackofSpades]
    #11420525 - 11/09/09 05:24 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Theoretically I should be capable of creating anything.



My question is, how do I come to control it? I think it comes with unlocking a higher state of perceptual communication that transcend space and time, you can temporarily do this on LSD, I want to do it permanently without drugs.




if your basing this question on scientific theories then no one can accurately answer it because no one has ever done it. like i said, it is possible but HIGHLY unlikely you will be able to control matter with (im asuming?) yor mind. when you bring lsd into the question all scientific theories go out the window and a new argument is made. they are two totaly different ideas; mental versus physical.


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: JackofSpades]
    #11420546 - 11/09/09 05:26 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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As suggested by Quantum physics, Eastern Philosophy, and the Psychedelic Experience...In other words, reality is just a creation of the perceiver...

Then why can't I do ANYTHING or CREATE anything I want?

  This one keeps pissing me off.



I think quite the opposite.

I think we ARE capable of manifesting our everyday reality and we always are without realizing it. All matter/physical realm is a distraction and side-tracks what we believe away from what we want to believe. That's what shit like psychedelics and intense meditation does. It makes us forget about our surroundings, so we perceive everything the way we want, or at least in a radical new way. It's not about changing what's "physically there..." I think it's about not believing what's there and creating a new reality altogether.

Maybe I'm just arrogant and haven't read enough about the subject, but I think the whole "10%" deal is utter bullshit. We do NOT understand teh brain. Just because an MRI can detect where hot-spots of activity are doesn't mean that's all the brain we use. If we don't fully understand how our brain functions, how can we go about detecting it's full range of activity? :shrug: Besides, what evolutionary advantage would creating a brain far greater than we need bring, and how would we even evolve to be so? Isn't evolution the process of eliminating less efficient or advantageous genes? Wouldn't having so much unused brain matter simply waste energy? It must be there for a reason...

If someone can post some good articles, I'd be grateful :wink:
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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: JackofSpades]
    #11420553 - 11/09/09 05:27 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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my own perception is just consciousness reflected back on itself with me observing it...



How do ya figure? Ever heard of external stimuli?  Obviously you believe in a physical world if you believe matter if vibrating condensed energy.

Absolutely you can percieve anything you want (just take enough datura, lol)... for it to exist in reality is an entirely seperate question.

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: JackofSpades]
    #11420562 - 11/09/09 05:28 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I experienced this state of mind once, without any drugs, for like 30 seconds. I achieved this by reflecting back on what my goals were a few months back, and how I was totally on track to become something much higher than just a "normal person"
I realized that reality is what I percieved it to be, and that I controlled my own reality. I felt really energetic and out of touch with other people on earth because I felt I was on a higher plain then them for that short amount of time.
Anyways, the only way to accomplish this permanent state of mind is to become the absolute highest form of whatever it is you want to be on this earth, which will be revealed to you with ease when you think about what you want from life.

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: pimpsmatt]
    #11420566 - 11/09/09 05:28 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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according to physics, you CAN create anything you want, but the probability of you doing so is so slim that it would take billions of years for such a thing to occur. everything is possible, but not everything is very probable.




That's why the hadron collider is so exciting! It's going to answer a lot of these questions .

My problem with these theories of multiple universes and such is that I think they are misleading. Everything exists as a potentiality, but that does not necessarily mean it exists in a real, tangible, state. The question of whether or not we can, as humans, control the manifestation of these potentials remains to be seen.




these things do exsist in a real tangible state, just not the same state that we exsist in.



Source? :smirk:

You obviously can't know that (unless you've made a discovery that'll be earning you next year's Nobel Prize)... so why claim it as fact?

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11420574 - 11/09/09 05:30 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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my own perception is just consciousness reflected back on itself with me observing it...



How do ya figure? Ever heard of external stimuli?  Obviously you believe in a physical world if you believe matter if vibrating condensed energy.

Absolutely you can percieve anything you want (just take enough datura, lol)... for it to exist in reality is an entirely seperate question.



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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11420600 - 11/09/09 05:34 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

and as far as you "tempoarily unlocking a higher state of perceptual communication that transcend space and time" while on lsd, this is  merely happening in your mind. you are not actualy communicating across space and time in a physical sense. if you want to physicaly manipulate matter lsd will do you no good other than being used as a tool to come up with new ideas that will help you later in the physical world.


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    #11420617 - 11/09/09 05:36 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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pimpsmatt said:
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pimpsmatt said:
according to physics, you CAN create anything you want, but the probability of you doing so is so slim that it would take billions of years for such a thing to occur. everything is possible, but not everything is very probable.




That's why the hadron collider is so exciting! It's going to answer a lot of these questions .

My problem with these theories of multiple universes and such is that I think they are misleading. Everything exists as a potentiality, but that does not necessarily mean it exists in a real, tangible, state. The question of whether or not we can, as humans, control the manifestation of these potentials remains to be seen.




these things do exsist in a real tangible state, just not the same state that we exsist in.



Source? :smirk:

You obviously can't know that (unless you've made a discovery that'll be earning you next year's Nobel Prize)... so why claim it as fact?



of course i dont know that, its just a theory. i didnt mean to claim it as fact just "according to the theory of probability"

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability_theory


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: JackofSpades]
    #11420910 - 11/09/09 06:16 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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As suggested by Quantum physics, Eastern Philosophy, and the Psychedelic Experience...In other words, reality is just a creation of the perceiver...


Then why can't I do ANYTHING or CREATE anything I want?

  This one keeps pissing me off.




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    #11421740 - 11/09/09 08:03 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

There is no set reality. Reality is a barren earth, with just trees, dirt and water on it. Reality is all the animals walking around, all the fish swimming, all the humans talking. Reality is everything we cannot imagine happening in remote parts of the universe. Reality is what is going on at the time. Am I in my own reality? Yes. What I am thinking could be totally innacurate. Yet my actions make reality. Me typing down these words on this computer is reality. I am part of reality. So...I guess what I am thinking is also real, since it is occuring, therefore is a part of the reality we all share.

It's the same thing with morals. We think murder is bad? But since when? Animals kill each other all the time, and it is a grave misconception when people think they're being cute and say, "only to eat." No, animals kill each other for fun and to look tough. Look at lions, whales and a bunch of other animals.

So morals are based on our thought, not anything real. But what is real...real is just what is truly there. The only thing that's every truly there is the physical part of something. The mental part is left up to its own devices, to interprete and understand what's going on. Since we all interprete things different, we can't ever know what reality is, because there is none. There is just a state of being in which we mentally flounder, making up our own realities and perpatrating them on others.

Reality is such a simple concept it is hard to understand, because we have to understand complicated matters to boil ourselves down to the true reality.

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: emeraldlife88]
    #11421925 - 11/09/09 08:20 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Our mouth, nose, eyes, and ears depend on the world around us to feed our brain with information it needs to stay intact with reality. If none of us had any of these senses, I'm sure we would be in a psychedelic landscape inside of our own mind, we would be null. Our brain would have NO physical input whatsoever, your brain would not be able to consistently focus on one reality, so it could skew off into other realities of your brain.
For all we know, without our ears, nose, mouth, and eyes, our brains could just live out a whole lifetime within your own imagination.

Psychedelics give us the chance to remove the main reality and make our brain focus on everything else. Because on psychedelics I notice that the only thing that can keep me grounded on reality is my vision, if I open my eyes, the reality I am so accustomed to is visible, but then if I close my eyes, I am shut off from reality because my focus is only on the things inside my thoughts.

This is a truly bizarre concept, but that is what I think about it :P

So, to sum this all up, reality is just a part of the brain's focus, our senses feed our brain with information about our reality, which forces our brain to focus on the reality that feeds it those senses.

EDIT:
Also after thinking deeply, I think my really educated guess above may actually be a fact. I realized that all the things I said above were just examples of sensory deprivation. It says that when the body loses all of its senses, it's possible to acheive hallucinations, and I'm guessing I said exactly why above.

I feel smart.


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: mrgibblet]
    #11422116 - 11/09/09 08:41 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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I think reality is the dimension our brain is fixed on because of our eyes, nose, mouth, and ears.

Our mouth, nose, eyes, and ears depend on the world around us to feed our brain with information it needs to stay intact with reality. If none of us had any of these senses, I'm sure we would be in a psychedelic landscape inside of our own mind, we would be null. Our brain would have NO physical input whatsoever, your brain would not be able to consistently focus on one reality, so it could skew off into other realities of your brain.
For all we know, without our ears, nose, mouth, and eyes, our brains could just live out a whole lifetime within your own imagination.

Psychedelics give us the chance to remove the main reality and make our brain focus on everything else. Because on psychedelics I notice that the only thing that can keep me grounded on reality is my vision, if I open my eyes, the reality I am so accustomed to is visible, but then if I close my eyes, I am shut off from reality because my focus is only on the things inside my thoughts.

This is a truly bizarre concept, but that is what I think about it :P

So, to sum this all up, reality is just a part of the brain's focus, our senses feed our brain with information about our reality, which forces our brain to focus on the reality that feeds it those senses.

EDIT:
Also after thinking deeply, I think my really educated guess above may actually be a fact. I realized that all the things I said above were just examples of sensory deprivation. It says that when the body loses all of its senses, it's possible to acheive hallucinations, and I'm guessing I said exactly why above.

I feel smart.




reality is not a dimension.


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: nootropic]
    #11422134 - 11/09/09 08:43 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

What is reality? :strokebeard:

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11422160 - 11/09/09 08:45 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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What is reality? :strokebeard:




not a dimension  :awesome:


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: nootropic]
    #11422246 - 11/09/09 08:55 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I feel like we are just maneuvering around in our brains.


The world is the human brain and we are inside it.


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: nootropic]
    #11422277 - 11/09/09 08:57 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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reality is not a dimension.




My bad.
I smoked a bowl before I made that post.

Change the word "dimension" to "senses"

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nevermind, that won't even work.

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I refuse to admit I ever wrote that sentence.

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: nootropic]
    #11422307 - 11/09/09 09:00 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

This is my take on it. In our reality, which may or may not exist, you can fly if you play by it's rules. You can create a plane or a jet pack or whatever.

Remember that drugs can break down the mental walls of reality, or at least accentuate some sort of human emotion. Still I don't recall ever seeing a documented case of somebody defying the physical laws of reality through drugs.

Well, from this I reason that if you were able to levitate, or fly through sheer willpower and bending of reality, you would break reality down. What I'm saying is that, one who realizes reality is an illusion and successfully breaks it down, can no longer operate within reality. I believe you would be placed outside reality or lose all touch with it. I don't think it's like the matrix where you can "free your mind" and still operate within the confines of rules.

Once you've destroyed reality, the laws of physics, or any of that, you are then outside reality. How could one break reality yet still have it exist? It's a paradox.


This is a thought of course, and I have no idea what would really happen if it took place.


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: Mind Transcribing]
    #11422334 - 11/09/09 09:04 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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I feel like we are just maneuvering around in our brains.


The world is the human brain and we are inside it.




I think you mean mind?  I know I'd love to frolic from synapse to synapse, deflowering vesicles while I laughingly spray neurotransmitters everywhere, but it makes little sense to say that we as physical bodies that include our brain are inside the brain itself.


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11422341 - 11/09/09 09:04 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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What is reality? :strokebeard:




that's a hard one because i'm a subjective being using a subjective language to subjectively describe that word.

i'd like to think that reality is. i don't know if that means anything  :shrug:

reality is everything and nothing? or no, it'd just be everything including nothing. or wait...fuck


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: nootropic]
    #11422425 - 11/09/09 09:13 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Reality is anyone's concept of the material world, right?

So reality could be anything, but what is it?


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    #11422429 - 11/09/09 09:14 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Well-answered :thumbup:

I was just fucking around, "What is reality?" isn't a question I expect people to be able to answer (hell, I'm not sure how I'd answer myself)

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    #11422582 - 11/09/09 09:30 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Well-answered :thumbup:

I was just fucking around, "What is reality?" isn't a question I expect people to be able to answer (hell, I'm not sure how I'd answer myself)




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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: nootropic]
    #11422596 - 11/09/09 09:32 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I think it's quite simple.

Our senses create our reality.
If we had no eyes, nose, ears, or mouth, there would be no reality.


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    #11422680 - 11/09/09 09:45 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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I think it's quite simple.

Our senses create our reality.
If we had no eyes, nose, ears, or mouth, there would be no reality.




i think it's quite the opposite. if the reality is everything, it would encompass the mechanics of your senses and your concept of reality.

it all depends on the meaning you give to the word "reality".


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    #11422701 - 11/09/09 09:48 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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I think it's quite simple.

Our senses create our reality.
If we had no eyes, nose, ears, or mouth, there would be no reality.



So you don't believe I exist?

I've never gotten into the philosophical debates on the subject, but the rejection of any independent reality external to ones own mind always struck me as alternately irreverent or craven depending on the context.

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11422731 - 11/09/09 09:52 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

yea, i hate the perception vs. reality argument. perception is a product/part of reality from what i've gathered.


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11422785 - 11/09/09 09:59 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I know you do exist, because I use my eyes to acknowledge your existence over the internet by looking at my computer monitor that displays information to me.

But yeah reality is pretty confusing. There are just some things that can't be proven with words or by actions.


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    #11422818 - 11/09/09 10:03 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Well-answered :thumbup:

I was just fucking around, "What is reality?" isn't a question I expect people to be able to answer (hell, I'm not sure how I'd answer myself)




Based on that statement it seems as though you are placing yourself on some type of pedestal... no offense, I have no quarrel with you.


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    #11422827 - 11/09/09 10:04 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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I know you do exist, because I use my eyes to acknowledge your existence over the internet by looking at my computer monitor that displays information to me.

But yeah reality is pretty confusing. There are just some things that can't be proven with words or by actions.




what about brain dead people? their disability originates from physical reasons. they can't acknowledge your existence, yet they still exist. perceptions do not define reality. reality defines perceptions.


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: nootropic]
    #11422840 - 11/09/09 10:06 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

its mutual. thats what salvia shows you i think...

that your perception and creation of reality are intertwined


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    #11422868 - 11/09/09 10:12 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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its mutual. thats what salvia shows you i think...

that your perception and creation of reality are intertwined




they don't define each other. reality is everything.

smoking salvia produces altered states due to physical reasons (neurochemical reactions).


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    #11423074 - 11/09/09 10:41 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Well-answered :thumbup:

I was just fucking around, "What is reality?" isn't a question I expect people to be able to answer (hell, I'm not sure how I'd answer myself)




Based on that statement it seems as though you are placing yourself on some type of pedestal... no offense, I have no quarrel with you.




All I meant is that I don't generally pose philosophical questions to others that I'm not prepared to answer myself :shrug:

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    #11423076 - 11/09/09 10:42 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

perception is just a point of awareness looking out from inside a grain of reflecting space

or maybe not?

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    #11423086 - 11/09/09 10:44 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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what about brain dead people? their disability originates from physical reasons. they can't acknowledge your existence, yet they still exist. perceptions do not define reality. reality defines perceptions.




You are speaking from the non brain-dead person's perspective.
Our reality is MUCH different from a brain-dead person's reality.
They are most definitely existent in our reality, and we are probably existent in theirs. But who knows.


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11423091 - 11/09/09 10:45 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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All I meant is that I don't generally pose philosophical questions to others that I'm not prepared to answer myself :shrug:




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    #11423111 - 11/09/09 10:49 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

i think realty is just what you percive to be real. if you dont see/smell/feel/taste/hear something and percive it as real then it doesnt exsist in reality, only in your mind. i guess scitzophrenics and phycedelic hallucinations are an exception. some things blur the line between reality and non-reality.


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    #11423115 - 11/09/09 10:50 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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All I meant is that I don't generally pose philosophical questions to others that I'm not prepared to answer myself :shrug:




Some would say that no philosophical questions are answerable by definition; instead, their asking helps us clarify what we mean when we ask the question.




Then why are philosophers always constructing elaborate answers to the questions they pose? (Note: I don't know if they still do that, I'm mostly referring to the philosophers in and around the enlightenment era)

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11423134 - 11/09/09 10:54 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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What is reality? :strokebeard:




Reality is that which exists regardless of perception.

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    #11423138 - 11/09/09 10:54 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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i think realty is just what you percive to be real. if you dont see/smell/feel/taste/hear something and percive it as real then it doesnt exsist in reality, only in your mind. i guess scitzophrenics and phycedelic hallucinations are an exception. some things blur the line between reality and non-reality.



Once again, you're asserting that I'm not real.

You cannot see, hear, smell, or taste me...  But I'm pretty sure I exist.

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11423171 - 11/09/09 11:02 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Reality is light.
We are light.


Everything is light.

Light is energy
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    #11423196 - 11/09/09 11:06 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Reality is light.
We are light.


Everything is light.

Light is energy
Energy is matter



Poetic, but entirely incorrect.

Unless you believe atoms are made up entirely of leptons?

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: tempingasashaman]
    #11423227 - 11/09/09 11:12 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Well thats whats supposed be done. We're all obviously in a wrong state of mind that prohibits us from affecting anything other than in an indirect matter. I don't know. Jesus was able to do it. Ask him. Who the fuck do you think we are? A collaboration of Jesus? I'm jealous of Jesus. Sounds like a band name or some shit. fFfffffffffuck.


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11423230 - 11/09/09 11:14 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Considering I've never heard of a lepton I can't say.

But I'm pretty sure we are (loosely) light energy inside.


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: tempingasashaman]
    #11423252 - 11/09/09 11:18 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I think we use all of our brain just not all at the same time. I think acid produces a higher brain use percentage which is why it may "fry" you out. It produces high "voltage" where high voltage can't be placed. The stronger the mind the easier it can handle acid.

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: tempingasashaman]
    #11423255 - 11/09/09 11:18 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Considering I've never heard of a lepton I can't say.




:google:

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But I'm pretty sure we are (loosely) light energy inside.




No. Matter is made of different/more subatomic particles than light.

To claim that matter is stored energy is accurate (e=mc2), but to claim that matter is made of light is not... Unless you know something that particle physicists don't (in which case step right up and earn your Nobel Prize)

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11423256 - 11/09/09 11:18 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Then why are philosophers always constructing elaborate answers to the questions they pose? (Note: I don't know if they still do that, I'm mostly referring to the philosophers in and around the enlightenment era)




No philosopher that I have ever read has conclusively proven an answer to a philosophical question.  Many have disproven answers, many have clarified the definitions of vague terms and concepts, and many have even offered extremely persuasive rhetoric and evidence for believing a position, but none have actually answered the damn question.  2400 years after Socrates and we're capable of outlining a myriad number of different theories on the mind/body problem, the issue of free will, and the meaning of life--yet the determination of which theory is correct will be left up to other fields.  Neuroscience will solve the problem of mind interacting with matter; physics will solve the issue of determinism and free will; computer science will solve the dilemma of whether intelligence is possible without a physical medium.  Philosophy itself is just a language game a la Wittgenstein: you don't learn anything new by playing around with it but you make sure that you understand all the possibilities for what you might learn next.


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11423261 - 11/09/09 11:20 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Reality is light.
We are light.


Everything is light.

Light is energy
Energy is matter



Poetic, but entirely incorrect.

Unless you believe atoms are made up entirely of leptons?



This caught my eye. THIS is not "entirely incorrect." Everthing IS a constant vibration, which comes in a wave form. THINK about it. There is a spectrum of waves that walks in the rain under an umbrella called LIGHT. Whether you see it or not. infared


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    #11423273 - 11/09/09 11:22 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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As suggested by Quantum physics, Eastern Philosophy, and the Psychedelic Experience...In other words, reality is just a creation of the perceiver...


Then why can't I do ANYTHING or CREATE anything I want?

  This one keeps pissing me off.




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    #11423282 - 11/09/09 11:24 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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tempingasashaman said:
Reality is light.
We are light.


Everything is light.

Light is energy
Energy is matter



Poetic, but entirely incorrect.

Unless you believe atoms are made up entirely of leptons?



This caught my eye. THIS is not "entirely incorrect." Everthing IS a constant vibration, which comes in a wave form. THINK about it. There is a spectrum of waves that walks in the rain under an umbrella called LIGHT. Whether you see it or not. infared



So hydrogen is made of leptons?

I'm not denying the importance of wave-functions. I'm merely pointing out that matter is quite simply not made of light. :shrug:

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    #11423285 - 11/09/09 11:24 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

With regard to the OP:

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    #11423294 - 11/09/09 11:27 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11422599

i thought a thang is thaaaang

everything is somethang, dawg :awedrugs:

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    #11423309 - 11/09/09 11:29 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Reality is light.
We are light.


Everything is light.

Light is energy
Energy is matter



Poetic, but entirely incorrect.

Unless you believe atoms are made up entirely of leptons?



This caught my eye. THIS is not "entirely incorrect." Everthing IS a constant vibration, which comes in a wave form. THINK about it. There is a spectrum of waves that walks in the rain under an umbrella called LIGHT. Whether you see it or not. infared



So hydrogen is made of leptons?

I'm not denying the importance of wave-functions. I'm merely pointing out that matter is quite simply not made of light. :shrug:



Well I'm no scientist, and I'll admit I'm wobblin' off my soapbox cause I'm a little drunk, but I'm thinking that if you lower the frequency of any light, or any sound or anything, eventually it will take form.


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    #11423329 - 11/09/09 11:32 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I'm drunk too:alc:

But that doesn't change the fact that matter is not made entirely of leptons goddamnit!

Where'd DieCommie go? This is his field more than it is mine.

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11423342 - 11/09/09 11:34 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm drunk too:alc:




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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11423361 - 11/09/09 11:36 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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This caught my eye. THIS is not "entirely incorrect." Everthing IS a constant vibration, which comes in a wave form. THINK about it. There is a spectrum of waves that walks in the rain under an umbrella called LIGHT. Whether you see it or not. infared



So hydrogen is made of leptons?

I'm not denying the importance of wave-functions. I'm merely pointing out that matter is quite simply not made of light. :shrug:



I think you're thinking too linearly.

Matter isn't made of light. But what they do have in common is constant flux. Light isn't necessarily the glow emitting from your monitor. It encompasses so much more; so much more than we have the capacity to feel/hear/see/smell, even to notice. Obviously, I was riffing, but I don't have one slight bit of doubt that inside everything is a glow, not of visible light, but of energy that can only best be explained by using the word light.


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: deCypher]
    #11423366 - 11/09/09 11:37 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

first go outside. then run as fast as you can. once you hit the speed of light and become pure energy, you will be able to do or create whatever you want.

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    #11423381 - 11/09/09 11:38 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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    #11423416 - 11/09/09 11:43 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Haha, fair enough, as long as you recognize that your definition of light is pretty cleanly divorced from the physical definition of light.

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    #11423459 - 11/09/09 11:49 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

My opinion.  No one knows whats going on.  No one has ever figured out whats going on.  Its completly unknown.  Why was i born into this specific body at this specific juncture of time and space?  I don't have the slightest clue. Accepting that you don't know is when understanding reality becomes more user friendly.


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    #11423477 - 11/09/09 11:52 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Cognitive_Shift said: Why was i born into this specific body at this specific juncture of time and space?




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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11423479 - 11/09/09 11:52 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, you'd be right.

But the trend in theory's of subatomic particles is always changing, so I see no reason to stick strictly to today's method which will be yesterday's tomorrow.


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    #11423499 - 11/09/09 11:55 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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I see no reason to stick strictly to today's method which will be was yesterday's tomorrow.



Fixed :smirk:

Unless tenses are similarly subject to future revision :strokebeard: :lol:

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Cognitive_Shift said: Why was i born into this specific body at this specific juncture of time and space?




Exactly!  What's so special about this particular spatiotemporal segment?



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    #11423521 - 11/09/09 11:57 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Well sure, but why was I born to these particular parents and not another couple halfway across the world?  Self-awareness and consciousness is just mind-boggling...  :hotidea:


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It's trippy man :hippie:


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    #11423535 - 11/10/09 12:00 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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I see no reason to stick strictly to today's method which will be was yesterday's tomorrow.



Fixed :smirk:

Unless tenses are similarly subject to future revision :strokebeard: :lol:


yeah, but man, it doesn't roll of the tongue as well!


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #11423544 - 11/10/09 12:01 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Just considering yourself as the sum of your genes is artificially limiting. Your mothers genes had influence on your prenatal development. As did the food she ate and air she breathed and a myriad of other factors to some extent. Then there's genes that are essentially designed to randomly pick between two pathways (utilizing the noise of positive feedback loops).

It's truly humbling to contemplate.

And yet no one knows what the fuck it all means, if it means anything at all. :tongue2:

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: auxiliary]
    #11423553 - 11/10/09 12:03 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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With regard to the OP:

I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, "Move from here to there" and it will move.
Matthew 17:20



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Reality is light.
We are light.


Everything is light.

Light is energy
Energy is matter



Poetic, but entirely incorrect.

Unless you believe atoms are made up entirely of leptons?



This caught my eye. THIS is not "entirely incorrect." Everthing IS a constant vibration, which comes in a wave form. THINK about it. There is a spectrum of waves that walks in the rain under an umbrella called LIGHT. Whether you see it or not. infared





this is also very incorrect!!! You are saying everything is made up of electromagnetic waves this is not true at all.  Strings that may make up all the forces of nature are vibrations per say but not really at all like light.  That is like saying sound is the same as light because they are both waves...


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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: deCypher]
    #11423566 - 11/10/09 12:07 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm drunk too:alc:




Me three.  Drunken intellectual conversations are key.




You are correct!  Here maybe this will help the other people understand better!



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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: Supreme Slammage]
    #11423695 - 11/10/09 12:32 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

the first few seconds explains everything:



oops. fixed the video.

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: nootropic]
    #11423725 - 11/10/09 12:37 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

It's called believing.

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Re: If All Matter Is Just Condensed Vibrating Energy... [Re: OutThisLife]
    #11423757 - 11/10/09 12:45 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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It's called believing.





Agreed.


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