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Anxiety doesn't have to be a disorder
    #11390425 - 11/05/09 01:41 PM (8 years, 14 days ago)

It could be a sign that one is awakening to the chaos of culture and language.
Though one may not know it to be an awakening and consider it to be a disorder and fall into confusion meds and psychiatrists.  Though this doesn't have to account for all cases of anxiety.

Thoughts?


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Re: Anxiety doesn't have to be a disorder [Re: deranger]
    #11390438 - 11/05/09 01:43 PM (8 years, 14 days ago)

return to nature and anxiety seems to go away.

i wouldn't doubt it


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Re: Anxiety doesn't have to be a disorder [Re: deranger]
    #11390460 - 11/05/09 01:47 PM (8 years, 14 days ago)

Quote:

deranger said:
It could be a sign that one is awakening to the chaos of culture and language.
Though one may not know it to be an awakening and consider it to be a disorder and fall into confusion meds and psychiatrists.  Though this doesn't have to account for all cases of anxiety.

Thoughts?




I think your right


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Re: Anxiety doesn't have to be a disorder [Re: JackofSpades]
    #11390463 - 11/05/09 01:47 PM (8 years, 14 days ago)

exactly my thoughts.


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Re: Anxiety doesn't have to be a disorder (moved) [Re: deranger]
    #11392225 - 11/05/09 06:43 PM (8 years, 13 days ago)

This thread was moved from Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology.

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Moved by OP request.


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Re: Anxiety doesn't have to be a disorder [Re: deranger]
    #11392373 - 11/05/09 07:05 PM (8 years, 13 days ago)

Quote:

deranger said:
It could be a sign that one is awakening to the chaos of culture and language.
Though one may not know it to be an awakening and consider it to be a disorder and fall into confusion meds and psychiatrists.  Though this doesn't have to account for all cases of anxiety.

Thoughts?




Anxiety is a "disorder" when one can't function in a harmonious manner anymore, even if the anxiety is related to cultural aspects. The "chaos" you mention is still nothing more than one's lack of ability to understand things and accept them as they are, along with the fact that there's whole big world out there that doesn't have to please them, heal them, or agree with them. When someone doesn't want to understand these things they become like little spoiled kids and they experience this anxiety that can't allow them to feel peaceful and balanced anymore.
Meds aren't usually a good idea, but sometimes, if taken for brief amounts of time, they might help one to get one's life back on track, under the condition that one uses that opportunity to start a quest for personal analysis and growth.


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Re: Anxiety doesn't have to be a disorder [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #11392386 - 11/05/09 07:07 PM (8 years, 13 days ago)

you've completely missed the point.


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Re: Anxiety doesn't have to be a disorder [Re: deranger]
    #11392394 - 11/05/09 07:09 PM (8 years, 13 days ago)

Why don't you make it clear, then? :muppet:


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Re: Anxiety doesn't have to be a disorder [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #11392451 - 11/05/09 07:18 PM (8 years, 13 days ago)

Make it clear to you?  That would be futile.


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Re: Anxiety doesn't have to be a disorder [Re: deranger]
    #11392471 - 11/05/09 07:21 PM (8 years, 13 days ago)

Why? Did I answer your thread in an impolite manner or anything? I just stated my opinion on the matter, and you seem to have a problem with it.like usually, because of your own small-sightedness. Seriously, grow the fuck up. :wink:


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Re: Anxiety doesn't have to be a disorder [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #11392501 - 11/05/09 07:26 PM (8 years, 13 days ago)

No, you answered my thread with a post that had nothing to do with the point I was trying to make in the OP.  I don't have a problem with it, I just don't want to stray off topic. 

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Seriously, grow the fuck up.




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Re: Anxiety doesn't have to be a disorder [Re: deranger]
    #11392562 - 11/05/09 07:36 PM (8 years, 13 days ago)

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No, you answered my thread with a post that had nothing to do with the point I was trying to make in the OP.  I don't have a problem with it, I just don't want to stray off topic. 




So, by answering me that it would be futile to try to explain something to me, you were really trying to say that you didn't want to stray off-topic. And, while we're at it, how can making clear nothing else but your OP be called "straying off topic"?


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Re: Anxiety doesn't have to be a disorder [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #11392691 - 11/05/09 07:54 PM (8 years, 13 days ago)

If you don't get it, you don't get it.  I'm not looking to engage in an endless circular debate with you (as usual).  That is what I mean by straying off topic.


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Re: Anxiety doesn't have to be a disorder [Re: deranger]
    #11392795 - 11/05/09 08:06 PM (8 years, 13 days ago)

I have to admit MTs post seems on topic to me, if it's not then you really ought to explain why instead of just proclaiming MT is incapable of understanding which just seems like side stepping. If MTs post was off topic I don't understand your post either which would seem to suggest it makes no sense (or the wrong sense).


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Re: Anxiety doesn't have to be a disorder [Re: Grapefruit]
    #11392923 - 11/05/09 08:21 PM (8 years, 13 days ago)

To be honest, debating with MT is a waste of my time and energy.  And usually it gets nowhere.

But since you asked... to me, culture/language is disordered.  We have strayed from our more natural state.  Ever work at McDonalds?  People are confused.  When one begins to recognize this things get crazy.

I'm looking at the flip side of the coin.


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Re: Anxiety doesn't have to be a disorder [Re: deranger]
    #11393176 - 11/05/09 08:52 PM (8 years, 13 days ago)

Yeh culture/human values are pretty stupid but I honestly think they probably always have been. I'm still not entirely sure what you mean though, care to elaborate on some of your points? I won't be able to reply for a lil while as I'm gonna get 40 winks soon but I am interested.


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Re: Anxiety doesn't have to be a disorder [Re: deranger]
    #11393307 - 11/05/09 09:12 PM (8 years, 13 days ago)

Anxiety may also be an indication that something is genuinely wrong with you and that it needs fixing.

I went through that -- a few months of terrible anxiety about most everything in my life. When the anxiety reached its height, I took psychedelics. I changed because of those trips, the anxiety subsided, and I'm happier with myself now than I ever was before.

Had I taken an anxiolytic during that vulnerable period and called it taken care of, I would not have changed, and the causes behind my anxiety would remain.

edit -- I can't recommend taking psychedelics during an anxiety attack, though. Just because it worked for me doesn't mean it will work for everyone. The first trips were extremely distressing, as I was confronted with ideas about myself that I had never allowed myself to think about before. I threw out my egoic sensibilities and suffered through some very unpleasant realizations.

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Re: Anxiety doesn't have to be a disorder [Re: Grapefruit]
    #11393338 - 11/05/09 09:17 PM (8 years, 13 days ago)

Take for example language.  In order to be a functional human being you need to have a certain thought process.  This thought process (and most others) is what I consider to be disordered and confused.  We weren't originally put on this earth with the thoughts we have today.  There were no ego games.  When one loses touch with this culturalized thought process, THAT is considered to be a disorder to the average psychiatrist.  Sure, it could be considered a disorder, but this isn't about the smaller picture.  Ultimately, it is the collective thought process that is disordered in my opinion.  This is what I meant when I said it doesn't have to be a disorder.  One can look at it as a disorder and see himself as disordered, but IMO this is a disordered way to look at it.  He could realize that ultimately he is surrounded by disorder and through having this knowledge he could have a better chance at living the life.

Just gotta say it again... this doesn't have to account for all cases of anxiety.


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Re: Anxiety doesn't have to be a disorder [Re: astronaut]
    #11393389 - 11/05/09 09:25 PM (8 years, 13 days ago)

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Anxiety may also be an indication that something is genuinely wrong with you and that it needs fixing.




yes.  this is why i stated it doesn't have to account for all cases of anxiety.  some are more attached to the cultural thought process so overcoming it isn't all that hard.  as an example, schizoaffectives sometimes have blown the attachment out the window. which doesn't have to be a bad thing.  it can be quite liberating.


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Re: Anxiety doesn't have to be a disorder [Re: deranger]
    #11395840 - 11/06/09 06:46 AM (8 years, 13 days ago)

I agree with you basically but once you have lost touch with culture (benefit) and have increased levels of anxiety you still need to work on decreasing your level of anxiety so I wouldn't say it's a benefit in itself but a side effect of one.


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