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Can PCing cause grains to stick together?
    #11396938 - 11/06/09 10:22 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

After preparing grains (hard wheat berries) to the letter of the RR soak and simmer tek, the PC'd jars (90 minutes at 15psi) seem very clumped together to me, but the leftover grains in a ziploc that didn't get PC'd seem very UN clumpy.  They move around really nicely and seem to have textbook perfect moisture content.

What did I do wrong?  Are my jars hosed?  (MS LC inoculation, 5 cc per jar)


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Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: gornyhuy]
    #11396963 - 11/06/09 10:26 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

PS: 
-used plenty of gypsum
-rinsed the slimy sticky feeling off after simmer
-shook them dry in colander to release moisture and steam
-did NOT spread them out and air dry them before loading
-did take them out while still hot and give a good shake to distribute moisture.  Even at that time, they seemed very clumped together, like one big clump that moves as one when I shake the jar.
-no standing water or anything like that in jars
-leftover grains in ziplock got exactly the same treatment as those in PC'd jars (except no PC)

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Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: gornyhuy]
    #11397102 - 11/06/09 10:51 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

you soaked too long and some grains burst and the starches are sticky so your getting clumping.

24 hours is not a set time for soaking, I have done 24hr soak with and with out this happening.

try a shorter soak time like 12-18hrs.  if you soak in hotwater you can soak for a shorter time.  cold water takes longer to soak for some reason.  :super:


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Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11397108 - 11/06/09 10:52 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Yep. Or boil less if you soak longer.

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the letter of the RR soak and simmer tek



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-rinsed the slimy sticky feeling off after simmer



That's not in the short version of the video. Does he tell you to do that on the DVD?


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Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: Doc_T]
    #11397126 - 11/06/09 10:53 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

yeah that to,
I only heat the water after the soak just hot enough so that I can steam dry the grains in my strainers then load for PCing. :sun:


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Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: Doc_T]
    #11397691 - 11/06/09 12:14 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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the letter of the RR soak and simmer tek



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-rinsed the slimy sticky feeling off after simmer



That's not in the short version of the video. Does he tell you to do that on the DVD?




Okay, admittedly it was NOT to the letter of RR's tek, because the grains seemed sticky/slimy coming out of the simmer, I did the rinse recommended here: http://www.shroomery.org/9030/Docs-Wild-Bird-Seed-Tek as a final rinse.  Didn't think it would matter much as they were coming right out of water anyway.

So, should I scrap these jars and try again, or just let 'em colonize?


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Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: gornyhuy]
    #11397746 - 11/06/09 12:20 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I would not scrap, they will just be a little hard to get the shit out of the glass.

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Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: thedoc8]
    #11397842 - 11/06/09 12:33 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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I would not scrap, they will just be a little hard to get the shit out of the glass.





Will colonization times be significantly slowed?  I have a big bag of dry wheat berries sitting here and no more jars, so if an extra day or two of work now will save me 2 weeks of colonization time, I'll take it.


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Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: gornyhuy]
    #11397870 - 11/06/09 12:36 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Just throw a few pinches of gypsum in your jars and it wont stick so much


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Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: gornyhuy]
    #11397934 - 11/06/09 12:44 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Screw it, I'm going to Kmart, picking up more jars, and doing a second batch (but doing it RIGHT) and then I'll have direct experimental knowledge of how much grain stickiness effects colonization time PLUS I'll have extra goodness ready to rock eventually.


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Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: gornyhuy]
    #11398052 - 11/06/09 12:59 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Screw it, I'm going to Kmart, picking up more jars, and doing a second batch (but doing it RIGHT) and then I'll have direct experimental knowledge of how much grain stickiness effects colonization time PLUS I'll have extra goodness ready to rock eventually.




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Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11398217 - 11/06/09 01:22 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: gornyhuy]
    #11398808 - 11/06/09 02:37 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Got some of those screw on storage lids too... Maybe I'll make some filter top lids.

I need to get one of those big ass syringes you are showing there.


What is the word on how much LC to inject in grain jars these days?
I did about 3-4cc's per pint on the last batch. Is that too high, too low? How do you compensate for increased water levels from the LC innoc?


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Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: gornyhuy]
    #11398842 - 11/06/09 02:42 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Get a turkey flavor injector. They are massive, and only cost like $4 at walmart.

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Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11398891 - 11/06/09 02:47 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

stickiness is no big deal man as long as it breaks in small clumps when you rotate / disturb the jar its all good

if it really bothers you switch to popcorn ... much harder to bust kernels ... rye berries as well but they too damn expensive for me

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Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: gornyhuy]
    #11398908 - 11/06/09 02:50 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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After preparing grains (hard wheat berries) to the letter of the RR soak and simmer tek, the PC'd jars (90 minutes at 15psi) seem very clumped together to me, but the leftover grains in a ziploc that didn't get PC'd seem very UN clumpy.  They move around really nicely and seem to have textbook perfect moisture content.

What did I do wrong?  Are my jars hosed?  (MS LC inoculation, 5 cc per jar)




Try hitting the jars against a surface that won't break them. I use my computer jar to do it. I would think that if you treat it like a colonized jar that is all stuck together it would break up the same. Good call on preparing more, trial and error will never treat you wrong in the end. Plus this way, you will have double the spawn and chances of success.

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Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: daytripper05]
    #11399188 - 11/06/09 03:25 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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I need to get one of those big ass syringes you are showing there.


What is the word on how much LC to inject in grain jars these days?
I did about 3-4cc's per pint on the last batch. Is that too high, too low? How do you compensate for increased water levels from the LC innoc?




I get my 60cc/ml syringes at TSC (tracter supply co.) for like $2.00, they have various sizes of syringes and needles.

I use 2-3cc of LC so your good.     
I never had a prob with xtra moisture from LCs.:stoned:


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Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11399352 - 11/06/09 03:50 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Cool... thanks!


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Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: daytripper05]
    #11399355 - 11/06/09 03:50 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Try hitting the jars against a surface that won't break them. I use my computer jar to do it. I would think that if you treat it like a colonized jar that is all stuck together it would break up the same.




I beat the crap out of them but only into the palm of my hand, they barely separated at all.  Just one big friggin clump.


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Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: gornyhuy]
    #11399366 - 11/06/09 03:52 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

to wet then  or not rinced well enough.


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