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    #11393660 - 11/05/09 10:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Decided to go without it.  Too much a hassle this time around, amidst all the many other things I had to get done within a limited time frame today.  Am I in for some serious side-pinning? perhaps a liner could be introduced leading in to the 2nd flush, when the sub has shrunk some.  What are your thoughts on these liners people?


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Re: Monotub trash-bag liner [Re: skullhuman]
    #11393688 - 11/05/09 10:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i have gone without it, it isnt that huge a deal, you likely will get some side pinning but hey, nothing wrong with it really besides harder to harvest those ones.    Just my opinion tho maybe there is more too it :confused:


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Re: Monotub trash-bag liner [Re: cdnshroom]
    #11393719 - 11/05/09 10:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hm, maybe I'll sprinkle some casing down the sides.  I'll have to cover up from the outside too, it's a (somewhat) transparent bin.

All in all, I'm not really that worried about side pinning.  I just hope it isn't going to be outrageous.


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Re: Monotub trash-bag liner [Re: skullhuman]
    #11393782 - 11/05/09 10:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You will get some side pins but it's no big deal.  Generally they'll start out on the side and make their way to the top and you'll pick them as normal.


You get some real monsters that way sometimes.





If anything, the bag makes it a little easier to clean & reuse the tub, but it's no big deal.  I use a cheap power washer to give them a quick rinse.

Then I spray with bleach, scrub rinse & dry.


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Re: Monotub trash-bag liner [Re: Spongiform]
    #11393816 - 11/05/09 10:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've read in some cases side-pinning has been just as prevalent with a bag as without.  What do you guys think?


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Re: Monotub trash-bag liner [Re: Spongiform]
    #11393843 - 11/05/09 10:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

never used a liner yet, but you will wish you had once you get a monotub that contamed, its not easy to get mold spores out/off of the plastic.  if you dont all future projects will contam and you have to buy a new tub (not that its expencive just a hassel).:stoned:

Im starting to lean towards using liners just for the ease of cleaning but I havent yet. :sun:


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Re: Monotub trash-bag liner [Re: skullhuman]
    #11393862 - 11/05/09 10:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I've read in some cases side-pinning has been just as prevalent with a bag as without.  What do you guys think?




if thats where the optimal humidity is then thats where the mushies will grow.  if the humidity is correct through out the whole tub then mushies will grow over the whole surface area.


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Re: Monotub trash-bag liner [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11393906 - 11/05/09 10:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I've read in some cases side-pinning has been just as prevalent with a bag as without.  What do you guys think?




if thats where the optimal humidity is then thats where the mushies will grow.  if the humidity is correct through out the whole tub then mushies will grow over the whole surface area.




It just seems odd that things would be optimal for side-pinning despite the bag.


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Re: Monotub trash-bag liner [Re: skullhuman]
    #11393978 - 11/05/09 10:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Fellas, I like how this has gone.  A round of 5s for all.  They're on me.


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Re: Monotub trash-bag liner [Re: skullhuman]
    #11394080 - 11/05/09 10:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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It just seems odd that things would be optimal for side-pinning despite the bag.




because when the substrate shrinks it makes a gap between the tub walls and sub  holding humidity in between and getting light from above. great pinning environment.:sun:

with the liner the bag shrinks/sticks with the sub so the gap is between the tub wall and the liner and the sub is still against the liner so no humidy or light there for pinning to happen.:stoned:

make sense :strokebeard:


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Re: Monotub trash-bag liner [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11394109 - 11/05/09 11:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Misunderstandings have occurred here.  What I'm saying is that it's strange for conditions to be optimal for side pinning when there IS a bag.

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It just seems odd that things would be optimal for side-pinning despite the bag.



with the liner the bag shrinks/sticks with the sub so the gap is between the tub wall and the liner and the sub is still against the liner so no humidy or light there for pinning to happen.:stoned:




The reason I say this comes back to this:

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skullhuman said:
I've read in some cases side-pinning has been just as prevalent with a bag as without.  What do you guys think?




if thats where the optimal humidity is then thats where the mushies will grow.  if the humidity is correct through out the whole tub then mushies will grow over the whole surface area.




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Re: Monotub trash-bag liner [Re: skullhuman]
    #11394201 - 11/05/09 11:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

if side pinning still occures with a liner then it was used just for ease of cleaning and not for anti-side pinning.  they taped the liner to the inner walls of the tub and the liner just acts as a dissposable barrier.:thumbup:

did I understand you ? that time. :shrug:

but yeah, its odd if used correctly.


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Re: Monotub trash-bag liner [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11394249 - 11/05/09 11:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It seems like everything makes good sense here now.  Thanks for the input on this, I appreciate it.

On somewhat of a side note, do you find these bags to be a hassle to lay down? I had problems cutting it to the right size, and such.  I didn't have a sharp pair of scissors or any other blade suitable for the job, so it was just too frustrating to deal with this time.


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Re: Monotub trash-bag liner [Re: skullhuman]
    #11394292 - 11/05/09 11:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yup hassle for me also, but so is the scrubbing later.  its personal choice.:stoned:


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Re: Monotub trash-bag liner [Re: skullhuman]
    #11394322 - 11/05/09 11:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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On somewhat of a side note, do you find these bags to be a hassle to lay down? I had problems cutting it to the right size, and such.  I didn't have a sharp pair of scissors or any other blade suitable for the job, so it was just too frustrating to deal with this time.




Yeah it's not the easiest thing. I lay it in the tub, uncut, and load the tub with substrate. It's easier to cut it after the substrate is in the tub.

As for side pinning, I've definitely seen a lot of it, with or without a liner. One benefit to using totally clear tubs without any liner is that you can watch the colonization better and you can also see contamination as soon as it starts on any side.


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Re: Monotub trash-bag liner [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11394358 - 11/05/09 11:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It was crazy.  It turned out to be the most tedious/annoying thing about the whole monotub prep!  Really didn't expect that.

Although, cutting it post filling with sub is a really good idea.  I'll use a proper pair of scissors for trimming plastic next time around and go that route.  Thanks for the tip freespeach.


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Re: Monotub trash-bag liner [Re: skullhuman]
    #11394819 - 11/06/09 12:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

After flushing is done, remove the bag, clean it, and use it as a pattern for cutting others out.


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Re: Monotub trash-bag liner [Re: dancefloordale]
    #11396496 - 11/06/09 10:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I loaded up my first dubtubs last night and the bag turned out to be a pain in the butt too.  It didn't fit the whole bottom of the tub, so I had to scratch it and start over.  Ended up using gorilla tape and first taping the mouth of the bag to a side and applying the bag in there sideways while splitting it with a boxcutter.  Sounds dumb and complicated but it was actually really quick and easy once I did that and loading the sub in after was much easier.


Oh and yeah, I cut a good bit away, loaded it up and leveled it, and then cut the rest.


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Re: Monotub trash-bag liner [Re: Mastermind729]
    #11397155 - 11/06/09 12:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

tape it to the sides if its a pain. im so good at it that it doesn't even bother me. its all technique.

it helps in cleanup after your tubs done. you can flip the bag inside out with sub on the inside and it doubles as a trash bag. it helps keep side pinning away and also helps the environment. it allows extra water to pool underneath it without damaging the bottom of the substrate. especially if you have tiny spots that are uncolonized. it really completes the micro environment in tubs.


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Re: Monotub trash-bag liner [Re: skullhuman]
    #13660958 - 12/20/10 03:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The liner is also used to prevent the water dripping down the side of your monotub onto your substrate or casing, I think its a pain in the ass but worth it in the long run!


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