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A simple logic / math problem
    #11405669 - 11/07/09 05:23 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I submit that anyone who passed a college math (sets) or logic class would have no trouble with this simple problem.


Group A has 1000 members and says Group B is wrong about Topic X.

Group B has 1000 members and says Group A is wrong about Topic X.

Group C has 100 members and says both Group A and Group B are wrong about Topic X.


Which group is most likely correct?


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Re: A simple logic / math problem [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11405676 - 11/07/09 05:24 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Icelander.


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Re: A simple logic / math problem [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11405720 - 11/07/09 05:30 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

C because no-one is saying C is wrong about topic x.


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Re: A simple logic / math problem [Re: Icelander]
    #11405772 - 11/07/09 05:40 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I didn't ask which group was most narcissistic. :nono:


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Re: A simple logic / math problem [Re: Ahimsa]
    #11405829 - 11/07/09 05:49 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Ahimsa said:
C because no-one is saying C is wrong about topic x.




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Re: A simple logic / math problem [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11406022 - 11/07/09 06:22 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

You don't give enough demographic information about these three groups in order for one to give a realistic answer.

Either way, I would think that each of those groups are just as likely to be wrong or right as any of the other groups.


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Re: A simple logic / math problem [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11406185 - 11/07/09 06:43 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Glad you understand. :thumbup:

Group A are Christians

and

Group B are Muslims.

Topic X is God.


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Re: A simple logic / math problem [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11406215 - 11/07/09 06:47 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
Glad you understand. :thumbup:

Group A are Christians

and

Group B are Muslims.

Topic X is God.




ouch


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Re: A simple logic / math problem [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11406228 - 11/07/09 06:48 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Group C is most likely correct.

1100 people say Group A is wrong.

1100 people say Group B is wrong.

0 people say Group C is wrong.

-Edit-
If topic X is god however, both group A and group B say that group C (atheists I presume) are incorrect.  In which case the numbers would be

1100 people say group A is wrong

1100 people say group B is wrong

2000 people say group C is wrong.


Edited by BothHands (11/07/09 06:52 PM)


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Re: A simple logic / math problem [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11406230 - 11/07/09 06:49 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Aren't they all just as likely to be right or wrong? :confused:


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Re: A simple logic / math problem [Re: Poid]
    #11406256 - 11/07/09 06:53 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Poid said:
Aren't they all just as likely to be right or wrong? :confused:





Well, according to logic, no.

According to quantum physics, yes.


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Re: A simple logic / math problem [Re: BothHands]
    #11406264 - 11/07/09 06:55 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Quantum physics is a science, which operates on on the axioms of mathematical logic.


How do you suppose that, according to logic, the correct answer to my question is "No."? How does quantum physics answer "Yes." to my question?


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Re: A simple logic / math problem [Re: Poid]
    #11406283 - 11/07/09 06:59 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I may not have thought that through well enough.

I'll need a while to thoroughly contemplate this.

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Re: A simple logic / math problem [Re: BothHands]
    #11406299 - 11/07/09 07:01 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I'll wait...:waits:


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Re: A simple logic / math problem [Re: Poid]
    #11406350 - 11/07/09 07:08 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

In quantum physics, absolutely nothing has a 0 probability, whereas logic can eliminate all possibility of one thing or another.  This is where I made my leap, and I realize I should have asked myself a few questions before that leap.

I think you're right, according to logic, both sides are equally likely to be right.

According to *statistics* group C is most likely correct in his question.

He changed his question when he assigned the variables however, meaning that Group A and Group B are most likely correct.


Maybe it's not even statistics.  Maybe it's only according to elementary math.  I don't know; argue some more so I have something more to think about!


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Re: A simple logic / math problem [Re: BothHands]
    #11406360 - 11/07/09 07:10 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

BothHands said:
In quantum physics, absolutely nothing has a 0 probability, whereas logic can eliminate all possibility of one thing or another.


Source?




Quote:

BothHands said:
According to *statistics* group C is most likely correct in his question.


Source?


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Re: A simple logic / math problem [Re: Poid]
    #11406476 - 11/07/09 07:27 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

My source for quantum physics is the book "The Symbiotic Universe" by George Greenstein, though my recollection may be slightly off.

Atoms can leap from one place to another without any reason or cause.  It is possible for every atom of gas in a particular room to be concentrated completely in only one side of the room.  The probability is ridiculously low though.

If you've ever taken a class in logic, you know that logic can eliminate the possibility of one thing or another.  This isn't a logical equation as the premises do not state facts.


As I said, maybe it's not statistics.  Maybe it's just elementary math.




Maybe you're just completely right all together.

I think I have to forfeit.  My sources would require I spend hours reading, and my recollection is quite off.  Even if I did the reading, I might find that you're right anyway.

I give up hun.


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Re: A simple logic / math problem [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11406518 - 11/07/09 07:34 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Anyway, Orgone, with your logic, and whatever type of math or logic it might be, Group C is least likely to be correct.

So if this was an attempt to prove that athiesm is logical, you've done a pretty crappy job.


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Re: A simple logic / math problem [Re: BothHands]
    #11406743 - 11/07/09 08:08 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

It depends on how you look at it.


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Re: A simple logic / math problem [Re: trip forever]
    #11406747 - 11/07/09 08:09 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Group C is most likely correct


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