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Im watercooling my computer! opinions?
    #11413879 - 11/08/09 10:18 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)



The pumps are Laing
reservoirs are 5-1/2" DVD drive slot, ones a double.
Radiators are 120mm X 480mm 


Its in a Mozart Tx HTPC.
2.2ghz AMD quadcore.Copper zalman waterblock

3- 3870 512 GPUs aluminum zalman waterblock.

and 8 gigs of ram 
on an ASUS M3A32-MVP

Does anyone see any foreseeable problems with the case?  The radiators above the reservoirs seems dumb to me but iv seen people doing it. What do you think?

Im planning on water cooling the ram aswell as the copper addition that comes on the asus board. The south bridge, north bridge and 2 ram slots are connected with copper heat pipes on the m3a32-mvp. So I figure Ill throw a waterblock or two on that aswell.

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Re: Im watercooling my computer! opinions? [Re: Legoulash]
    #11415154 - 11/09/09 12:51 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

did you already buy all this stuff.


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Re: Im watercooling my computer! opinions? [Re: frith]
    #11416352 - 11/09/09 04:15 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

in my opinion watercooling isn't needed in most cases, and when it comes to the cpu, you don't even see a big enough increase in performance to justify the price, when compared tot he top end air systems they have out.  plus your cpu has a sweet spot for stability, and you get to a certain point and it doesn't matter how much cooler you get it, and you can hit this spot or get pretty dam close to it with just air.

anyways i believe pumps push the water, so it shouldn't matter where your resevior is....all i can say is that having them inside the case wouldn't exactly be my first choice but i know thats where alot of people put them i guess


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Re: Im watercooling my computer! opinions? [Re: Legoulash]
    #11416769 - 11/09/09 06:41 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

> The radiators above the reservoirs seems dumb to me but iv seen people doing it.

Stacking radiators like you show is a bad move.  You might as well air cool instead, if that is your plan.

> Im planning on water cooling the ram aswell

Don't bother.  If you are worried, get ram with good heatsinks and put a fan on them.  The restricted flow caused by ram waterblocks isn't worth the hassle.

> Im planning on water cooling the ... south bridge, north bridge

Why are you bothering with the expense of watercooling if you are going with an obsolete product that still uses the north/south bridge architecture?  Regardless, it is a waste to watercool these chips, unless the board already has a waterblock built in.  Same goes for CPU mosfets.

Water cool your CPU and GPUs and air cool everything else.

> anyways i believe pumps push the water, so it shouldn't matter where your resevior is....

It is much easier to prime the system when the reservoir (assuming you have one, they aren't needed) is above the pump.

> all i can say is that having them inside the case wouldn't exactly be my first choice

As long as the hot exhaust blows out of the case, this isn't an issue, and is fairly common.  See pictures of the TJ07 for many examples.


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Re: Im watercooling my computer! opinions? [Re: Seuss]
    #11417875 - 11/09/09 12:42 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

i think you guys pretty much summed it up. water cooling is really not needed in 95% of the cases ive seen. just grab a couple good copper heatsinks and you should be fine. hell of a lot less work..


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Re: Im watercooling my computer! opinions? [Re: frith]
    #11420231 - 11/09/09 06:37 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry I put the radiators like that to simplify the example.  They will be side by side on the top of the case. blowing air out the top.

Why I started this project was to silence and dust proof my computer.  Which will include using large sheets of weather stripping like  material on the inside top to bottom.

This is my motherboard.
http://aberrantech.com/files/2007/10/asus-m3a-mvp-deluxe-wifi.jpg

The north and south bridge is connected to the ram with copper heat pipes.  So i figured I would throw a water block on that copper addition piece. 

Im wasting my time cooling these products because its what I have on hand and does everything I need out of it at this time. Plus im in school with nothing better to do :smirk:

thanks for the good words seuss


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Re: Im watercooling my computer! opinions? [Re: Legoulash]
    #11420390 - 11/09/09 07:01 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

while the dust situation in my pc does suck (i have 2 indoor dogs), i have giant fans and a V8 heatsink for my cpu and i never hear any of them.  if dust elimination and silence is your goal u may look into the oil cooled pc, it was way overboard, but a really cool way to quietly cool an over the top pc.


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Re: Im watercooling my computer! opinions? [Re: iateshaggy]
    #11420491 - 11/09/09 07:18 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I assure you I considered it.


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Re: Im watercooling my computer! opinions? [Re: Legoulash]
    #11420601 - 11/09/09 07:34 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Why would you stack the radiators?  The whole point is to maximize the working surface, isn't it?  By placing them one on the other, you effectively half your surface area.

Unless I'm missing some detail on their inter-relatedness (?)...


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Re: Im watercooling my computer! opinions? [Re: Legoulash]
    #11421713 - 11/09/09 09:59 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Sorry I put the radiators like that to simplify the example.  They will be side by side on the top of the case. blowing air out the top.





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Re: Im watercooling my computer! opinions? [Re: Legoulash]
    #11438750 - 11/12/09 06:29 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I agree  that the only worthwhile purpose for watercooling is noise and wow factor.

Ive overclocked pretty much every new board/cpu ive bought over the past 8years or so, and every single one hit a bottleneck way before temps could ever affect anything..

Then again ive always paid a little extra for nice copper heatsinks.


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Re: Im watercooling my computer! opinions? [Re: Zed]
    #11454441 - 11/14/09 05:06 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I love watercooling.  My PC is watercooled (check out my gallery).


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Re: Im watercooling my computer! opinions? [Re: Zed]
    #11454681 - 11/14/09 05:44 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

> Ive overclocked pretty much every new board/cpu ive bought over the past 8years or so, and every single one hit a bottleneck way before temps could ever affect anything..

Did you ever figure out what you were doing wrong?  Done properly, heat will be your limiting factor in overclocking.  Done properly, water cooling will always outperform air cooling.  Done properly, a water cooled system will always overclock better than an air cooled system.

There is a reason beyond noise and wow factor for watercooling.  However, a lot can be said for quiet and wow.


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Re: Im watercooling my computer! opinions? [Re: Seuss]
    #11454832 - 11/14/09 06:05 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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> Ive overclocked pretty much every new board/cpu ive bought over the past 8years or so, and every single one hit a bottleneck way before temps could ever affect anything..

Did you ever figure out what you were doing wrong?  Done properly, heat will be your limiting factor in overclocking.  Done properly, water cooling will always outperform air cooling.  Done properly, a water cooled system will always overclock better than an air cooled system.

There is a reason beyond noise and wow factor for watercooling.  However, a lot can be said for quiet and wow.




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Quiet and Wow are just bonuses to the fact that it dropped my temperatures nearly 50C on my graphics cards and over 35C on my CPU, under full load.

Don't forget the other bonus is a lot less dust in the system.  Since you don't have moving air over the circuits, you don't build up dust the way you'd normally build it up.  Over a year I've barely collected Any dust on my PC, only my water radiator collects dust (and can collect massive amounts if you let it.)


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Re: Im watercooling my computer! opinions? [Re: Maverick]
    #11455336 - 11/14/09 07:42 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

wish they made smaller units. I would hook up my media pc with it


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Re: Im watercooling my computer! opinions? [Re: Seuss]
    #11458067 - 11/15/09 05:54 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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> Ive overclocked pretty much every new board/cpu ive bought over the past 8years or so, and every single one hit a bottleneck way before temps could ever affect anything..

Did you ever figure out what you were doing wrong?  Done properly, heat will be your limiting factor in overclocking.  Done properly, water cooling will always outperform air cooling.  Done properly, a water cooled system will always overclock better than an air cooled system.

There is a reason beyond noise and wow factor for watercooling.  However, a lot can be said for quiet and wow.




were talking about stable overclocking here tho, sure you can crank shit up to insane numbers but will it pass all the stability tests?  no, will it run winda's....maybe...for how long or when your hard drive becomes corrupt?

were not disputing that water will cool better, what were disputing is if its needed...especially when price is considered.

in otherwords...you can't just crank some random cpu chip to 8ghz as long as you keep it cool and even if you did how long would you be able to keep it running like that.  cpu's have limitations, and with the top end air systems you get close enough.

if im wrong prove it and i might just buy a water system, but the last time i went researching into water cooling i never found any useful data from good sources like tomshardware.  the other places didn't even show very good results and then never posted the stability tests, which is what its all about for me.  i don't care how high i can crank it, i only care about how high it can go and pass the tests. 

lastly, to maverick thats the first time ive ever seen cpu numbers at 13C on water... did you drop your vcore or dump ice in the water or something, those are some insane results depending on the chip. altho i guess the real question is, when you tell us how much it dropped tho. is what kind of air cooling were you using, which most likely was stock.  think the lowest ive seen on air on my computers was 30-35C, right now im around 45 with stock air on my I7.  i always had water pegged at around 10C for benifits so your at like 17C


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Re: Im watercooling my computer! opinions? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #11458596 - 11/15/09 09:45 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

My intel q9550 (eo stepping) needed water cooling to pass 3.8 ghz, and break past 4.0ghz.  My temps with a zerotherm nirvana tower with great airflow were reaching the low 50's, but with a custom loop,mostly swifttech, i can hit 4.2 totally stable in prime 95 and everest, while keeping temps under control.(28-32 idle, 38-42 loaded)  The performance gain's weren't mind blowing, but it defenitly got me better scores in 3d mark and furmark.(to an enthusiast it's worth it)  I would also like to add that a lot of people not only liquid cool for temps, but to acheive a completely silent cooling solution.  Having a bunch of fans blaring wide open can seriously be really loud. Also high temps=instability so keeping them low may prevent hitting a brick wall due to high temps.  My rad is custom mounted on machined stand off's on top of my machine, i use a 5.25 bay res, swiftech 355b pump, swiftech nb black,and 1/2 " tubes.  Also, asthetically its a monster....:wink:  If you are going to cool your n/b you better make sure that the block you are going to use is not going to restrict the flow in your loop, as many do.(cooling the n/b leads to very minimal performance gains, i just got my nb block for free, and it's non resrictive) The res being higher than the pump doesn't matter at all.  Make sure you get all the air outta your rad, and your loop as a whole, or your loop will be very innefective.  Are you using coolant, or distilled water/water wetter?


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Re: Im watercooling my computer! opinions? [Re: Seuss]
    #11458624 - 11/15/09 10:01 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Why are you bothering with the expense of watercooling if you are going with an obsolete product that still uses the north/south bridge architecture?  Regardless, it is a waste to watercool these chips, unless the board already has a waterblock built in.  Same goes for CPU mosfets.






I'm not sure what you're talking about, as all boards have nb/sb.  Nb is the integrated memory controller while the s/b is the integrated board control(for slower functions).  Why don't you link me to a board that doesn't have north and south bridge?  I'm thinking you'll have a hard time lol


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Re: Im watercooling my computer! opinions? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #11575997 - 12/03/09 12:40 PM (8 years, 16 days ago)

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> Ive overclocked pretty much every new board/cpu ive bought over the past 8years or so, and every single one hit a bottleneck way before temps could ever affect anything..

Did you ever figure out what you were doing wrong?  Done properly, heat will be your limiting factor in overclocking.  Done properly, water cooling will always outperform air cooling.  Done properly, a water cooled system will always overclock better than an air cooled system.

There is a reason beyond noise and wow factor for watercooling.  However, a lot can be said for quiet and wow.




were talking about stable overclocking here tho, sure you can crank shit up to insane numbers but will it pass all the stability tests?  no, will it run winda's....maybe...for how long or when your hard drive becomes corrupt?

were not disputing that water will cool better, what were disputing is if its needed...especially when price is considered.

in otherwords...you can't just crank some random cpu chip to 8ghz as long as you keep it cool and even if you did how long would you be able to keep it running like that.  cpu's have limitations, and with the top end air systems you get close enough.

if im wrong prove it and i might just buy a water system, but the last time i went researching into water cooling i never found any useful data from good sources like tomshardware.  the other places didn't even show very good results and then never posted the stability tests, which is what its all about for me.  i don't care how high i can crank it, i only care about how high it can go and pass the tests. 

lastly, to maverick thats the first time ive ever seen cpu numbers at 13C on water... did you drop your vcore or dump ice in the water or something, those are some insane results depending on the chip. altho i guess the real question is, when you tell us how much it dropped tho. is what kind of air cooling were you using, which most likely was stock.  think the lowest ive seen on air on my computers was 30-35C, right now im around 45 with stock air on my I7.  i always had water pegged at around 10C for benifits so your at like 17C






Actually, I just opened my window and cooled my room down to around that temperature.  I was freezing my balls off in my room, but to get a temperature reading of 7C was well worth it.  :3
Air cooling would not have been even close to that good, as the internal temp of the PC case was at 28C alone from just the heat off the NB/SB chipset.  I've got a Lian Li V2000B, so airflow heat dissipates well through the holes, it's not just sitting in there.  If you put your hand to the back top of the PC you can feel heat pouring off the motherboard and VRAM(DDR4 or 5 in my case) and VRM heatsinks.  You have to take into consideration how all the ambient heat will take effect inside of an air-cooled PC.  Even with adequate airflow, your fans are going to pull in pre-warmed air from chips on the motherboard, any chips around it, and itself.  RAM even produces heat that can disturb the cool incoming flow of air.
I don't know how much heat they recycle from their own cooling process (when they pull in air that was already used to cool, and is now warm) but I imagine it's quite a bit, with watercooling, you remove that factor completely, you're taking the heat and dropping it elsewhere, not inside the case.

There are definitely multiple walls to Overclocking besides heat, it's just nice to remove heat as an element that can cause actual physical harm to your PC (I've burnt chips).




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Check out what they have to offer, you don't have to go with fat 1/2" tubing, you can go with 3/8" external, or even 1/4" external, you just have to custom build your water cooling kit, choose your water blocks yourself from water cooling enthusiast sites, and specify you want the smaller tubing.  It's best to build your own Custom water cooling system anyway, it's a means to ensure that you have all the same metal (copper), and no aluminum parts in your loop.  Aluminum galvanizes with copper, and corrodes the copper, it's also not as efficient with heat transfer as copper.


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Re: Im watercooling my computer! opinions? [Re: Maverick]
    #11576757 - 12/03/09 03:17 PM (8 years, 15 days ago)

yah air isn't very good at going below ambient temps thats for sure but its kinda shady to be talking about low temps in here when you had to cheat to get that number, gotta give you props for admiting it tho:thumbup:, there is one thing you overlooked however, air may draw in heat from surrounding parts, but it also blows it OUT of the case.  if your using strickly watercooling and no fans, then you will have trapped heat in your case from anything that you don't have a waterblock on.  I myself use a HAF 932 so my case is like a block of swiss cheese with fans the size of my head, heat doesn't stay inside it for very long.

its also not just heat, but also overclocking/overvolting can cause physical damage as well.  and as for heat, a top of the line air cooling system will keep it well within its specs unless your trying to break OC records.


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