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badman


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Re: Hyphae's Pinning Strategy - bad advice (continued) [Re: george castanza]
#11393104 - 11/05/09 06:43 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I expect you gave him a warning or a friendly word via PM?
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libertaire
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Re: Hyphae's Pinning Strategy - bad advice (continued) [Re: badman]
#11393835 - 11/05/09 08:26 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hah, this thread sure got absurd while I was gone. Lame shit.
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anonjon
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Re: Hyphae's Pinning Strategy - bad advice (continued) [Re: george castanza]
#11415226 - 11/08/09 11:00 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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george castanza said: Tossing petty insults to someone who can ban you is what I would call trolling, lets just hope that he got what he was after.
True that.
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Re: Hyphae's Pinning Strategy - bad advice (continued) [Re: tall dwarf]
#11621775 - 12/10/09 06:47 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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tall dwarf said: Hi so earlier I started a thread stating that Hyphae's Pinning Strategy was full of outdated info but I didn’t give examples in the original post (which I should have). When I got home and saw that folks were a little pissed because I didn’t back myself up, I wrote a quick post saying I’ll be back in a minute to get specific, and then George ‘total joke of a TC’ Castanza shut the thread down like a dickless fascist...Just 5 minutes after I said I’d be right back to explain! But anyway I meant for the discussion to be serious and I’ll now write what I meant to before. Sorry that this wasn’t included in the first post.
And as I said in the original thread, the point is not to disrespect Hyphae or his 5 year-old pinning strategy but my issue is that noobs are constantly being directed to that old thread and many users have a link to it in their signatures. My point is that it is a bad thing to encourage beginners to read for these kinds of reasons:
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hyphae said: We will start with the use of cakes to make casings as most newbies will be starting this way.
These days casing crumbled cakes is ill-advised
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hyphae said: Lets begin with your cakes they need to be incubated at optimum temps (for best results) 82-84 degrees
Not only is this not optimal for cakes but it can be very bad for a tray or bulk tub, which will produce more heat and CO2 depending on its size. It’s now recommended to aim for mid to upper 70s F.
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hyphae said: until colonized fully this means not just the surface but throughout the cake. This will usually happen 3-4 days after the outside has been colonized.
Again we now know that’s not true. The inside is already colonized when all surfaces are visibly colonized.
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hyphae said: after the cakes have been cleaned of all pins/knots (anything that can be wiped off the surface)
Not necessary and especially harmful if fruiting as a cake. A noob could easily misinterpret this as common practice.
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hyphae said: Once the cakes have been crumbled I like to let them sit overnight to recoup so any exposed areas will be covered. I will then place them into a cleaned tray/container.
Bad practice. The mycelium should begin to re-knit itself asap in the same container it will fruit in (and cover that for a few days). Waiting overnight just disrupts the mycelium twice for no good reason.
OKAY... That's just the FIRST paragraph of Hyphae's Pinning Strategy. Let me know if I should continue, the section on overlay is a hoot.
And this strategy is being is recommended to noobs almost daily. That's the issue I was raising. The way we promote something that is outdated to say the least.
It was brought to my attention so I will address these immediate statements. First I would like to say this thread has brought much success to thousands of newbies and that's what it is all about!
Most newbies will start with cakes as this is the best way to almost guarantee success and future spores to work with. What better way to get your feet wet than to make a few extra cakes and use them for a real basic casing, makes mycosense to me.
Ok the recommendation of 82-84 is based on core temps this is how any substrate should be measured to assure optimum temps in ANY substrate. Now most everything grows faster at warmer temps now 81F has been shown to provide the best overall growth without giving contams an upperhand so this could be revised.
Cakes are not always fully colonized ESPECIALLY if you follow PFTek to the letter inoculating toward the sides of the jars.
Cleaning cakes prior to birth will give almost 100% of the time a more even pinset when they do pin which in many cases means more prolific flushes.
Letting myc recover overnight is good practice as this is an excellent way to determine if contams are present. Also it never hurts to let broken exposed grains because of shaking to be colonized to assure no contams can get a foothold.
This is one reason I haven't been around but I must say to all those who have stood up and backed this strategy thank you this may be a reason for me to come back! There are reasons for everything just because one can not see does not invalidate anything until all voices are heard. Again thank you all and much respects!!!
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Re: Hyphae's Pinning Strategy - bad advice (continued) [Re: hyphae]
#11621835 - 12/10/09 07:21 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Hyphae's Pinning Strategy - bad advice (continued) [Re: 13shrooms]
#11621942 - 12/10/09 08:00 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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13shrooms said: right but you guys are acting like jackal's, he wasnt doing wrong at first, he criticized a TCs old info. not that big of a deal. 
if you dont agree, just state that and thats it, you guys find 1 thing and jump his shit over and over like you got nothing better to do.

just hide the thread if you dont like it that much. or better yet quit posting in it your just feeding the fire by pokin at him for every lil thing. not much help at all.
i agree. i thought GC banning him was bad for everyone.
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Re: Hyphae's Pinning Strategy - bad advice (continued) [Re: stalk_of_fennel]
#11622238 - 12/10/09 09:30 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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he was only banned for a week. not a big deal.
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CH HELL
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Re: Hyphae's Pinning Strategy - bad advice (continued) [Re: prismism]
#11622307 - 12/10/09 09:50 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Good to see you Hyphae!!!
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Re: Hyphae's Pinning Strategy - bad advice (continued) [Re: CH HELL]
#11622430 - 12/10/09 10:17 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Things change rapidly in this hobby but many of the basic principles still remain as true as ever. And at the risk of sounding like a kiss ass, I have to say that the pinning strategy helped me greatly when I started this hobby. Just my .02.
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Re: Hyphae's Pinning Strategy - bad advice (continued) [Re: Epilson Lyrae]
#11622470 - 12/10/09 10:25 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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with p. cubensis i dont think you even need a pinning strategy. all i do is place my monotubs into light and they fruit when they are ready.
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Re: Hyphae's Pinning Strategy - bad advice (continued) [Re: prismism]
#11622551 - 12/10/09 10:40 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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prismism said: with p. cubensis i dont think you even need a pinning strategy. all i do is place my monotubs into light and they fruit when they are ready.
Exactly!!
I mean, I inject spores into my veins on the regs and my shit grows cubes.
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Re: Hyphae's Pinning Strategy - bad advice (continued) [Re: prismism]
#11622552 - 12/10/09 10:40 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Can I go off topic here and ask about second flush pinning after the dunk? Do you find that it takes several days to a week to see the subsequent pinning? Much like when you first introduce them to fruiting conditions initially?
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Re: Hyphae's Pinning Strategy - bad advice (continued) [Re: Epilson Lyrae]
#11622743 - 12/10/09 11:26 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I find that the cakes pin quicker after the first flush. Not too much quicker but mayb a day or two.
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Re: Hyphae's Pinning Strategy - bad advice (continued) [Re: Dbb5]
#11622779 - 12/10/09 11:32 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I apologize for not seeing this thread last month. I was working nearly around the clock on my mushroom farm and this slipped through the cracks. Hyphae's pinning strategy is sound. The basic tenets of fresh air, light, and misting daily are proved pinning triggers.
While we may have found minor things to fine-tune performance such as temperatures as we've learned more, it doesn't denigrate earlier work that we've all built on. It sounds like the original poster had an axe to grind and George was right to ban him. RR
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Re: Hyphae's Pinning Strategy - bad advice (continued) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#11623325 - 12/10/09 01:16 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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This thread was never even about the actual pinning process. He was just finding other little things to nit-pick at. Always good to see older members, especially TC's post again.
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Re: Hyphae's Pinning Strategy - bad advice (continued) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#11664100 - 12/16/09 06:25 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: While we may have found minor things to fine-tune performance such as temperatures as we've learned more, it doesn't denigrate earlier work that we've all built on. It sounds like the original poster had an axe to grind and George was right to ban him. RR
Hi guys so I just logged in for the first time in a while (the 2 week ban was actually a blessing in disguise!) but I can't read everything right now. Hyphae, I appreciate you chiming in!, I hav en't really read what you wrote yet but I will. I logged in to check some other stuff out so let me get back to all this.
but i gotta say i'm incredibly dissapointed by that RR comment that I have some sort of axe to grind with George C. Rubbish. I actually think he's hysterical. A clown, but hysterical. I thought the 2 week ban was harsh though. It shocked me actuallty. I made me think that everyone around here is so hung up on growing cubensis that no one is actually eating it!! but anyway listen, let me check some other shit out. ...i'm now actually late for some shit... ok guys but i promise to read everything!!! -J
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anonjon
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Re: Hyphae's Pinning Strategy - bad advice (continued) [Re: tall dwarf]
#11664248 - 12/16/09 06:45 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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tall dwarf said:
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RogerRabbit said: While we may have found minor things to fine-tune performance such as temperatures as we've learned more, it doesn't denigrate earlier work that we've all built on. It sounds like the original poster had an axe to grind and George was right to ban him. RR
Hi guys so I just logged in for the first time in a while (the 2 week ban was actually a blessing in disguise!) but I can't read everything right now. Hyphae, I appreciate you chiming in!, I hav en't really read what you wrote yet but I will. I logged in to check some other stuff out so let me get back to all this.
but i gotta say i'm incredibly dissapointed by that RR comment that I have some sort of axe to grind with George C. Rubbish. I actually think he's hysterical. A clown, but hysterical. I thought the 2 week ban was harsh though. It shocked me actuallty. I made me think that everyone around here is so hung up on growing cubensis that no one is actually eating it!! but anyway listen, let me check some other shit out. ...i'm now actually late for some shit... ok guys but i promise to read everything!!! -J
Let me sum it up / paraphrase for you. We think you're a turd and wish you were banned permanently.
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Re: Hyphae's Pinning Strategy - bad advice (continued) [Re: anonjon]
#11664259 - 12/16/09 06:46 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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second that
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Re: Hyphae's Pinning Strategy - bad advice (continued) [Re: feelfunny]
#11664271 - 12/16/09 06:48 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Hyphae's Pinning Strategy - bad advice (continued) [Re: cowfodder]
#11664279 - 12/16/09 06:49 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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