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OfflineAlphaFalfa
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If you could change or alter a pre-conditioned belief, what would it be?
    #11388216 - 11/05/09 12:41 AM (8 years, 16 days ago)

1. God
2. That my mind is my self.

If you dont know what a preconditioned belief is, you need not reply.

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Re: If you could change or alter a pre-conditioned belief, what would it be? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #11388224 - 11/05/09 12:44 AM (8 years, 16 days ago)

Id like to get rid of all of them, I think.  Id like to wake up every morning and completely reevaluate my entire belief system.  Cant feasibly do that though, but it would be nice and its good to keep in mind.


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Re: If you could change or alter a pre-conditioned belief, what would it be? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #11388309 - 11/05/09 01:01 AM (8 years, 16 days ago)

God = Mind

Thus question out of the question.


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Re: If you could change or alter a pre-conditioned belief, what would it be? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #11388541 - 11/05/09 02:04 AM (8 years, 16 days ago)

What the hell is a 'pre-conditioned' belief?

Seriously, you said I need not reply, but I would like an answer as the concept makes no sense to me.


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Re: If you could change or alter a pre-conditioned belief, what would it be? [Re: RationalEgo]
    #11388639 - 11/05/09 02:39 AM (8 years, 16 days ago)

I read it as 'pre-conceived' :lol:  I guess Im not really sure what pre-conditioned means either.


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Re: If you could change or alter a pre-conditioned belief, what would it be? [Re: DieCommie]
    #11388731 - 11/05/09 03:05 AM (8 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

DieCommie said:
I read it as 'pre-conceived' :lol:  I guess Im not really sure what pre-conditioned means either.




I'm not even sure what 'pre-conceived' means either? How can any concept be held in mind before being conceived of? Makes no god damn sense!


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Re: If you could change or alter a pre-conditioned belief, what would it be? [Re: DieCommie]
    #11388765 - 11/05/09 03:18 AM (8 years, 15 days ago)

Since I am fairly certain he doesn't speak about a belief one is born with, I am going to deduce that he means the earliest and deepest imprinted beliefs from childhood (2nd/3rd circuit in Leary-terminology? - most often the beliefs of our parents I would expect). Some of these are hard to uproot and change, but I am convinced that it can be done and that the slate can be wiped clean and rebuilt from scratch with ardent work and hard druqz. :grin: Maybe this is too optimistic. There could be hidden remains resurfacing in extreme situations although my experience is that this stuff drop away more during such times.

I have worked on the first circuit on a solo trip on LSD, and to a certain extent I think that it was changed for the better. This was actually two trips where I decided to dive back in the week after the first to continue the exploration and then the culmination went to the bottom of things. I remember it as some sort of lever deep inside that I switched from resistance to embrace (suspicion to trust/avoidance to approach) and then I have gradually grown into the new pattern for the last five years. It is still a work in progress though and acid is one tool among many. I shook myself into total depersonalization which took a very long time to heal, but allowed me to rebuild myself more than I expected was possible.

This is deeper than beliefs though imo so I guess I digressed.

Not sure what beliefs I prefer altered, but I am sure there are some muddy waters down there. Need to think about this some more.

Interesting question anyway. Hopefully I did not misunderstand you.


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Re: If you could change or alter a pre-conditioned belief, what would it be? [Re: rebus_minus]
    #11388804 - 11/05/09 03:34 AM (8 years, 15 days ago)

It is as you seem to describe because your conclusion of the question seems to form an argument that is of an understanding in the concept, pre-conditioned.

I would like to hear your response.

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Re: If you could change or alter a pre-conditioned belief, what would it be? [Re: RationalEgo]
    #11388810 - 11/05/09 03:36 AM (8 years, 15 days ago)

Think habit and apply habit to thought. This is what a pre-conditioned belief means.

That might do it.


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Re: If you could change or alter a pre-conditioned belief, what would it be? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #11388816 - 11/05/09 03:37 AM (8 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

AlphaFalfa said:
Think habit and apply habit to thought. This is what a pre-conditioned belief means.

That might do it.




There is no 'pre' about it then, its just 'conditioned'.:wink:


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Re: If you could change or alter a pre-conditioned belief, what would it be? [Re: RationalEgo]
    #11388838 - 11/05/09 03:52 AM (8 years, 15 days ago)

Words are sensory impressions, so I could both agree to use that term with you or not, without loosing anything - its simple, they do not reflect reality, unless two people understand the meaning behind sensory impressions holds.

Now that you understand the goal of this thread - sharing is caring.

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Re: If you could change or alter a pre-conditioned belief, what would it be? *DELETED* [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #11388851 - 11/05/09 03:57 AM (8 years, 15 days ago)

Post deleted by rebus_minus<p>Reason for deletion: please excuse me for removing this.


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Re: If you could change or alter a pre-conditioned belief, what would it be? [Re: rebus_minus]
    #11395612 - 11/06/09 04:10 AM (8 years, 14 days ago)

Interesting life experiences. I would not delve in psychdelics to deeply, they take your mind to places that are hardly easily discernable from more applicable findings. However, I do enjoy them from time to time, to freshen up new findings and explore old beliefs...other than that, they take you too far away from where we usually are when we are sober.

BTW - the part about psychoses is interesting, because it describes a part of my life, similairly. I change my beliefs very rapidly, they are but toys of the mind, why not discard them when they are boring. I guesse its because I do not make identities anymore, I think they are useless...I like knowing my skills and enjoying life, taking changes, like medicine for my life.

So you have no real strong beliefs that you cannot undue, which you would otherwise want undone?


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Re: If you could change or alter a pre-conditioned belief, what would it be? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #11395807 - 11/06/09 06:18 AM (8 years, 14 days ago)

no.


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Re: If you could change or alter a pre-conditioned belief, what would it be? [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #11395813 - 11/06/09 06:29 AM (8 years, 14 days ago)

I'd alter my preconditioned belief of social hierarchy.

I would be able to talk to a hobo and a king and see them with the same eyes.


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Re: If you could change or alter a pre-conditioned belief, what would it be? [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #11395816 - 11/06/09 06:31 AM (8 years, 14 days ago)

why would you want to value a king as highly as a hobo? :P


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Re: If you could change or alter a pre-conditioned belief, what would it be? [Re: rebus_minus]
    #11395821 - 11/06/09 06:33 AM (8 years, 14 days ago)

Why wouldnt you?

Everyone should be equal, social hierarchy is a construct in the mind's of the people. If everyone's mind were whipped clean of it no one would be able to say "Im better than you because of...."


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Re: If you could change or alter a pre-conditioned belief, what would it be? [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #11395824 - 11/06/09 06:36 AM (8 years, 14 days ago)

youre right of course. i was just making a joke by putting your statement as i saw it upside down.


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Re: If you could change or alter a pre-conditioned belief, what would it be? [Re: rebus_minus]
    #11397125 - 11/06/09 12:53 PM (8 years, 14 days ago)

Mister muscaria - I do not think it is possible to see a kind and hobo in the same eyes, in this life. Simply put, our perception is shaped by our goals and beliefs about which goals are most viable. If you have the goal, conditioned or not, to gain resources, saftey and longevity, the king would be able to help you way better than a hobo and your perception will be different because of that. I cannot yet see why it wouldnt, care to share?


Rebus Minus - Thats disappointing. I wish I could control all my motivations, my drives towards goals. That is the ultimate outcome of not having any preconditioned beliefs, being able to control your emotional motivations towards a goal.

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