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Invisibledr_gonz

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Question for all the Christians around here
    #11403484 - 11/07/09 12:01 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

If your "God" is almighty and forgiving - why won't he forgive satan?

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Re: Question for all the Christians around here [Re: dr_gonz]
    #11403606 - 11/07/09 12:19 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

The scripture doesn't say anything about a redeemer for angles.  God is not under any obligation to show forgiveness, even though we read He is full of mercy.  Most humans are vessels of wrath fitted to be destroyed while others are vessels of mercy.  Both serve a purpose, one to demonstrate God's righteous judgment and justness, while the other demonstrates God's love.  The end of both is the glory of God.  All things exist so that God may be glorified in all that He is.


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Re: Question for all the Christians around here [Re: fivepointer]
    #11403616 - 11/07/09 12:20 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

fivepointer said:
The scripture doesn't say anything about a redeemer for angles.  God is not under any obligation to show forgiveness, even though we read He is full of mercy.  Most humans are vessels of wrath fitted to be destroyed while others are vessels of mercy.  Both serve a purpose, one to demonstrate God's righteous judgment and justness, while the other demonstrates God's love.  The end of both is the glory of God.  All things exist so that God may be glorified in all that He is.




:rofl2:


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Re: Question for all the Christians around here [Re: dr_gonz]
    #11403619 - 11/07/09 12:21 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Cause there god is a jealous god. :satansmoking:

He can't handle that one of his offspring is an upstart. He's petty shallow and envious. I mean he would be if he existed.:lol:


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Re: Question for all the Christians around here [Re: Icelander]
    #11403628 - 11/07/09 12:22 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

That's what I don't get about Christianity. Some huge hypocrites in that group. Then again I'm not saying all are.


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Re: Question for all the Christians around here [Re: fivepointer]
    #11403636 - 11/07/09 12:23 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

fivepointer said:
The scripture doesn't say anything about a redeemer for angles.  God is not under any obligation to show forgiveness, even though we read He is full of mercy.  Most humans are vessels of wrath fitted to be destroyed while others are vessels of mercy.  Both serve a purpose, one to demonstrate God's righteous judgment and justness, while the other demonstrates God's love.  The end of both is the glory of God.  All things exist so that God may be glorified in all that He is.




:omgz:

gtfo. just go, ok?


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Re: Question for all the Christians around here [Re: fivepointer]
    #11403641 - 11/07/09 12:24 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

fivepointer said:
The scripture doesn't say anything about a redeemer for angles.  God is not under any obligation to show forgiveness, even though we read He is full of mercy.  Most humans are vessels of wrath fitted to be destroyed while others are vessels of mercy.  Both serve a purpose, one to demonstrate God's righteous judgment and justness, while the other demonstrates God's love.  The end of both is the glory of God.  All things exist so that God may be glorified in all that He is.




hey fivepointer, glad to have ya back.


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Re: Question for all the Christians around here [Re: fivepointer]
    #11403654 - 11/07/09 12:26 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

fivepointer said:
The scripture doesn't say anything about a redeemer for angles.  God is not under any obligation to show forgiveness, even though we read He is full of mercy.  Most humans are vessels of wrath fitted to be destroyed while others are vessels of mercy.  Both serve a purpose, one to demonstrate God's righteous judgment and justness, while the other demonstrates God's love.  The end of both is the glory of God.  All things exist so that God may be glorified in all that He is.




how do people enter heaven or become accepted by god and not go to hell?  is there anything they must do or say?


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Re: Question for all the Christians around here [Re: dr_gonz]
    #11403667 - 11/07/09 12:27 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

fivepointer said:
The scripture doesn't say anything about a redeemer for angles.  God is not under any obligation to show forgiveness, even though we read He is full of mercy.  Most humans are vessels of wrath fitted to be destroyed while others are vessels of mercy.  Both serve a purpose, one to demonstrate God's righteous judgment and justness, while the other demonstrates God's love.  The end of both is the glory of God.  All things exist so that God may be glorified in all that He is.





So God is apparently a celestial fascist not unlike Hitler? That is quite disturbing to think that people believe in a celestial dictatorship that one cannot even escape even after death. :omgz:


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Re: Question for all the Christians around here [Re: deranger]
    #11403677 - 11/07/09 12:29 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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is there anything they must do or say?




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Re: Question for all the Christians around here [Re: TheBalance]
    #11403690 - 11/07/09 12:30 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

oh noes



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Re: Question for all the Christians around here [Re: dr_gonz]
    #11403698 - 11/07/09 12:31 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

dr_gonz said:
If your "God" is almighty and forgiving - why won't he forgive satan?

:smirk:




Im not a Christian, but I was raised one and I was taught he did forgive satan.


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Re: Question for all the Christians around here [Re: DieCommie]
    #11403704 - 11/07/09 12:32 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

apparently not.

i was raised a hardcore christian. bible thumpin, ftl.


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Re: Question for all the Christians around here [Re: fivepointer]
    #11403707 - 11/07/09 12:32 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

fivepointer said:
God is not under any obligation to show forgiveness, even though we read He is full of mercy.




In the full of mercy clause, subsection 2 of the angels contract clearly states that God is under no obligation to show forgiveness.


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Re: Question for all the Christians around here [Re: fivepointer]
    #11403736 - 11/07/09 12:35 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

The scripture doesn't say anything about a redeemer for angles.




The Bible is not big on geometry.


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Re: Question for all the Christians around here [Re: deranger]
    #11403804 - 11/07/09 12:46 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

deranger said:

how do people enter heaven or become accepted by god and not go to hell?  is there anything they must do or say?




Most people think that if they do something, like say a "sinner's prayer", repent, get baptized, become "good", or "dedicate themselves" that this will fulfill some obligation and make themselves acceptable with God.  It is a conditional formula, however it is totally false.

Sinners have no "buying power" with God.  They can not meet a condition since they are corrupted in the deepest levels of who they are.  Only God can make someone who has no redeeming value acceptable to Himself.  God has elected from before the foundation of the world all those that will inherit salvation.  The election is not because He foresees someone having merit, sinners have no merit, period.  Despite this (sinners having no value) He saves a few to the praise of the glory of His grace.  Jesus redeemed His people from their sins, all those given to Him by the Father.


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Re: Question for all the Christians around here [Re: RationalEgo]
    #11403843 - 11/07/09 12:53 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

RationalEgo said:
Quote:

fivepointer said:
The scripture doesn't say anything about a redeemer for angles.  God is not under any obligation to show forgiveness, even though we read He is full of mercy.  Most humans are vessels of wrath fitted to be destroyed while others are vessels of mercy.  Both serve a purpose, one to demonstrate God's righteous judgment and justness, while the other demonstrates God's love.  The end of both is the glory of God.  All things exist so that God may be glorified in all that He is.





So God is apparently a celestial fascist not unlike Hitler? That is quite disturbing to think that people believe in a celestial dictatorship that one cannot even escape even after death. :omgz:



God is always perfectly just and good, it is man who is wicked and unjust.  Don't place the blame on God.


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Re: Question for all the Christians around here [Re: Band of Gypsys]
    #11403860 - 11/07/09 12:55 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Band of Gypsys said:
Quote:

fivepointer said:
God is not under any obligation to show forgiveness, even though we read He is full of mercy.




In the full of mercy clause, subsection 2 of the angels contract clearly states that God is under no obligation to show forgiveness.




epic lulz


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Re: Question for all the Christians around here [Re: fivepointer]
    #11403865 - 11/07/09 12:56 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I heard that god got into the porn business lately... he's having gay orgies with Jesus and Allah and all the little angels. :gay:

How does that make you feel, fivepointer? :strokebeard:


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Re: Question for all the Christians around here [Re: fivepointer]
    #11403888 - 11/07/09 01:00 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

fivepointer said:
Quote:

deranger said:

how do people enter heaven or become accepted by god and not go to hell?  is there anything they must do or say?




Most people think that if they do something, like say a "sinner's prayer", repent, get baptized, become "good", or "dedicate themselves" that this will fulfill some obligation and make themselves acceptable with God.  It is a conditional formula, however it is totally false.

Sinners have no "buying power" with God.  They can not meet a condition since they are corrupted in the deepest levels of who they are.  Only God can make someone who has no redeeming value acceptable to Himself.  God has elected from before the foundation of the world all those that will inherit salvation.  The election is not because He foresees someone having merit, sinners have no merit, period.  Despite this (sinners having no value) He saves a few to the praise of the glory of His grace.  Jesus redeemed His people from their sins, all those given to Him by the Father.




i recall in a debate we had a while back where you said all babies who die go to hell because they cannot accept jesus as lord and savior, or however that saying goes.  since babies cannot talk nor consciously accept any such thing, you stated they burn in hell for eternity.  do you still believe this to be true?


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