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Best san pedro/peyote method
    #11406098 - 11/07/09 06:30 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I read this:
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Dried San Pedro Cactus

San Pedro Cactus, Trichocereus pachanoi has a long history of ritual use in oracles, sexual magic, out-of-body-flights and shamanism in pre-Hispanic times. Today Peruvian curanderos still ingest San Pedro Cactus during their nocturnal mesa rituals. San Pedro Cactus is used primarily by shamans in psychedelic rituals. In Peruvian folk medicine preparations of San Pedro Cactus are used as a aphrodisiac and tonics.

San Pedro Cactus should be dried after the ribs are cut apart and the skin or rind is cut away at the place were the green coloration of the flesh disappears. Then San Pedro Cactus is placed in the sun and once the skin starts to roll up it should be flipped over, drying San Pedro Cactus can take from two to six days.

Dried San Pedro Cactus should be ground to a fine powder, the more finely ground San Pedro Cactus is the better absorption of the mescaline. Dried San Pedro Cactus can be gel-capped as the taste of dried San Pedro Cactus can be very bitter. Dried San Pedro Cactus can be dissolved into a juice, water, tea or some other liquid but must be consumed as quickly as possible otherwise it will congeal into a mass.

According to Jim DeKorne who wrote Psychedelic Shamanism he estimates that 100 grams of dried San Pedro Cactus will yield 300 milligrams of pure mescaline."



and I also read this:

In addition to containing mescaline, the cacti mentioned above contain a large variety of related psychoactive compounds, and will produce experiences that are qualitatively different than pure mescaline. The experience produced by Peyote is also quite distinct from that produced by cacti from the trichocereus family. "


So how do you guys prefer it, pure mescaline powder of dried san pedro that includes dried cactus, whole cactus, buttons, or PURE mescaline?
what difference does it make to you? 

Does peyote effect you better/different? what methods for peyote do you use that make a difference?

And for mescaline what doses render what effects on you?

any other cactus like peruvian torch?


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Re: Best san pedro/peyote method [Re: naturallyunnatural]
    #11406208 - 11/07/09 06:46 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I prefer to boil either of them down into a thick stew, and chug away.
Its completely disgusting, but its better than chewing the raw cactus(fresh peyote is the most wretched substance on earth).

I enjoy this method because I'm somewhat of a traditionalist, and prefer not to do extracts (plus I'm lazy :tongue:). I also like the fact that it is so difficult to consume, it is somewhat of a right of passage, and the trip feels more "earned" than the other methods.


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Re: Best san pedro/peyote method [Re: satyr]
    #11407149 - 11/07/09 09:12 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

You have a lot of questions.

I havent had pure mescaline before.

But, if I had to refer a tek to any neophyte to cactus eating it would be first to FrenchMachines fresh tek. (utfse)

After that..... you NEED to drink tea before you die.

There are a few cactuses that contain desirable alkaloids. do a few searches on psychoactive cactus, I think www.erowid.org has quite a few different interesting things about cactus.

I am against peyote (Lophora sp.) UNLESS it was grow from seed in a persons house. Poaching wild specimins has greatly decreased the population in places where it once grew wild.


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Re: Best san pedro/peyote method [Re: Shad0w]
    #11408462 - 11/08/09 12:32 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Smartweed said:
I made this thread so people with the San Pedro cactus that are familiar with the extraction process. There are several websites with different methods. However I wanna see what you all use as your favorite methods, to extract the goodies. I want the most easiest and productive way for extraction. Here is what I found on the internet from http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/mes05.htm

Mescaline
Ingesting Cacti That Contain Mescaline
Copyright © Klaus Trenary

Since the general consensus is that hallucinogenic cacti taste bad, it was felt that a lengthy discussion of the different ways to prepare and eat them would be of help.

The peyote cactus (Lophophora williamsii) and members of the Trichocereus genus (like san pedro) are often consumed for the mescaline they contain. The effects of ingesting both types of cacti are similar, yet there are differences.

Most of the references on this page are to the san pedro cactus (botanical name Trichocereus pachanoi). However, other species of Trichocereus (and some other types of cacti) may be consumed using the methods discussed.



I've tried consuming Trichocereus pachanoi (san pedro) almost every way imaginable. Through my trial and error, I feel that I've arrived at the best way for me to consume this plant for the best entheogenic results. I'll briefly review some of the different ways I've tried.

---Eating like a cucumber: This method consists of peeling the cactus and eating it (chewing every bite). This seemed somewhat effective except it took so long for me to eat it (6 or more hours) that the impact of the effect was diminished, and I couldn't seem to eat enough.

---Boiling down to a residue: This method consists of slicing the cactus in thin slices, and boiling for an hour, collecting the liquid, adding more water, boiling, etc, several times then taking the 'cactus juice' and boiling it down to a residue. This residue is then scraped into capsules and swallowed. This method seemed to reduce the effect by a factor of 4 or more.

---Desiccating: This method consists of slicing the cactus and thoroughly drying it, then grinding it to a powder. This method was also very disappointing, seeming to take very long to come on.

---Extraction: This method consists of desiccating and grinding the cactus to powder, extracting with water, then extracting with benzene washing, and recrystallizing with benzene. 1 g of crystals looking like mescaline and requiring lots of cactus, had no noticeable effect.

---Boiling: This method consists of slicing in thin slices and boiling, collecting the cactus juice, adding fresh water, and repeating. The cactus juice is drunk. This method seems to reduce the effect somewhat.

---Grinding and filtering: This method consists of grinding the cactus, and straining, grinding the solids more with fresh water, straining, and repeating several times until there are few solids. One problem is that grinding tends to froth the stuff up, but with time and gravity it condenses back to a liquid. This method seems to work well, with little reduction in potency.



Finally my preferred method described in some detail.

1) cutting: If using a live plant, cut off the portion of the cactus that you wish to consume, leaving a viable portion to grow. This is important, especially if one later discovers this individual cactus has special properties. It is best to take a middle section (if the cactus is tall enough) leaving both the apical and rooted section to grow.

If using a san pedro cutting, a piece 6 inches to 12 inches long is recommended. When you have an idea of what a certain amount does, you can adjust the dose size to suit your particular next time you try.

2) washing: The cutting is washed in water, running a finger up and down the grooves.

3) de-spining: The spines are cut out removing as little of the valuable green tissue as possible.

4) de-skinning: Cuts are made down the grooves. The skin is pulled up attempting to keep a piece going as long as possible. It helps to pull as much as possible from the groove outward.

5) sectioning: cuts are made from the grooves to the core and the sections are pulled away from the core. Pieces of core remaining on the sections are cut off. The core is discarded.

6) freezing: The sections are placed in a freezer for several hours until thoroughly frozen.

7) grinding: The frozen sections are chopped up and ground, and the pulp filtered to collect the liquid. The pulp is ground more and filtered, adding only a little water on the second and third grindings.

8) drinking: The collected liquids are drunk as quickly as possible without gaging or regurgitating.

9) eating: The remaining solids are consumed.



NOTES: I perfected the final method only during my most recent session, and the resulting trip was very intense (similar, at least visually, to a strong 500ug dose of LSD).

I was quite convinced that a spirit inhabited that cactus, and that it came through more clearly than other sessions because I had treated it properly. Desiccation or excessive boiling seem to kill part of its spirit. Freezing seems to be a good way to 'put it to rest'.

On a more scientific level, I'm not sure why this cactus is so sensitive to the way it is consumed. Perhaps it is because it contains a special synergistic mixture of alkaloids and some are destroyed more easily than others. Also freezing would break down the cell walls while not degrading the compounds as boiling might.



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gordon_k gives us his favorite methods.

Before you prepare any san pedro for ingestion: a word of warning. It tastes bad. It tastes gross. It is ten times worse than the worst thing you have ever tasted. It looks, tastes, feels, and smells absolutely gross. It is entirely possible to drink it, but very unpleasant. You have been warned.



Method #1:
Traditional preparation of san pedro is as follows: We are assuming your cactus is about 3" in diameter. Remove spines. Finely chop up about 6-12 inches or 1-2 pounds fresh (I've used a blender--but don't totally liquefy it for this method), depending on how deep you wish to journey.....Boil in several quarts of water for three hours. Strain it, save the water, and boil it again in a few more quarts of water for another three hours...strain again.

Both times, you may need to add water in order to keep it simmering for three hours. The pulp may now be thrown out. Combine the two extracts and boil down to a cup or two.

This will take at least another hour. (I have some literature that says you can just eat it, but I think that it is easier to drink a cup of foul tasting liquid than to eat a foot long cactus). Lately I have read that boiling with 25% lemon juice for only 2 hours will properly extract the mescaline.

That makes sense, based on all my reading. Much quicker too! My suggestion is chop fine, boil for 2-3 hours with 25% lemon juice (fresh is probably better at extracting the alkaloids), strain, and then gently simmer down to a consumable quantity (perhaps 2 cups).

The percentage of mescaline is supposed to be approximately that of peyote, so that can be your guide when deciding how much to prepare. Having never taken peyote, I don't really have much basis for comparison.

But based on my reading combined with my experience, peyote would seem to be much more potent. I know that the first time, I took four inches and it didn't do that much....enough that I noticed it, but not much more.

Then the next time I prepared 12 inches, and, to use the vernacular of my youth, tripped my freaking brains out. It was the first time I'd ever experienced Mescaline and it was beautiful, wonderful, spiritual, and indescribably nice.

If you are prepared for a strong psychedelic experience I would suggest 12 inches (of about 3" cactus). It is best taken in two doses, 45 minutes apart, to minimize the shock to the system. My literature suggests that it isn't nearly as physically nauseating as peyote. I have not found it to be very bad.

I warn you that it tastes TERRIBLE!, and you probably will want to cook it down to a very small amount of liquid(a cup or two total), because of this. However, one author had this to say: "In my own experience extensive boiling of san pedro produces a trip that is mellower, more sedative, and with fewer visuals, as well as reducing the potency in general".

After trying his method, I have also found this to be true, so I suggest the method below. It works beautifully! Even better than method #1! Unfortunately, it requires ingestion of a MUCH larger volume of snarly tasting liquefied cactus. It's worth it, but definitely harder to do.



Method #2:
Remove spines. Chop, then blend, juice or otherwise liquefy. For each foot of cactus: Add 1 cup water and the juice of two lemons to the bowl of liquid. This extract can be frozen for later use, although it may be illegal in this form. (san pedro is legal to possess, but illegal to consume, in the USA).

The liquid extract can be chilled to ice-cold temperatures before ingestion, and prepared with lemon juice, both of which make it more palatable. I don't think it makes a big difference myself.

Consume 6-8 oz. portions 15-30 minutes apart until you've fully consumed your chosen dose (cactus length). Remember, san pedro is intensely bitter, so don't savor it, just chug. This method works great, but I have found that stomach capacity will limit how far you can travel.

I think future journeys will be with the boiled or dried/powdered cactus. This method works great, but I've usually gotten fairly mild but quite satisfactory results. Perfect for the first couple of san pedro voyages.



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Cooking with san pedro can easily be adopted from other techniques for Mexican food. Some recipes that can help make eating Trichocereus more palatable are as follows:

---Prickly Sticks: Peel and slice cactus, into pieces that are 6 inches long. Dip in Lime juice and sprinkle with salt and ground cilantro. Eat like a carrot stick.

---Pedro Hash: Chop and dice cactus section into small 1/4 inch cubes. Soak 1/4 pound of cubes in 2 tablespoons of good cider vinegar. Mix in parsley and salt, leave in refrigerator for 2 hours.

---Quick Fried: Remove spines and cut inch thick, star shaped slices. Remove and discard the woody center. Fry the cactus slices in olive oil, over medium heat. Cook till the edge just start to brown.

---Fried Delight: Chop and dice cactus section into 1/4 inch cubes. Mix 2 cups of cubes, 1/4 cup of finely diced onions, half a clove of garlic, and salt. Brown over medium heat for 10 minutes, cover and simmer on low for 15 minutes more.



The key thing to remember is, when eating, remove and discard the waxy, outer skin. It is widely believed that this part of the plant is one of the main sources of nausea producing constituents, and should not be consumed. Be careful not to discard any green or white tissue.

Generally adding vinegar or a strongly acidic juice like Lemon, or Lime, will help to neutralize the inherent bitterness of san pedro. From what I understand, the addition of acidic liquids probably converts some of the various free-base alkaloids into citrates or acetates.

I have also heard that putting the intended sacrificial victim in a dark place for at least a month prior to harvest can help improve the texture of the cactus flesh, making it somewhat less gritty and crunchy. This can also help increase alkaloid levels through stress.

Note: Extensive boiling of any psychoactive cactus during preparation will affect the resultant effects. It is said that excessive boiling reduces the potency in general, and gives a mellower, more sedative trip, with fewer visuals. Probably due to the destruction or modification of some of the constituent alkaloids.



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Trichocereus pachanoi (san pedro) is legal just about everywhere. But if you mention anything about drugs or mescaline or anything along those lines, it becomes illegal. So be careful what you say when purchasing or growing any cacti that contain mescaline. You can find such things as san pedro seeds and cuttings and rooted cacti available from suppliers that ship from the USA to most countries.

If you would like to grow growing cacti that contain mescaline see this. For an illustrated example of one method extracting a concentrated preparation of san pedro for ingestion see this.

The peyote cactus (Lophophora williamsii) is illegal in the USA (except to members of some native churches). In Canada and other parts of the world Lophophora williamsii (peyote) is not illegal unless it is being used to produce mescaline.




i personally didn't realize boiling affected potency this much. anyone else have a personal favorite method of ingestion?


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Re: Best san pedro/peyote method [Re: mataylor]
    #11409019 - 11/08/09 03:16 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Best san pedro/peyote method [Re: tempingasashaman]
    #11409150 - 11/08/09 03:57 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

easiest and best way is to

cut into chunks

put in blender

boil down to a 8oz glass worth

strain through an old t-shirt

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Re: Best san pedro/peyote method [Re: pornisfun2]
    #11419741 - 11/09/09 05:21 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

A friend of mine has tried eating fresh as well as boiling it down to tea form and is currently drying some out for latter use.  He said that when he ate the green flesh from a 8in by 2in piece of fresh cactus that he had an amazing body high with slight visuals.  From the same cutting he used 14in by 2in piece and lightly simmered/boiled it into a tea.  The tea from 14in was actually weaker then the 8in fresh.  Depsite the tea being almost twice the size and being stressed for longer as well as closer to the base then the other fresh section.  So most likely he isn't going to boil ever again as it seemed to be a waste of cactus.  Once he tries his dried batch he will know for sure whether he like fresh or dried but having a feeling that drying will be better as more then 90% of the fresh cactus is just water. this was san pedro cutting by the way.


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Re: Best san pedro/peyote method [Re: Bored] * 1
    #11430054 - 11/11/09 01:24 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

peyote is a holy medicine and should be eaten as is. please make sure you harvest sustainably or get it from the gardens that do.
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that having been said, i have tried peyote tea and peyote whole and i must say the tea is palatable but whole is a much better healing. this medicine is something so beautiful and precious i have to beg you not to use it for mere recreational experiments. grow it, save it, use it only in the most sacred times. only when you really need it, you can reach out and talk with this medicine. you can manage a sustainable crop starting with a graft.


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Re: Best san pedro/peyote method [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #11430226 - 11/11/09 01:55 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I had tried San Pedro three times within a month. I kept having to takea higher dose. The third time did the trick and it was about 18inchs of three pieces of cacti about 1.5-2.7 inches in diameter blended and boiled down to about a cup of nasty tasting dark green water. I'll drink it again though. 12 hour trip with the middle 6-8 hours being quite enjoyable. The coming up and down weren't that exciting, but not uncomfortable - I just noticed that my pupils were still kind of big and I felt a little different. The experience did not produce strong visuals surprisingly, but they are similar to shrooms - if you focused on something with your eyes it will move around mellow-like especially if it's an elaborate pattern. Nothing went crazy like you usually hear from cacti - but hey everyone's different. In fact I worked 10-7pm, took the San Pedro at 9:30am, had fun at work, and was good to drive after work.


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