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THE NIHILISM THREAD.
    #11390021 - 11/05/09 12:32 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Seems nihilism has a lot of differing definitions. Lets see what we can come up with that works for us that see it as a valuable philosophy.

Would you, could you, (should you:satansmoking:) please post your personal definition or a definition you personally agree with. Then lets root around and see what the "official" (majority rules i guess) shroomery definition might be. Then we can have a talk about nihilism and it's effects on us.


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Icelander]
    #11390046 - 11/05/09 12:38 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Revisionist nihilism -- If I were moderator I'd reject the establishment of this thread.

Philosophical nihilism's about (usually armchair) negation of certain values or intellectual or habitual institutions one is fixated with. It's rooted in a feeling of being overwhelmed by certain established things, and thus a will arises to destroy them.


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Icelander]
    #11390049 - 11/05/09 12:39 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Nihilism denies anything exists at all.


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Lakefingers]
    #11390072 - 11/05/09 12:42 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Lakefingers said:
Revisionist nihilism -- If I were moderator I'd reject the establishment of this thread.

Philosophical nihilism's about (usually armchair) negation of certain values or intellectual or habitual institutions one is fixated with. It's rooted in a feeling of being overwhelmed by certain established things, and thus a will arises to destroy them.





Right and I contend this was not the intent of those who noticed the nihilistic tendency of reality.

Maybe a little later when I post my definition you can pull it apart.

I have no objection to a new and better defined nihilism.

Maybe we can start here. "Let us put our trust in the eternal spirit which destroys and annihilates only because it is the unsearchable and eternally creative source of all life"


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Edited by Icelander (11/05/09 12:44 PM)


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Ahimsa]
    #11390089 - 11/05/09 12:45 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Nihilism denies anything exists at all.





Does it? Or does it deny human values?


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Icelander]
    #11390091 - 11/05/09 12:45 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I think in order to really label oneself as nihilistic one would need to have their ideas materialize and impact ones life... IE self destructive/risky behaviors - just for the hell of it, or at least without some ends insight. Nihilism would rightly be an abandonment of ones sense of future, it would be an exodus from how you have been conventionally conditioned to look at things and value things. Though not many of us really live that out. If one posits nihilism as necessarily stagnant I wonder if one is truly possessed by the ideas that flow through their brain, thus are they truly nihilistic?

I guess a more moderate form of nihilism (lets say, nihilism-lite) would be to posesses an appreciation for the above, at bottom, but enough mental fortitude to at least value humor and jesting people who haven't "woken up" to this silly triviality nihilists see all too clearly, a kind of crude show being the only really worthy thing to do.

Or one could think yeah nihilism is a number of other things, and yeah I guess one can define it on and on, but I dunno, lets take it to the heart and really see effects and go from there...


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Ahimsa]
    #11390105 - 11/05/09 12:47 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Ahimsa said:
Nihilism denies anything exists at all.




No.


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: andrewss]
    #11390114 - 11/05/09 12:48 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

:thumbup: That's the spirit.


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Icelander]
    #11390189 - 11/05/09 01:01 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

It states that there is nothing really there in the first place.
So of a brick it would say there is no such thing. There is shape, material and the baking process, but no brick. It is only a label.
The same for human values. They are not really there, they are imagined, merely names indicating presumed realities recognisable by their appearance or manifestations, but nothing more.


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Ahimsa]
    #11390226 - 11/05/09 01:07 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

It states that there is nothing really there in the first place.

This will be dumped from my new definition. It's completely unimportant IMO.


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Icelander]
    #11390269 - 11/05/09 01:14 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Icelander said:
It states that there is nothing really there in the first place.

This will be dumped from my new definition. It's completely unimportant IMO.




There being 'something' existent in the first place can never be nihilisms point of view imo. But, have your go, it is your thread. So far.


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Ahimsa]
    #11390357 - 11/05/09 01:29 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Nihilism is the belief that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated.

This is from the Internet Dictionary of Philosophy site.

This is where I start from. I will post my first draft definition by tomorrow at latest.


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. *DELETED* [Re: Icelander]
    #11390466 - 11/05/09 01:48 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Mnboardin]
    #11390472 - 11/05/09 01:49 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Mnboardin said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
Nihilism is the belief that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated.

This is from the Internet Dictionary of Philosophy site.

This is where I start from. I will post my first draft definition by tomorrow at latest.




I always thought of it as being the belief that all moral values are baseless, but heck why not extend it to all values eh? And you know that belief kills culture! :cheers:


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Mnboardin]
    #11390541 - 11/05/09 02:11 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I got this one from Veritas. This is her definition.

"That life has no inherent meaning, and all events are happening because they can."


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Edited by Icelander (11/05/09 02:11 PM)


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Icelander]
    #11391466 - 11/05/09 04:52 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

OK now. I think I see where I am going with this.

If Nihilism means no inherent meaning then all value judgments have no merit. Then it follows that many proclaimed Nihilists are instead Pessimists or Cynics. Using Nihilism as a thinly veiled cover for a neurotic need to have life conform to their emotional desires.

Also the statement that Nihilism means "nothing exists" is illogical as we cannot know the answer to that one. And a preponderance of evidence suggests that things may exist. If I'm going to align myself to any philosophy by name it has to seem logical to me.

So Nihilism by it's nature is neutral emotionally. Therefore, imo, it lends itself to a healthy psychological outlook on life.


So far Veritas definition meets those criteria. Anyone have anything to add?


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Icelander]
    #11391480 - 11/05/09 04:54 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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...neutral emotionally. Therefore, imo, it lends itself to a healthy psychological outlook on life.


I agree that neutrality can yield a healthy psychological outlook on life. :thumbup:


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Poid]
    #11392002 - 11/05/09 06:12 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

It follows then that nihilism can lead to a healthy life style and is a realistic philosophy.


If life has no inherent meaning and everything is happening because it can then the best policy is to adjust to it and use it to the best of your abilities. You get to create any meaning that supports your goals. You're not caught up in defending anything. You are just living to the best of your ability. And if you don't like things and don't want to live then you kill yourself without remorse or guilt.


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: Icelander]
    #11392035 - 11/05/09 06:15 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

And if you don't like things, then you kill others without remorse or guilt. :minigun:


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Re: THE NIHILISM THREAD. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11392047 - 11/05/09 06:19 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Right. I'm glad you brought this point up. The philosophy is not responsible. Your personal psychology/ethics would be.


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