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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Icelander]
    #11398898 - 11/06/09 02:48 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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if you want to phrase it that way. But imo you are already doing what you truly want to be doing and you always will. Even if you don't like the results.




What do you think about Aleister Crowley's injunction to Do What Thou Wilt?


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: deCypher]
    #11398909 - 11/06/09 02:50 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I agree with it. I have often posted that quote.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Icelander]
    #11398920 - 11/06/09 02:51 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

But if we're already doing what we truly Will, then wouldn't Crowley's saying be completely unnecessary?


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Icelander]
    #11398921 - 11/06/09 02:51 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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I agree with it. I have often posted that quote.




doesn't surprise me in the least


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: deCypher]
    #11398930 - 11/06/09 02:52 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe,but many people don't know it's ok to be doing what their doing.


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Icelander]
    #11398942 - 11/06/09 02:53 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Guilt for the loss.  Hell, free will (or the illusion thereof) is a heavy burden indeed.


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: deCypher]
    #11398948 - 11/06/09 02:54 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe that's why people keep posting that we don't have it.:lol:


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: deCypher]
    #11398950 - 11/06/09 02:55 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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The existence of an inherent preference towards something still does not provide an adequate philosophical reason for pursuing that something.


Just live, don't pursue, per se...


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11398974 - 11/06/09 02:58 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

"I was not content to believe in a personal devil and serve him, in the ordinary sense of the word. I wanted to get hold of him personally and become his chief of staff."

"The apparent discrepancy in the gospel narrative aroused no doubt in my mind as to the literal truth of either of the texts. Indeed, my falling away from grace was not occasioned by any intellectual qualms; I accepted the theology of the Plymouth Brethren. In fact, I could hardly conceive of the existence of people who might doubt it. I simply went over to Satan's side; and to this hour I cannot tell why."

Aleister Crowley admitting that not only did he believe Christianity was true but that the devil he served was the devil of the Christian bible



odd symbol on his hat eh? :wink:


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11398988 - 11/06/09 02:59 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah that's proof of something. That drug addict. Love his hat.:lol:


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11398989 - 11/06/09 02:59 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Crowley took pride in being known as the Wickedest Man on Earth, but if you actually read any of his writings on magick you'd learn that the eventual goal of his occult system was to liberate every man and woman through Union with God.


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: deCypher]
    #11399003 - 11/06/09 03:01 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Yeah that's proof of something. That drug addict. Love his hat.:lol:


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Crowley took pride in being known as the Wickedest Man on Earth, but if you actually read any of his writings on magick you'd learn that the eventual goal of his occult system was to liberate every man and woman through Union with God.




yes he pushed for the New Order of the Ages under "Thelema"


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11399015 - 11/06/09 03:02 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I don't buy into Thelema (too religious for my liking) but the guy was very intelligent and had a sharp sense of humor.  His techniques of ceremonial magick are also quite effective.  :thumbup:


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11399017 - 11/06/09 03:02 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Crowley apparently tried to ignore
what he had written with his guided hand, but it would not go away, and from
1909 on he began to take it very seriously. He said: “After five
years of folly and weakness, miscalled politeness, tact, discretion, care for
the feeling of others, I am weary of it. I say today: to hell with
Christianity, Rationalism, Buddhism, all the lumber of the centuries. I bring
you a positive and primeval fact, Magic by name; and with this I will build me
a new Heaven and new Earth. I want none of your faint approval or faint
dispraise; I want blasphemy, murder, rape, revolution, anything, bad or good,
but strong.”

good guy :rolleyes:


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: deCypher]
    #11399021 - 11/06/09 03:03 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't buy into Thelema (too religious for my liking) but the guy was very intelligent and had a sharp sense of humor.  His techniques of ceremonial magick are also quite effective.  :thumbup:




He claims the book of the law was dictated to him by a spirit guide in the form of an Egyptian...

so it really wasn't his intellect at all if this is true


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11399028 - 11/06/09 03:04 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Life Upon Death said:
He claims the book of the law was dictated to him by a Spirit Guide in the form of an Egyptian...

so it really wasn't his intellect at all if this is true




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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11399030 - 11/06/09 03:05 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

One may be asked whether there is not a conflict between this development of the Will and Ethics.
The answer is Yes.
--Aleister Crowley

:rockon:

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Life Upon Death said:
He claims the book of the law was dictated to him by a spirit guide in the form of an Egyptian...

so it really wasn't his intellect at all if this is true




Not talking about his channeled writings.


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: deCypher]
    #11399040 - 11/06/09 03:06 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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One may be asked whether there is not a conflict between this development of the Will and Ethics.
The answer is Yes.
--Aleister Crowley

:rockon:

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Life Upon Death said:
He claims the book of the law was dictated to him by a spirit guide in the form of an Egyptian...

so it really wasn't his intellect at all if this is true




Not talking about his channeled writings.




so you agree that he received channeled writings then?


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11399048 - 11/06/09 03:07 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I can't say for certain but I think he believed it.


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: deCypher]
    #11399054 - 11/06/09 03:08 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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I can't say for certain but I think he believed it.




fair enough


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