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Pasteurize cactus soil?
    #11393256 - 11/05/09 09:04 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I'm about to start some seedlings.  I've read that cactus soil should be sterilized beforehand, but I'm wondering if the thermophiles may be of any benefit to them.  So the question is, any advantage to pasteurizing over sterilizing in this case?


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Re: Pasteurize cactus soil? [Re: skullhuman]
    #11393318 - 11/05/09 09:15 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Thermophiles will be of no use to cacti as the temperatures get no where near the climate that they live in, unless of course you are composting them. Thermophile's are a heat loving bacteria usually found in compost piles and not in potted plants.

I just put moist soil in a microwave safe bag and whack it in the microwave for a few minutes, viola!


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Re: Pasteurize cactus soil? [Re: karode13]
    #11393337 - 11/05/09 09:17 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Viola?



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Re: Pasteurize cactus soil? [Re: Big L]
    #11393353 - 11/05/09 09:20 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

It's French!  :frenchie:




Oh yeah, forgot!  :fishslap:


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Re: Pasteurize cactus soil? [Re: karode13]
    #11393408 - 11/05/09 09:29 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Thermophiles will be of no use to cacti as the temperatures get no where near the climate that they live in, unless of course you are composting them. Thermophile's are a heat loving bacteria usually found in compost piles and not in potted plants.

I just put moist soil in a microwave safe bag and whack it in the microwave for a few minutes, viola!




Well, what temperatures do they live in? my mushroom substrate doesn't get well beyond the temperatures that cacti live in, so what gives on this?


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Re: Pasteurize cactus soil? [Re: skullhuman]
    #11393465 - 11/05/09 09:37 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

^or do they just borough down in to the deep inner core of large insulated piles consisting of such materials as horse shit? and, I realize they're heat loving (given that pasteurization doesn't kill them, and also the name that essentially translates to exactly that - heat loving) but even with the extra 20 F or so my sub may be generating, is it really that far beyond the temps cacti often dwell in?

And while we're on the matter, is there any point in ever pasteurizing coir then? since it should contain no thermophiles from the get go, all this being said.


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Re: Pasteurize cactus soil? [Re: skullhuman]
    #11393631 - 11/05/09 09:57 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Well, what temperatures do they live in? my mushroom substrate doesn't get well beyond the temperatures that cacti live in, so what gives on this?





They prefer temperatures ranging from between 45 and 80 °C (113 and 176 °F). Well past the recommended temperature for growing cacti.

I don't really understand what you are worried about unless you will be trying to grow in the temperatures listed above and if you do try to do that, you will fail.

Thermophiles will only become present if you create ideal conditions that simulate decomposition and create heat. Once the heat is there the thermophiles become active and start to devour and multiply. This doesn't happen in potting soils.


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Re: Pasteurize cactus soil? [Re: karode13]
    #11393647 - 11/05/09 09:59 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I hear ya.  But now I wonder about substrates.  My bulk subs don't get to 113 F.  If they're not active unless the temps are up in that range, then how are they contributing to a substrate?


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Re: Pasteurize cactus soil? [Re: skullhuman]
    #11393833 - 11/05/09 10:25 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Hey, this issue seems key right here, anyone else with me?!


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Re: Pasteurize cactus soil? [Re: skullhuman]
    #11393895 - 11/05/09 10:33 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Thermophiles will be of no use to your cacti, if that is what you want to know.


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Re: Pasteurize cactus soil? [Re: karode13]
    #11393927 - 11/05/09 10:37 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

No, we're well past that question.  What I'm wondering about is mushroom substrate, seeing as even those don't seem to get in to the active range for thermophiles.  Maybe this ought to go to the cultivation boards? or maybe there's something on it already..


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Re: Pasteurize cactus soil? [Re: skullhuman]
    #11393990 - 11/05/09 10:46 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Well this part of the forum is about growing plants, to be more precise, ethnobotanicals not mushrooms or mushroom substrates.

You started off asking whether or not thermophilic bacteria is of any benefit for cacti. I tried answering your question and somehow it is about mushroom substrate now.





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Re: Pasteurize cactus soil? [Re: karode13]
    #11394085 - 11/05/09 10:59 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Pal, what we almost had there is called conversation, and sometimes it evolves.  I know it was getting a little off the rails of what this forum is about, but it seemed like a fairly natural progression from where we were.  It's not like the whole thing was strewn out pages long in to some completely irrelevant tangent.


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Re: Pasteurize cactus soil? [Re: skullhuman]
    #11394199 - 11/05/09 11:16 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Point taken and I appreciate the shrooms. I just thought you may of been another noob that was just going to ask one silly question after another. When I say silly I mean someone who hasn't tried themselves before coming here with a question, we have had many lately for some reason....

Back to Thermophiles. All I know in regards to them are how they are utilized in the anaerobic breakdown of sewage and garden waste, also known as compost. When it comes to mushroom substrates I wouldn't have a clue, but I doubt that these microbes are used as they operate at such high temperatures and the mushrooms that we are all interested in don't like these conditions.


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Re: Pasteurize cactus soil? [Re: skullhuman]
    #11394231 - 11/05/09 11:21 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I think the point Karode is making is (once again) this is the Ethnobotanical section. If you want to have a tangent conversation, go to the Pub. If you want to ask an Ethnobotanical question, like "Will thermophiles be beneficial to my cacti?" then you can ask here... And we can BOTH tell you, (once again) that thermophiles will be of no beneficial use to your cacti whatsoever.


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Re: Pasteurize cactus soil? [Re: karode13]
    #11394308 - 11/05/09 11:31 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I didn't aim to derail things here from an ethnobotanical focus.  It just struck me as a big deal that thermophiles might possibly not even be active in a substrate that has been prepared specifically for their presence - especially when this is the standard way of doing things!  Just got a little over-enthusiastic.

But I realize this isn't the place for it, and that things here need to stay along an ethnobotanical line.  I've started up a new thread for this talk if you either of you would like to join.  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11394187

Thanks for the responses you have given, they've helped.


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Re: Pasteurize cactus soil? [Re: skullhuman]
    #11394372 - 11/05/09 11:40 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I didn't mean to come across heavy if that's the way it was taken. This place is pretty chill and people should feel comfortable asking questions here without getting their heads bitten off. :smile:


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Re: Pasteurize cactus soil? [Re: karode13]
    #11394390 - 11/05/09 11:43 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

No worries.  And the information you did give me really was helpful.


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Re: Pasteurize cactus soil? [Re: skullhuman]
    #11394423 - 11/05/09 11:47 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF BLOODY WANKERS WHO DON'T KNOW ANYTHING AND BREAK RULES AND SUCK!!!!!

GRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!

:crankey::crankey:

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Just kidding mates, but I'd say Karode pretty much nailed it on the head that thermophiles don't play any massive if any role in cacti growth.

I have never sterilized my soil and have never had any issue yet with fungi or mold, there have been some bugs but those are usually more directly caused by poor air flow.

Pardon my random outburst, I've been in a really good mood lately and can't help but mess around on here :tongue:


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Re: Pasteurize cactus soil? [Re: Cactusdan]
    #11394438 - 11/05/09 11:50 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Do you use fungicides?


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