Home | Community | Message Board


Everything Mushrooms
Please support our sponsors.

Mushrooms, Mycology and Psychedelics >> Mushroom Cultivation

Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Amazon Shop: ½ Pint Jars, Gypsum, Rye Grain

Jump to first unread post. Pages: 1 | 2 | Next >  [ show all ]
Offlinegornyhuy
A Myth Intrepidly Met
Male User Gallery


Registered: 08/04/09
Posts: 2,924
Loc: USA Flag
Last seen: 2 days, 13 hours
Can PCing cause grains to stick together?
    #11396938 - 11/06/09 12:22 PM (8 years, 15 days ago)

After preparing grains (hard wheat berries) to the letter of the RR soak and simmer tek, the PC'd jars (90 minutes at 15psi) seem very clumped together to me, but the leftover grains in a ziploc that didn't get PC'd seem very UN clumpy.  They move around really nicely and seem to have textbook perfect moisture content.

What did I do wrong?  Are my jars hosed?  (MS LC inoculation, 5 cc per jar)


--------------------
:mushroom2:Bulk Grow Substrate Calculator Spreadsheet - Download :heartpump: Thread:mushroom2:
*Downloaded over 3,000 times!* Also try the DMT Changa Mix Calculator

Stonesun's Amazing Sclerotia/Stones Guide:mushroom2:Vasodilator List:mushroom2:Niacinamide - reduce trip anxiety



Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinegornyhuy
A Myth Intrepidly Met
Male User Gallery


Registered: 08/04/09
Posts: 2,924
Loc: USA Flag
Last seen: 2 days, 13 hours
Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: gornyhuy]
    #11396963 - 11/06/09 12:26 PM (8 years, 15 days ago)

PS: 
-used plenty of gypsum
-rinsed the slimy sticky feeling off after simmer
-shook them dry in colander to release moisture and steam
-did NOT spread them out and air dry them before loading
-did take them out while still hot and give a good shake to distribute moisture.  Even at that time, they seemed very clumped together, like one big clump that moves as one when I shake the jar.
-no standing water or anything like that in jars
-leftover grains in ziplock got exactly the same treatment as those in PC'd jars (except no PC)


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisible13shroomsM
Lightning Shaman
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 01/01/09
Posts: 25,625
Loc: IN ETHERS TORSION FIELD
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: gornyhuy]
    #11397102 - 11/06/09 12:51 PM (8 years, 15 days ago)

you soaked too long and some grains burst and the starches are sticky so your getting clumping.

24 hours is not a set time for soaking, I have done 24hr soak with and with out this happening.

try a shorter soak time like 12-18hrs.  if you soak in hotwater you can soak for a shorter time.  cold water takes longer to soak for some reason.  :super:


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleDoc_T
Random Dude
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/06/09
Posts: 42,395
Loc: Colorado Flag
Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11397108 - 11/06/09 12:52 PM (8 years, 15 days ago)

Yep. Or boil less if you soak longer.

Edit-
Quote:

gornyhuy said:
the letter of the RR soak and simmer tek



Quote:

gornyhuy said:
-rinsed the slimy sticky feeling off after simmer



That's not in the short version of the video. Does he tell you to do that on the DVD?


--------------------
You make it all possible. Doesn't it feel good?


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisible13shroomsM
Lightning Shaman
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 01/01/09
Posts: 25,625
Loc: IN ETHERS TORSION FIELD
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: Doc_T]
    #11397126 - 11/06/09 12:53 PM (8 years, 15 days ago)

yeah that to,
I only heat the water after the soak just hot enough so that I can steam dry the grains in my strainers then load for PCing. :sun:


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinegornyhuy
A Myth Intrepidly Met
Male User Gallery


Registered: 08/04/09
Posts: 2,924
Loc: USA Flag
Last seen: 2 days, 13 hours
Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: Doc_T]
    #11397691 - 11/06/09 02:14 PM (8 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

Doc_T said:

Quote:

gornyhuy said:
the letter of the RR soak and simmer tek



Quote:

gornyhuy said:
-rinsed the slimy sticky feeling off after simmer



That's not in the short version of the video. Does he tell you to do that on the DVD?




Okay, admittedly it was NOT to the letter of RR's tek, because the grains seemed sticky/slimy coming out of the simmer, I did the rinse recommended here: http://www.shroomery.org/9030/Docs-Wild-Bird-Seed-Tek as a final rinse.  Didn't think it would matter much as they were coming right out of water anyway.

So, should I scrap these jars and try again, or just let 'em colonize?


--------------------
:mushroom2:Bulk Grow Substrate Calculator Spreadsheet - Download :heartpump: Thread:mushroom2:
*Downloaded over 3,000 times!* Also try the DMT Changa Mix Calculator

Stonesun's Amazing Sclerotia/Stones Guide:mushroom2:Vasodilator List:mushroom2:Niacinamide - reduce trip anxiety



Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinethedoc8
TooMuch
 User Gallery

Registered: 05/18/07
Posts: 442
Last seen: 5 years, 22 days
Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: gornyhuy]
    #11397746 - 11/06/09 02:20 PM (8 years, 15 days ago)

I would not scrap, they will just be a little hard to get the shit out of the glass.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinegornyhuy
A Myth Intrepidly Met
Male User Gallery


Registered: 08/04/09
Posts: 2,924
Loc: USA Flag
Last seen: 2 days, 13 hours
Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: thedoc8]
    #11397842 - 11/06/09 02:33 PM (8 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

thedoc8 said:
I would not scrap, they will just be a little hard to get the shit out of the glass.





Will colonization times be significantly slowed?  I have a big bag of dry wheat berries sitting here and no more jars, so if an extra day or two of work now will save me 2 weeks of colonization time, I'll take it.


--------------------
:mushroom2:Bulk Grow Substrate Calculator Spreadsheet - Download :heartpump: Thread:mushroom2:
*Downloaded over 3,000 times!* Also try the DMT Changa Mix Calculator

Stonesun's Amazing Sclerotia/Stones Guide:mushroom2:Vasodilator List:mushroom2:Niacinamide - reduce trip anxiety



Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineBoris
Viking Warrior, of Valour
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 08/29/08
Posts: 2,225
Loc: TX. Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 12 days
Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: gornyhuy]
    #11397870 - 11/06/09 02:36 PM (8 years, 15 days ago)

Just throw a few pinches of gypsum in your jars and it wont stick so much


--------------------
AMU

Terence McKenna Said:
"We have to create culture, don't watch TV, don't read magazines, don't even listen to NPR. Create your own roadshow. The nexus of space and time where you are now is the most immediate sector of your universe, and if you're worrying about Michael Jackson or Bill Clinton or somebody else, then you are disempowered, you're giving it all away to icons, icons which are maintained by an electronic media so that you want to dress like X or have lips like Y. This is shit-brained, this kind of thinking. That is all cultural diversion, and what is real is you and your friends and your associations, your highs, your orgasms, your hopes, your plans, your fears. And we are told 'no', we're unimportant, we're peripheral. 'Get a degree, get a job, get a this, get a that.' And then you're a player, you don't want to even play in that game. You want to reclaim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers who want to turn you into a half-baked moron consuming all this trash that's being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world."


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinegornyhuy
A Myth Intrepidly Met
Male User Gallery


Registered: 08/04/09
Posts: 2,924
Loc: USA Flag
Last seen: 2 days, 13 hours
Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: gornyhuy]
    #11397934 - 11/06/09 02:44 PM (8 years, 15 days ago)

Screw it, I'm going to Kmart, picking up more jars, and doing a second batch (but doing it RIGHT) and then I'll have direct experimental knowledge of how much grain stickiness effects colonization time PLUS I'll have extra goodness ready to rock eventually.


--------------------
:mushroom2:Bulk Grow Substrate Calculator Spreadsheet - Download :heartpump: Thread:mushroom2:
*Downloaded over 3,000 times!* Also try the DMT Changa Mix Calculator

Stonesun's Amazing Sclerotia/Stones Guide:mushroom2:Vasodilator List:mushroom2:Niacinamide - reduce trip anxiety



Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisible13shroomsM
Lightning Shaman
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 01/01/09
Posts: 25,625
Loc: IN ETHERS TORSION FIELD
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: gornyhuy]
    #11398052 - 11/06/09 02:59 PM (8 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

gornyhuy said:
Screw it, I'm going to Kmart, picking up more jars, and doing a second batch (but doing it RIGHT) and then I'll have direct experimental knowledge of how much grain stickiness effects colonization time PLUS I'll have extra goodness ready to rock eventually.




:headbang3:



the more the merrier. :sun:


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleDoc_T
Random Dude
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/06/09
Posts: 42,395
Loc: Colorado Flag
Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11398217 - 11/06/09 03:22 PM (8 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

13shrooms said:
:headbang3: the more the merrier.




:thumbup:


--------------------
You make it all possible. Doesn't it feel good?


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinegornyhuy
A Myth Intrepidly Met
Male User Gallery


Registered: 08/04/09
Posts: 2,924
Loc: USA Flag
Last seen: 2 days, 13 hours
Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: gornyhuy]
    #11398808 - 11/06/09 04:37 PM (8 years, 15 days ago)

Got some of those screw on storage lids too... Maybe I'll make some filter top lids.

I need to get one of those big ass syringes you are showing there.


What is the word on how much LC to inject in grain jars these days?
I did about 3-4cc's per pint on the last batch. Is that too high, too low? How do you compensate for increased water levels from the LC innoc?


--------------------
:mushroom2:Bulk Grow Substrate Calculator Spreadsheet - Download :heartpump: Thread:mushroom2:
*Downloaded over 3,000 times!* Also try the DMT Changa Mix Calculator

Stonesun's Amazing Sclerotia/Stones Guide:mushroom2:Vasodilator List:mushroom2:Niacinamide - reduce trip anxiety



Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisibledaytripper05
Psychonaut
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 10/31/06
Posts: 6,962
Loc: In my garden
Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: gornyhuy]
    #11398842 - 11/06/09 04:42 PM (8 years, 15 days ago)

Get a turkey flavor injector. They are massive, and only cost like $4 at walmart.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisiblecyantific
Trusted Masturbator


Registered: 10/11/09
Posts: 1,323
Loc: Shakashuri Island
Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11398891 - 11/06/09 04:47 PM (8 years, 15 days ago)

stickiness is no big deal man as long as it breaks in small clumps when you rotate / disturb the jar its all good

if it really bothers you switch to popcorn ... much harder to bust kernels ... rye berries as well but they too damn expensive for me


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisibledaytripper05
Psychonaut
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 10/31/06
Posts: 6,962
Loc: In my garden
Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: gornyhuy]
    #11398908 - 11/06/09 04:50 PM (8 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

gornyhuy said:
After preparing grains (hard wheat berries) to the letter of the RR soak and simmer tek, the PC'd jars (90 minutes at 15psi) seem very clumped together to me, but the leftover grains in a ziploc that didn't get PC'd seem very UN clumpy.  They move around really nicely and seem to have textbook perfect moisture content.

What did I do wrong?  Are my jars hosed?  (MS LC inoculation, 5 cc per jar)




Try hitting the jars against a surface that won't break them. I use my computer jar to do it. I would think that if you treat it like a colonized jar that is all stuck together it would break up the same. Good call on preparing more, trial and error will never treat you wrong in the end. Plus this way, you will have double the spawn and chances of success.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisible13shroomsM
Lightning Shaman
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 01/01/09
Posts: 25,625
Loc: IN ETHERS TORSION FIELD
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: daytripper05]
    #11399188 - 11/06/09 05:25 PM (8 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

I need to get one of those big ass syringes you are showing there.


What is the word on how much LC to inject in grain jars these days?
I did about 3-4cc's per pint on the last batch. Is that too high, too low? How do you compensate for increased water levels from the LC innoc?




I get my 60cc/ml syringes at TSC (tracter supply co.) for like $2.00, they have various sizes of syringes and needles.

I use 2-3cc of LC so your good.     
I never had a prob with xtra moisture from LCs.:stoned:


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinegornyhuy
A Myth Intrepidly Met
Male User Gallery


Registered: 08/04/09
Posts: 2,924
Loc: USA Flag
Last seen: 2 days, 13 hours
Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11399352 - 11/06/09 05:50 PM (8 years, 15 days ago)

Cool... thanks!


--------------------
:mushroom2:Bulk Grow Substrate Calculator Spreadsheet - Download :heartpump: Thread:mushroom2:
*Downloaded over 3,000 times!* Also try the DMT Changa Mix Calculator

Stonesun's Amazing Sclerotia/Stones Guide:mushroom2:Vasodilator List:mushroom2:Niacinamide - reduce trip anxiety



Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinegornyhuy
A Myth Intrepidly Met
Male User Gallery


Registered: 08/04/09
Posts: 2,924
Loc: USA Flag
Last seen: 2 days, 13 hours
Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: daytripper05]
    #11399355 - 11/06/09 05:50 PM (8 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

daytripper05 said:
Try hitting the jars against a surface that won't break them. I use my computer jar to do it. I would think that if you treat it like a colonized jar that is all stuck together it would break up the same.




I beat the crap out of them but only into the palm of my hand, they barely separated at all.  Just one big friggin clump.


--------------------
:mushroom2:Bulk Grow Substrate Calculator Spreadsheet - Download :heartpump: Thread:mushroom2:
*Downloaded over 3,000 times!* Also try the DMT Changa Mix Calculator

Stonesun's Amazing Sclerotia/Stones Guide:mushroom2:Vasodilator List:mushroom2:Niacinamide - reduce trip anxiety



Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisiblefeelfunny
I am you
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/11/09
Posts: 8,747
Loc: South
Re: Can PCing cause grains to stick together? [Re: gornyhuy]
    #11399366 - 11/06/09 05:52 PM (8 years, 15 days ago)

to wet then  or not rinced well enough.


--------------------
IF A CAT AND DOG CAN GET ALONG WHY CANT EVERYONE ELSE?
If the sky is falling, don't look up!  :abduction:

Feel Family Founder. :pm: me if you are tired of hearing, "Use the search function".


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Jump to top. Pages: 1 | 2 | Next >  [ show all ]

Amazon Shop: ½ Pint Jars, Gypsum, Rye Grain

Mushrooms, Mycology and Psychedelics >> Mushroom Cultivation

Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Grain sticks help please? :( socratesmind 743 8 01/19/03 07:21 PM
by Anonymous
* How do these look in terms of moisture? And what to do about grains sticking to the sides... VisionsToReality 913 12 10/16/07 09:10 PM
by VisionsToReality
* PCing Grain... Sideways? Nirvhead 533 3 02/08/03 10:31 PM
by Nirvhead
* WBS/GRAIN, a simple test, BEFORE you load jars & PC.
( 1 2 all )
agar 13,076 35 10/29/15 04:45 PM
by Joe_C
* Problem after PCing Tweexican 607 5 12/11/06 04:47 PM
by Blutjager
* Im thinking about skipping the grain (?) Chemical_Smile 739 9 05/16/03 05:48 PM
by Shdwstr
* innoculating rye grain myco bags futura 1,202 11 04/11/09 11:04 AM
by NeuroticTrip
* Can't Find Gypsum or Bulk Grain
( 1 2 all )
Robo Shaman 3,285 34 10/31/07 11:03 AM
by Vegan

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Roadkill, Magash, Shroomism, george castanza, RogerRabbit, Citric, total, FooMan, 13shrooms, stonesun, cronicr, PussyFart, Tmethyl, Pastywhyte, bodhisatta
1,230 topic views. 14 members, 55 guests and 23 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Toggle Favorite | Print Topic | Stats ]
Search this thread:

Please support our sponsors.

Copyright 1997-2017 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.042 seconds spending 0.005 seconds on 21 queries.