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I'm concerned if I accidently picked galerinas. w/ pics
    #11399804 - 11/06/09 07:09 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I've picked maybe 150 cyans two weeks ago and they are all dried and jarred up now. I made sure when picking, to pick the ones with white stems and caramel wavy caps, and noticed the blue bruising on most of them (I say most because I did not hand look at every single one).

I've seen tan colored stemmed mushrooms before, but not near my cyan picks. I ate some of my dried cyans and tripped this past Tuesday, and am fine. But I can't help but still be very worried, what if I slipped a Galerina in my bag? There is no way I can go on another trip without worrying that I might have consumed something deadly.

How often does a person find Galerina near cyans?

Can anyone offer some relief.

Thanks.

EDIT:

My biggest concern is, did I get trigger happy and possibly pick some deadlies within my cyans?
I have no reason to believe that what I picked was deadly. I'm pretty sure I was safe. I never felt worried about my pickings, but just recently thought.. what if..?

Hmmm. I'm currently taking some pictures to help with my question. Also the patches I picked include; douglas fir in dirt/soil and in a woodchip bed around shrubbery.

Most of the original gather.



The six bottom pictures:
1-2: are habitat shots
3: is my jar of my pick plus from that location plus other places.
4-5: is a suspicious looking guy. blue bruising? not sure. I have a couple of these in my jar (but it's hard to say they are different from the others)
6: a small cluster, and general grouping of what is in my jar.

thanks everyone.

here is a picture of dried Galerinas i found online:


these look really brown. all of mine have a white stem still, even though they are dried.


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Re: How often do Galerinas fruit next to cyans? Am I safe? [Re: watts]
    #11399816 - 11/06/09 07:10 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

that's why I love hunting Cubensis no mistaking them for anything else,and putting your life at danger:grin:


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Re: How often do Galerinas fruit next to cyans? Am I safe? [Re: KBG1977]
    #11399849 - 11/06/09 07:15 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

In my opinion you should learn the basic characteristics of many cyan look a likes before going into the field, check for bluing, and when in doubt throw 'em out!

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Re: How often do Galerinas fruit next to cyans? Am I safe? [Re: watts]
    #11399894 - 11/06/09 07:23 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Personally I've never seen them growing together.

Be careful though and don't believe everything you read on the internet because Galerina don't always have brown stems.  As a matter of fact 90% of the ones I find have pure white stems just like a Psilocybe.


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Re: How often do Galerinas fruit next to cyans? Am I safe? [Re: watts]
    #11399911 - 11/06/09 07:25 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

A quote from a post mj shroomer made on some other forum, makes me feel a little safer. When I picked these I knew that white stems are always a good sign, as well as bruising blue. What if there was a single Galerina in a cluster of cyans that I hordish-ly clipped and bagged? who knows.

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Cyans have pure whit solid stems which bruise blue and no visible annulus or veil (ring) on the stem, even naturally they bruise blue while growing depending in falling objects such as leaves, people kicking them as they walk through a patch without knowing about them, rain and wind and cold all bring bluing about,.

Galerina's and deadly Conocybe species have ochrceous-orange to orange brown to cinnamon buff stems with a ring, sometimes white and sometimes orange-brown to cinnamon. And they never stain blue.

Both have wavy caps but the white stems distinguish Psilocybe cyanescens formthat of the deadly look-a-likes.

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The ones I picked never had a ring, and always had a white stem, and often had blueish-black damage spots on the stem and/or cap.


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Re: How often do Galerinas fruit next to cyans? Am I safe? [Re: shroom360]
    #11399921 - 11/06/09 07:27 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Well, the problem is that theoretically they do. Both Psilocybe cyanescens and Galerina marginata decompose wood. And I have seen pics of them fruiting right next to each other.


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Re: How often do Galerinas fruit next to cyans? Am I safe? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #11399981 - 11/06/09 07:36 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah,I saw some pics too of them both on the same log.


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Re: How often do Galerinas fruit next to cyans? Am I safe? [Re: watts]
    #11400056 - 11/06/09 07:50 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

EDIT: this post was moved to the first post.


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Re: How often do Galerinas fruit next to cyans? Am I safe? [Re: watts]
    #11400813 - 11/06/09 10:34 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

You're probably fine, just make sure you inspect every single mushroom next time. You can usually see bluing on the dried mushrooms, you could go through and check. I've never seen galerinas growing near cyans but that doesn't mean it can't happen.


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Re: I'm concerned if I accidently picked galerinas. w/ pics [Re: watts]
    #11400859 - 11/06/09 10:42 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Go through the dried mushrooms and pay close attention to the color of the gills.  Look for some that turn orange-brown instead of dark purple brown.


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Re: I'm concerned if I accidently picked galerinas. w/ pics [Re: Apple Drump]
    #11400943 - 11/06/09 11:00 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Alan, how orange do you mean? Perhaps you could redirect me to some photo, doesn't have to be a mushroom shot, with your orange-brown description.

all in all I'm feeling more and more safe about my picks.

Here are two different kinds of gills I'm seeing through my dried pickings.

The one on the left is lighter and gills are present. Chocolate brown?
The one on the right has mashed gills, but are darker than the others. (I've seen a couple of my dried mushrooms with gills like this). Perhaps from damage?

edit: the lighting in my room is amber/yellow/orange. so my pictures has a slight tint.


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Re: I'm concerned if I accidently picked galerinas. w/ pics [Re: watts]
    #11401105 - 11/06/09 11:38 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I like to go through all of my mushrooms after a haul and pinch off the cap from the stem for two reasons: to make sure it's not a look-a-like, because I'd probably notice it while I'm handling it indoors, where I don't have to frantically look up, and down paths, and also so that I can allow them to drop all their spores for future spreading. Then I usually clean them off so as to eliminate some of the dirt that often plagues my teeth after a good feast :thumbup:


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Re: I'm concerned if I accidently picked galerinas. w/ pics [Re: Mr Cyan]
    #11401163 - 11/06/09 11:51 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Dried galerinas should be oranger than dried psilocybes. That being said, they do grow in the same habitats, and they can be freakishly similar in their morphology. Galerinas can bruise black, so be careful.  If you are not sure, then pick out all the mushrooms with silver blue coloration and pitch the rest. For sure throw out anything which looks organish against the pile.


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Re: I'm concerned if I accidently picked galerinas. w/ pics [Re: watts]
    #11401168 - 11/06/09 11:51 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

edit: Thanks Anast!

I should also mention that the places/patches i've picked these from are now mostly gone, and i have reason to believe other people were the cause of that. so I feel safer yet..


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Re: I'm concerned if I accidently picked galerinas. w/ pics [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #11401217 - 11/07/09 12:03 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Alan Rockefeller said:
Go through the dried mushrooms and pay close attention to the color of the gills.  Look for some that turn orange-brown instead of dark purple brown.




qft:

they are often harder to tell apart when dry, especially if the cyans hadn't sporulated heavily.

if there is any concern of galerinas, it is not the time to be frugal. purple in the gills is your friend.


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Re: I'm concerned if I accidently picked galerinas. w/ pics [Re: canid]
    #11401340 - 11/07/09 12:28 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I looked through a few more. I picked out what I consider orange gilled ones and purple gilled ones.

A. is my idea of orange gilled
B. is my idea of purple gilled.

I have a fair ammount of both of these dried mushrooms.



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Re: I'm concerned if I accidently picked galerinas. w/ pics [Re: watts]
    #11401403 - 11/07/09 12:37 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

A appears to be immature Psilocybe cyanescens.  The gills are not purple because the spores are not fully developed.  Galerina will turn orange as they become more well developed, while cyans are more orange when they are younger.

Always try to factor in the age of the mushroom when you are judging the spore color by looking at the gill color.


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Re: I'm concerned if I accidently picked galerinas. w/ pics [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #11401538 - 11/07/09 01:02 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

i've picked from patchs with both galerinas and cyans, you've got to have your witts about you!

when you get home and clean em up, always remeber to look for the blue "halo" around the rim of the caps on questionable ones, pretty much all cyans will at least show bluing there by the time you get home.


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Re: I'm concerned if I accidently picked galerinas. w/ pics [Re: Topcorn]
    #11401675 - 11/07/09 01:23 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Ok. Mushrooms in B are some examples of the most mature ones I have. I have maybe 50% of those and 50% of the smaller, orange gilled, young cyans.

It seems now that any dried mushroom I have that has orange or light brown gills could either be a galerina or an immature cyan.

I mean are galerinas really that mistakable? I was pretty confident when picking. perhaps too confident! ahhhww i hate this, i am my own worst enemy.

at least its safe to say that any with dark purple gills are good :thumbup:


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Re: I'm concerned if I accidently picked galerinas. w/ pics [Re: watts]
    #11402888 - 11/07/09 09:12 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I totally understand your concerns about a possible mix-up, but -without wanting to really ID them (appears to be too dangerous)- for me, they look just like Ps. cyanescens.

Another thing is, that -for the next time- you shouldn't pick them, when they're so young. I understand you're enthusiasm about finding Cyans, but in the end, you have about the same result (concerning tripping), but you decrease the chance for millions of spores to found new patches.


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