DanKnugget said:

i thought that they stopped producing chemicals and just produced tissue after a certain point?

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churl said:

from what i understand is psilocybin production is genetics, so what that means is that once that mushy is ready to pop spores metabolization has reached its peak, in turn all the psilocybin that could be made has been made and that would make picking a mushy right before the veil pops would  be the most potent time to pick.. its confusing im actually coming down from a long trip

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Mik said:

First off, I wana say I'm just read some posts about it in the past and its the way I treat mushrooms. I may just be talkin out my ass too.

The way I understand it, aborts are different. You cant compare those to actual growing mushrooms. In terms of letting them grow out or picking early, picking early would be the best. You'll leave more nutrients in the cakes if you do this for future flushes. The mushroom producing actives seems to have a fall-off right before the veil pops. Though there is more actives in a larger mushroom, its a slightly less concentration then a small one.

Think of booze. You have an 8 ounce glass full of 10% alcohol, and then you have a 10 ounce glass full of 9% alcohol. Yeah, the smaller glass is more concentrated but the larger glass will give you more.

I also like to believe that this happens in mushrooms on such tiny levels that it really doesn't matter if you pick them when they are big and mature, or small and developing. 3g of big mushrooms will give you the same trip as 3g of tiny mushrooms in my own experience.

Again, I'm pretty much talking out of my ass. All I'm really saying is don't worry about it. Harvest when ever you damn well want.

-Edit- I do both. I like to see how big they will grow, because I feel it justifies my masculinity when I get a big ass mushroom, but most of the time they wont fit in my drying chambers.

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I can def. agree that picking them early is by far the best way to go, monsters suck your cakes/sub dry quick and in a hurry, i also belive comaring aborts to full grown is little unfair, but im curious why they are so much more potent, do they come packed  with the magic quite heavily straight off the cake, and as the fruit matures its abilities to create the "magic" slowly deminshes, so possibly the rate of "magic making" to "fruit growth" starts out well, but slows down and drops off at veil pop? dont know, just know in my experince, id mmuch rather have a thick cluster of smaller shrooms to a few monsters   
  Personally i'd much rather have all abort 7 grams on new years was insane to say the least, cost an arm and a leg to obtain to.

Montock said:

Mik said:

First off, I wana say I'm just read some posts about it in the past and its the way I treat mushrooms. I may just be talkin out my ass too.

The way I understand it, aborts are different. You cant compare those to actual growing mushrooms. In terms of letting them grow out or picking early, picking early would be the best. You'll leave more nutrients in the cakes if you do this for future flushes. The mushroom producing actives seems to have a fall-off right before the veil pops. Though there is more actives in a larger mushroom, its a slightly less concentration then a small one.

Think of booze. You have an 8 ounce glass full of 10% alcohol, and then you have a 10 ounce glass full of 9% alcohol. Yeah, the smaller glass is more concentrated but the larger glass will give you more.

I also like to believe that this happens in mushrooms on such tiny levels that it really doesn't matter if you pick them when they are big and mature, or small and developing. 3g of big mushrooms will give you the same trip as 3g of tiny mushrooms in my own experience.

Again, I'm pretty much talking out of my ass. All I'm really saying is don't worry about it. Harvest when ever you damn well want.

-Edit- I do both. I like to see how big they will grow, because I feel it justifies my masculinity when I get a big ass mushroom, but most of the time they wont fit in my drying chambers.

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I can def. agree that picking them early is by far the best way to go, monsters suck your cakes/sub dry quick and in a hurry, i also belive comaring aborts to full grown is little unfair, but im curious why they are so much more potent, do they come packed  with the magic quite heavily straight off the cake, and as the fruit matures its abilities to create the "magic" slowly deminshes, so possibly the rate of "magic making" to "fruit growth" starts out well, but slows down and drops off at veil pop? dont know, just know in my experince, id mmuch rather have a thick cluster of smaller shrooms to a few monsters   
  Personally i'd much rather have all abort 7 grams on new years was insane to say the least, cost an arm and a leg to obtain to.

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Spongiform said:

Once the veil begins to open it's just gaining water weight.  I noticed a pretty big difference in wet -> dry weight ratios depending on when I harvested.

It was around 8% for very mature mushrooms, closer to 15% for immature.

The way I see it is, you're wasting moisture by letting them open all the way.  I allow them to open either for photography or for prints.

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Montock said:

I can def. agree that picking them early is by far the best way to go, monsters suck your cakes/sub dry quick and in a hurry

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MAN, ive never thought about that...
wonder how much that hurts subsequent flushes
not that natures ever not doing it just right,
just tweaking things a lil, like we like to do...might be extremely beneficial if youre 2nd flushing your sub...

then again, its nice to let your sub (big ones) dry for a day or few after harvest to dunk...

i have no idea why i added the sentence above this, but yeaaah