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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Chronic7]
    #11397577 - 11/06/09 11:59 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Chronic777 said:
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Icelander said:

In the mean time. If said god exists how do you know it isn't a hindu god or the god of the koran? How would one know that the christian god is the only true god and that the bible is gods word?




Your adressing someone else, but in my experience of God-realization its experiencing the same thing all the religions talk about, love, bliss, light, awareness, formlessness, etc...

To say theres more than one God is to say theres more than one ultimate reality
If someone says 'the christian God is real, Allah is fake' they have not realized God!
They are a fundmentalist christian, attached to a beleif system





I agree completely with chronic. I have expiereinced what I assume Jesus ment by god. The thing about christianity is that the Gnostic teachings were removed from the bible in order to mske it into a tool of political control.

If you look at Nietzsche's quotes and Jesus's Gnostic quotes you can find similarties

"For all things have been baptized in the well of eternity and are beyond good and evil"- Nietzsche

"It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying 'Here it is' or 'There it is.' Rather, the Kingdom of the Father is spread out upon the earth, and men do not see it." - Jesus

Notice the similarities?

The abyss and the kingdom of heaven are the same thing. The difference between Nietzsche is that he realized that living in the abyss was probably not to healthy. He began calling himself the antichrist the same time others began calling him the little saint.

I also think Jesus got a few things wrong

It is true, there could be a metaphysical world; the absolute possibility of it is hardly to be disputed. We behold all things through the human head and cannot cut off this head; while the question nonetheless remains what of the world would still be there if one had cut it off. -- Nietzsche's Human, All Too Human

To find everything profound - that is an inconvenient trait. It makes one strain one's eyes all the time, and in the end one finds more than one might have wished. - Neitzche.

Thus you establish the over man. Abyss and self become one.


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"Change my mind so much I can't even trust it. My mind changes me so much I can't even trust myself."

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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Realized]
    #11397589 - 11/06/09 12:00 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting shit.:thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11397610 - 11/06/09 12:04 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Life Upon Death said:
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Band of Gypsys said:
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Life Upon Death said:
I'd like a logical solution for this problem

if not then it stands as logical evidence for the existence of God




Wikipedia has a whole section of evidence against this. You should read the whole page.




I have read the whole page(which is why I provided the link, so you could check it for yourself)

I don't believe what is stated in other areas and I don't care what others have thought

I would like a logical explanation for our existence without the existence of an Eternal being not composed of matter

that page does not supply this






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Sorry, Ive been listing to a lot of nine inch nails lately.... I had to do it.


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“The person lives most beautifully who does not reflect upon existence” - Friedrich Nietzsche

"Change my mind so much I can't even trust it. My mind changes me so much I can't even trust myself."

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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Realized]
    #11397614 - 11/06/09 12:04 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Icelander said:
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deranger said:
god damn god
threads like these make me go :facepalm:
fivepointer's threads are more entertaining




He's a hoot too.:lol: Totally convinced he knows the real truth also.



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Realized said:
Quote:

Chronic777 said:
Quote:

Icelander said:

In the mean time. If said god exists how do you know it isn't a hindu god or the god of the koran? How would one know that the christian god is the only true god and that the bible is gods word?




Your adressing someone else, but in my experience of God-realization its experiencing the same thing all the religions talk about, love, bliss, light, awareness, formlessness, etc...

To say theres more than one God is to say theres more than one ultimate reality
If someone says 'the christian God is real, Allah is fake' they have not realized God!
They are a fundmentalist christian, attached to a beleif system





I agree completely with chronic. I have expiereinced what I assume Jesus ment by god. The thing about christianity is that the Gnostic teachings were removed from the bible in order to mske it into a tool of political control.

If you look at Nietzsche's quotes and Jesus's Gnostic quotes you can find similarties

"For all things have been baptized in the well of eternity and are beyond good and evil"- Nietzsche

"It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying 'Here it is' or 'There it is.' Rather, the Kingdom of the Father is spread out upon the earth, and men do not see it." - Jesus

Notice the similarities?

The abyss and the kingdom of heaven are the same thing. The difference between Nietzsche is that he realized that living in the abyss was probably not to healthy. He began calling himself the antichrist the same time others began calling him the little saint.

I also think Jesus got a few things wrong

It is true, there could be a metaphysical world; the absolute possibility of it is hardly to be disputed. We behold all things through the human head and cannot cut off this head; while the question nonetheless remains what of the world would still be there if one had cut it off. -- Nietzsche's Human, All Too Human

To find everything profound - that is an inconvenient trait. It makes one strain one's eyes all the time, and in the end one finds more than one might have wished. - Neitzche.

Thus you establish the over man. Abyss and self become one.




evidence that Gnostic books were removed? books were removed that shouldn't have been including the book of Enoch which is actually quoted in the new testament

there are also fake Gnostic texts that get lumped into the same category(Apocrypha)

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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Realized]
    #11397646 - 11/06/09 12:07 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Realized said:
Quote:

Life Upon Death said:
Quote:

Band of Gypsys said:
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Life Upon Death said:
I'd like a logical solution for this problem

if not then it stands as logical evidence for the existence of God




Wikipedia has a whole section of evidence against this. You should read the whole page.




I have read the whole page(which is why I provided the link, so you could check it for yourself)

I don't believe what is stated in other areas and I don't care what others have thought

I would like a logical explanation for our existence without the existence of an Eternal being not composed of matter

that page does not supply this






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05srUPSMuZ4

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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
    #11397648 - 11/06/09 12:07 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Icelander said:
so are you saying if you believe in god you experience bliss




If you realize God, you experience undiluted Bliss
If you beleive in God you mentally distance yourself from God

I have never beleived in any God
I find it slightly repulsive to merely beleive in a God, its blind faith
I feel its a direct experience that comes from investigating the ultimate nature of things
The nature of yourself, who you really are underneath all the veils...

Really 'God realization' is just seeing the universe is in everything
Prety obvious, but the simple things are the greatest, imo
We rarely find time to just rest with the simple things, like that we are the universe


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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Chronic7]
    #11397662 - 11/06/09 12:10 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Well i haven't realized god. no reason for belief.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
    #11397668 - 11/06/09 12:11 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Icelander said:
please show some compelling evidence of the existence of god.






:shrug:


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Our laws make law impossible; our liberties destroy all freedom; our property is organized robbery; our morality an impudent hypocrisy; our wisdom is administered by inexperienced or mal-experienced dupes; our power wielded by cowards and weaklings; and our honour false in all its points. I am an enemy of the existing order for good reasons.

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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
    #11397670 - 11/06/09 12:11 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

'You are the universe'

Do you find this agreeable or disagreeable?


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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Chronic7]
    #11397680 - 11/06/09 12:13 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Chronic777 said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
so are you saying if you believe in god you experience bliss




If you realize God, you experience undiluted Bliss
If you beleive in God you mentally distance yourself from God

I have never beleived in any God
I find it slightly repulsive to merely beleive in a God, its blind faith
I feel its a direct experience that comes from investigating the ultimate nature of things
The nature of yourself, who you really are underneath all the veils...

Really 'God realization' is just seeing the universe is in everything
Prety obvious, but the simple things are the greatest, imo
We rarely find time to just rest with the simple things, like that we are the universe




do you know what your avatar represents?






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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: LuSiD9]
    #11397685 - 11/06/09 12:13 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

LuSiD9 said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
please show some compelling evidence of the existence of god.






:shrug:





Those don't taste as good as broccoli or cauliflower.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Chronic7]
    #11397696 - 11/06/09 12:14 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Chronic777 said:
'You are the universe'

Do you find this agreeable or disagreeable?





I don't know what the universe is so I'm neutral I guess. If the universe was insane...


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11397717 - 11/06/09 12:17 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)












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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11397721 - 11/06/09 12:17 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Life Upon Death said:
Quote:

Band of Gypsys said:
Quote:

Life Upon Death said:
I'd like a logical solution for this problem

if not then it stands as logical evidence for the existence of God




Wikipedia has a whole section of evidence against this. You should read the whole page.




I have read the whole page(which is why I provided the link, so you could check it for yourself)

I don't believe what is stated in other areas and I don't care what others have thought

I would like a logical explanation for our existence without the existence of an Eternal being not composed of matter

that page does not supply this




The whole theory relies on science, that is a dead give away that it can't have anything to do with god. To say that science doesn't understand things means there must be a god is absurd. If god created man, what created god, well the only explanation would be another god created it. Leading to an infinite russian nesting doll made of tinier gods.

I do believe in a higher power sort of thing. You haven't proved there is a god. Once you you prove there is a god, you have to prove it is the christian god.


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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
    #11397724 - 11/06/09 12:17 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Whatever the universe is, it must be you aswell :shrug:


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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
    #11397736 - 11/06/09 12:19 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Quote:

LuSiD9 said:
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Icelander said:
please show some compelling evidence of the existence of god.






:shrug:





Those don't taste as good as broccoli or cauliflower.




you obviously have no idea what your talking about... do you

:nonono:


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Our laws make law impossible; our liberties destroy all freedom; our property is organized robbery; our morality an impudent hypocrisy; our wisdom is administered by inexperienced or mal-experienced dupes; our power wielded by cowards and weaklings; and our honour false in all its points. I am an enemy of the existing order for good reasons.

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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Chronic7]
    #11397738 - 11/06/09 12:19 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I agree but that doesn't mean I enjoy it or not.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11397740 - 11/06/09 12:19 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)






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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: LuSiD9]
    #11397754 - 11/06/09 12:21 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

LuSiD9 said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
Quote:

LuSiD9 said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
please show some compelling evidence of the existence of god.






:shrug:





Those don't taste as good as broccoli or cauliflower.




you obviously have no idea what your talking about... do you

:nonono:





I worked produce for five years in the third (by sales per sq. ft) best natural food store in the US.  Our produce section was amazing and huge. Nothing that wasn't organic and fresh. So I may know something.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11397755 - 11/06/09 12:21 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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do you know what your avatar represents?





Yep

Funny how the pictures youve posted show a different symbol :lol:


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