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LeopardMan
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Re: Longest time from pins to mature fruits [Re: Doc_T]
#11382357 - 11/04/09 09:05 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Could be, yes. We know that providing lots of good bright light of the right color helps you get bigger, better fruits. Temps are my first suspicion, though. Or moisture. But without knowing more about the light...
Temps? You mean I would need higher temps? Not sure about that. Moisture though could be a problem because I cant check it with a mechanical hygrometer. Ive got other cakes in the FC and one of them started pinning two days ago and pins are now as big as those in the other two cakes.
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Re: Longest time from pins to mature fruits [Re: prismism]
#11382372 - 11/04/09 09:08 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Actually my intention was to post a thread about pins development. But it looks like I miserably failed. I'll try to take better pictures of the same cake.
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Re: Longest time from pins to mature fruits [Re: LeopardMan]
#11382403 - 11/04/09 09:17 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Could be, yes. We know that providing lots of good bright light of the right color helps you get bigger, better fruits. Temps are my first suspicion, though. Or moisture. But without knowing more about the light...
Temps? You mean I would need higher temps? Not sure about that. Moisture though could be a problem because I cant check it with a mechanical hygrometer. Ive got other cakes in the FC and one of them started pinning two days ago and pins are now as big as those in the other two cakes.
Higher temps, maybe lower. What are your current temps like? Hygrometer- you need one. Even a cheap one is is better than nothing. And if you can calibrate it, it may be quite useful when you get used to it.
But if conditions are identical and cakes perform differently, then genetics is probably a consideration too.
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Re: Longest time from pins to mature fruits [Re: Doc_T]
#11382482 - 11/04/09 09:34 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Could be, yes. We know that providing lots of good bright light of the right color helps you get bigger, better fruits. Temps are my first suspicion, though. Or moisture. But without knowing more about the light...
Temps? You mean I would need higher temps? Not sure about that. Moisture though could be a problem because I cant check it with a mechanical hygrometer. Ive got other cakes in the FC and one of them started pinning two days ago and pins are now as big as those in the other two cakes.
Higher temps, maybe lower. What are your current temps like? Hygrometer- you need one. Even a cheap one is is better than nothing. And if you can calibrate it, it may be quite useful when you get used to it.
But if conditions are identical and cakes perform differently, then genetics is probably a consideration too.
I just took this picture:
As you can see there is a mutant too. My temps are the same I reported in the first post. Right now: 73F. My digital hygrometer says: 95%. I have a suspicion that a negative factor could be chlorine. I'll try to explain: in the first week I constantly used tap water but in my city there is a HIGH (500mg/l) concentration of chlorine. In the next days I decided to use distilled water so the third cake is in a slightly different position, because I put it in the FC a week later. What do you think about this?
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Edited by LeopardMan (11/04/09 09:52 AM)
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Re: Longest time from pins to mature fruits [Re: LeopardMan]
#11382508 - 11/04/09 09:39 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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LeopardMan said: I just took this picture:
Too dry. And/or contaminated.
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Re: Longest time from pins to mature fruits [Re: Doc_T]
#11382543 - 11/04/09 09:47 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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LeopardMan said: I just took this picture:
Too dry. And/or contaminated.
This is the kind of answer I like. I am pretty sure its not contaminated, it smells fine, and there are no signs of contaminants. So can I save them? what about setting the cake in a saucer of water overnight, as RR recommends?
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Edited by LeopardMan (11/04/09 09:48 AM)
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Re: Longest time from pins to mature fruits [Re: LeopardMan]
#11382688 - 11/04/09 10:12 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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It shouldn't take that long for pins to mature.
You say your lights are 'daylight' fluorescent so they should be fine.
Your RH is 95% so that's good.
Your temp is 73F which is OK. I prefer a little higher.
You say you mist and fan 3-4 times a day. Try misting a little heavier and maybe fan a little longer, and more often if possible. Mist until it's wet, not soaked but glistens with moisture. This may be your problem. As Doc_T stated it's probably too dry.
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Re: Longest time from pins to mature fruits [Re: nexus1946]
#11382979 - 11/04/09 11:14 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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nexus1946 said: It shouldn't take that long for pins to mature.
You say your lights are 'daylight' fluorescent so they should be fine.
Your RH is 95% so that's good.
Your temp is 73F which is OK. I prefer a little higher.
You say you mist and fan 3-4 times a day. Try misting a little heavier and maybe fan a little longer, and more often if possible. Mist until it's wet, not soaked but glistens with moisture. This may be your problem. As Doc_T stated it's probably too dry.
Ok. Thanks a lot. Ill try to mist more frequently.
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Re: Longest time from pins to mature fruits [Re: LeopardMan]
#11385088 - 11/04/09 03:35 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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dont mist using distilled water. tap water works great. the chlorine in your tap water isnt high enough to hurt anything. and just because you cant smell or see anything doesnt mean your cake isnt contaminated.
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Re: Longest time from pins to mature fruits [Re: Batista]
#11385224 - 11/04/09 03:52 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Batista said: LOL sorry, n00b mistake Ok i would say notch it up to 82-84 F then see?
Tempurature drops induce fruiting not raises
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Re: Longest time from pins to mature fruits [Re: Beelzebozo]
#11385311 - 11/04/09 04:02 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Longest time from pins to mature fruits [Re: Beelzebozo]
#11385321 - 11/04/09 04:03 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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My first grow ever attempted seem to hate me. Full colonization of 1 pint jars took 2 1/2 months where some only took 1 1/2 months. Fruiting was no walk in the park unless you are lost. It took 2 weeks before pinning.
I learned that it was lack of FAE in my poorly made SGFC. At least I know there is nothing wrong with fruiting at 67 degrees.
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Re: Longest time from pins to mature fruits (updated) [Re: prismism]
#11388906 - 11/05/09 02:22 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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prismism said: dont mist using distilled water. tap water works great. the chlorine in your tap water isnt high enough to hurt anything. and just because you cant smell or see anything doesnt mean your cake isnt contaminated.
Ok. I decided to cut my cakes in half: I dont care wasting 2 cakes; my aim is to learn and I want to learn well. So I opted for an autopsy (the act of seeing with one's own eyes).
No apparent signs of contamination. Anyway the substrate didnt look entirely white, as you can see. Can that be a partially colonized substrate? Any help is much appreciated.
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Re: Longest time from pins to mature fruits [Re: Beelzebozo]
#11389052 - 11/05/09 03:52 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Batista said: LOL sorry, n00b mistake Ok i would say notch it up to 82-84 F then see?
Tempurature drops induce fruiting not raises
Sorry thought it was the incubation tempm you are quite correct Beelzebozo
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Re: Longest time from pins to mature fruits (updated) [Re: LeopardMan]
#11389572 - 11/05/09 08:28 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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LeopardMan said:
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prismism said: dont mist using distilled water. tap water works great. the chlorine in your tap water isnt high enough to hurt anything. and just because you cant smell or see anything doesnt mean your cake isnt contaminated.
Ok. I decided to cut my cakes in half: I dont care wasting 2 cakes; my aim is to learn and I want to learn well. So I opted for an autopsy (the act of seeing with one's own eyes).
No apparent signs of contamination. Anyway the substrate didnt look entirely white, as you can see. Can that be a partially colonized substrate? Any help is much appreciated.
You can still use those cakes. you could do a tray fairly easily. just spray your cakes down with a low concentration h202 or chlorine solution and pasteurize some substrate. I would say half substrate half crumbled cake or even 40 to 45% substrate to cake so your colonization time doesn't take too long. It's kind of a long shot due to the fact they have been exposed to the open air so long but hey it's worth a shot. what else does your lazy ass have to do? (don't be mad you know I'm right) Oh yeah and I wouldn't case it either given the circumstances.
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Re: Longest time from pins to mature fruits (updated) [Re: Beelzebozo]
#11389603 - 11/05/09 08:39 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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prismism said: dont mist using distilled water. tap water works great. the chlorine in your tap water isnt high enough to hurt anything. and just because you cant smell or see anything doesnt mean your cake isnt contaminated.
Ok. I decided to cut my cakes in half: I dont care wasting 2 cakes; my aim is to learn and I want to learn well. So I opted for an autopsy (the act of seeing with one's own eyes).
No apparent signs of contamination. Anyway the substrate didnt look entirely white, as you can see. Can that be a partially colonized substrate? Any help is much appreciated.
You can still use those cakes. you could do a tray fairly easily. just spray your cakes down with a low concentration h202 or chlorine solution and pasteurize some substrate. I would say half substrate half crumbled cake or even 40 to 45% substrate to cake so your colonization time doesn't take too long. It's kind of a long shot due to the fact they have been exposed to the open air so long but hey it's worth a shot. what else does your lazy ass have to do? (don't be mad you know I'm right) Oh yeah and I wouldn't case it either given the circumstances.
I know I can crumble them but I said those cakes are wasted. Money and time are not issues at the moment. And dont talk like that again or I am going to rip your balls off so you cant contaminate the rest of the world (Dont be mad. Listen to the Leopard).
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Edited by LeopardMan (11/06/09 08:02 AM)
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