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Offlineandrewss
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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Icelander]
    #11392215 - 11/05/09 04:42 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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It follows then that nihilism can lead to a healthy life style and is a realistic philosophy.


If life has no inherent meaning and everything is happening because it can then the best policy is to adjust to it and use it to the best of your abilities. You get to create any meaning that supports your goals. You're not caught up in defending anything. You are just living to the best of your ability. And if you don't like things and don't want to live then you kill yourself without remorse or guilt.




Now we are getting more towards "existentialism"

But alas we are not actually defined by terms, let your actions and basic attitude do the talking for you :smile: ... no?


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: andrewss]
    #11392251 - 11/05/09 04:47 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Well that's an integral part of my definition of nihilism. It includes existentialism but goes beyond it.

Or better yet. An existentialist psychology can extend from a nihilist philosophy.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Edited by Icelander (11/05/09 04:49 PM)


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Poid]
    #11392327 - 11/05/09 04:58 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Material casuality is everything... science can probably explain away everything... there is nothing which is not caused by something else.

but this is no explanation

the world to me seems accidental(?), arbitrary, and without meaning.

it's easy enough to figure out how everything works.. but not why

the universe is becoming predictable, yet still ultimately meaningless

this is the burden of rationality/intelligence I suppose, being able to see through it all

there is probably no spirit or personal survival after death, no after life, and no 'god' keeping tabs on what we do while we exsist

hence, there is no reason to do anything, or for that matter to restrain from doing anything

there are no absolutes in terms of importance, goodness, meaning, or truth that do not arise from the accidental(?) structure of the body/brain and its surroundings

like I said in the thread that spawned this one... we are just living out the chaotically complex forces which spawned us and will on day reduce us to nothing again

everything we will ever do is just a result of how we were made and what happens to us.. for all our pretenses of free will, we are an accident(?) running on a fixed but unknown course



Nihilism is like atheism on steroids

:crazy2:


Edited by LuSiD9 (11/05/09 05:00 PM)


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: LuSiD9]
    #11392395 - 11/05/09 05:09 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I alway thought it meant that on a large scale everything is meaningless but I could be wrong. I guess the dictionary definition is the right one.


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: LuSiD9]
    #11392526 - 11/05/09 05:30 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

or for that matter to restrain from doing anything

If that was the end of it. But from philosophy to psychology. Or in other words once you know nothing matters what does one do?

This is a living problem and not just a mental exercise. So then that which brings the most satisfaction into this experience would be my personal goal. Logically speaking if subjectively pleasure and satisfaction is preferable to pain or suffering.

For nihilism to be meaningful in my life it must be a means to an end. However subjective that may be.

NIHILHEDONISM RULES.:thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Icelander]
    #11392734 - 11/05/09 06:00 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

And so...

This imo is what Nietzsche meant when he stated
"I praise, I do not reproach, [nihilism's] arrival. I believe it is one of the greatest crises, a moment of the deepest self-reflection of humanity. Whether man recovers from it, whether he becomes master of this crisis, is a question of his strength."


Will we be able to live without our false idols and gods, our denials of apparent reality, will we be able to bring our death anxiety out from the unconscious and look at it squarely and choose to be happy in this moment? To forgo our neurotic tendency to demand that reality conform to our emotional needs?

I have grave doubts that none but a few will ever be able to do this. The question remains, will I be able to do it.:satansmoking:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Icelander]
    #11392818 - 11/05/09 06:10 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
or for that matter to restrain from doing anything

If that was the end of it. But from philosophy to psychology. Or in other words once you know nothing matters what does one do?

This is a living problem and not just a mental exercise. So then that which brings the most satisfaction into this experience would be my personal goal. Logically speaking if subjectively pleasure and satisfaction is preferable to pain or suffering.

For nihilism to be meaningful in my life it must be a means to an end. However subjective that may be.

NIHILHEDONISM RULES.:thumbup:




you are such a fucking liar and so clueless

but you know that deep down


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Icelander]
    #11392819 - 11/05/09 06:10 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

there's no point to this thread

...or to anything  :frown:


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Icelander]
    #11392831 - 11/05/09 06:11 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

You're asking if we will be able to handle the freedom it is that nothing matters?

What could be easier?


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: rebus_minus]
    #11392842 - 11/05/09 06:13 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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You're asking if we will be able to handle the freedom it is that nothing matters?

What could be easier?




and easy is always the best way to anything :rolleyes:

you guys got no fight in you

so sad


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11392856 - 11/05/09 06:15 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Life Upon Death said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
or for that matter to restrain from doing anything

If that was the end of it. But from philosophy to psychology. Or in other words once you know nothing matters what does one do?

This is a living problem and not just a mental exercise. So then that which brings the most satisfaction into this experience would be my personal goal. Logically speaking if subjectively pleasure and satisfaction is preferable to pain or suffering.

For nihilism to be meaningful in my life it must be a means to an end. However subjective that may be.

NIHILHEDONISM RULES.:thumbup:




you are such a fucking liar and so clueless

but you know that deep down




:rofl2: It's very obvious I have pushed your buttons but how about explaining your POV.


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Icelander]
    #11392886 - 11/05/09 06:18 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Quote:

Life Upon Death said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
or for that matter to restrain from doing anything

If that was the end of it. But from philosophy to psychology. Or in other words once you know nothing matters what does one do?

This is a living problem and not just a mental exercise. So then that which brings the most satisfaction into this experience would be my personal goal. Logically speaking if subjectively pleasure and satisfaction is preferable to pain or suffering.

For nihilism to be meaningful in my life it must be a means to an end. However subjective that may be.

NIHILHEDONISM RULES.:thumbup:




you are such a fucking liar and so clueless

but you know that deep down




:rofl2: It's very obvious I have pushed your buttons but how about explaining your POV.




:smirk:


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11392893 - 11/05/09 06:18 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

not just a fucking coward but encouraging others to be cowards as well

your mother must be so proud :wink:


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11393032 - 11/05/09 06:34 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Life Upon Death stop it with the flames. If you can't discuss the topic without resorting to childishness, then don't post here.

Consider this your warning.


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11393037 - 11/05/09 06:35 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Once again I ask you to explain you POV. Who's being the coward?


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Icelander]
    #11393054 - 11/05/09 06:37 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Once again I ask you to explain you POV. Who's being the coward?




u know already

but I'm gonna leave it there because I'm getting warned


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11393067 - 11/05/09 06:38 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

You're getting warned for flaming not for having a pov and presenting it.

That's a cop out.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Icelander]
    #11393076 - 11/05/09 06:40 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
You're getting warned for flaming not for having a pov and presenting it.

That's a cop out.




I won't be able to discuss this right now without being warned

I understand that you feel the need to keep up your persona so I don't expect you to concede what we both know is true

lets just leave it there for now


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Icelander]
    #11393086 - 11/05/09 06:41 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
You're getting warned for flaming not for having a pov and presenting it.

That's a cop out.





OHHHHHHHHH called out!



:stirthepot:


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11393103 - 11/05/09 06:43 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Life Upon Death said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
You're getting warned for flaming not for having a pov and presenting it.

That's a cop out.




I won't be able to discuss this right now without being warned

I understand that you feel the need to keep up your persona so I don't expect you to concede what we both know is true

lets just leave it there for now




In other words you are not able to present a point of view without attacking another person? How very interesting. Your mother would be proud.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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