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jesus the healer?
    #11387173 - 11/04/09 10:03 PM (8 years, 16 days ago)

If jesus had the ability to heal others wouldn't he be able to heal himself hence the brutal "looking" punishment.


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Re: jesus the healer? [Re: giza]
    #11387196 - 11/04/09 10:05 PM (8 years, 16 days ago)

He wanted to, but his hands were tied.


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Re: jesus the healer? [Re: giza]
    #11387197 - 11/04/09 10:05 PM (8 years, 16 days ago)

they took away his shrooms.


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Re: jesus the healer? [Re: Band of Gypsys]
    #11387215 - 11/04/09 10:06 PM (8 years, 16 days ago)

As a carpenter, JC should have known better.

He who lives by the nail, dies by the nail.


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Re: jesus the healer? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11387227 - 11/04/09 10:07 PM (8 years, 16 days ago)

I think you nailed it.:tongue:


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Re: jesus the healer? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11387241 - 11/04/09 10:09 PM (8 years, 16 days ago)

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As a carpenter, JC should have known better.

He who lives by the nail, dies by the nail.






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Re: jesus the healer? [Re: Band of Gypsys]
    #11387253 - 11/04/09 10:11 PM (8 years, 16 days ago)

:cheer:


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Re: jesus the healer? [Re: giza]
    #11387650 - 11/04/09 10:59 PM (8 years, 16 days ago)

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giza said:
If jesus had the ability to heal others wouldn't he be able to heal himself hence the brutal "looking" punishment.




if some parts of the story are ridiculous, other parts can be too, without having to appeal to logic.

good point though. Jesus was apparently magical. Why cant he save himself?

He only died as a symbolic gesture, remember. It was a way to try to get people to appreciate life more.

Jesus' magic just increased after that anyway.. maybe he just got killed as an intimidation scheme so that people would part out of his way when he wanted to move around the market place


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Re: jesus the healer? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #11388099 - 11/05/09 12:22 AM (8 years, 16 days ago)

maybe it took alot to kill him IMO


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Re: jesus the healer? [Re: giza]
    #11388434 - 11/05/09 01:33 AM (8 years, 16 days ago)

he didn't want to save himself. he could have avoided it altogether if he wanted since he knew what was to come. the point was to die for us so that we could live eternally.


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Re: jesus the healer? [Re: showme]
    #11388508 - 11/05/09 01:53 AM (8 years, 16 days ago)

ok and so how the FUCK does that work anyway?


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Re: jesus the healer? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #11388724 - 11/05/09 03:03 AM (8 years, 16 days ago)

you know how it works? we can now be forgiven for our sins and allowed access to heaven to spend eternity with God?


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Re: jesus the healer? [Re: showme]
    #11388857 - 11/05/09 03:59 AM (8 years, 15 days ago)

and the all-powerful God had to do this whole play of lives because? Couldn't he just forgive us without going through that trouble? or better yet, not create beings that would need to be forgiven in the first place?

Do the Christian myths make any sense at all?

Will I ask any original questions in this thread?


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Re: jesus the healer? [Re: showme]
    #11388969 - 11/05/09 05:03 AM (8 years, 15 days ago)

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showme said:
you know how it works? we can now be forgiven for our sins and allowed access to heaven to spend eternity with God?




that doesnt explain how it works... it only says what the result was. How does jesus' death have any bearing on the rest of the world? All he would have done if he had lived longer was to preach more.. and at any rate, he came back, and knew he was going to come back.. hes god, he basically is on top of everything.

More to the point, what would have happened if jesus did not die? Would everyone be damned forever? Is that what the jews believe? That everyone is totally damned, since jesus never really did come and 'save' everyone?

there is no sense behind it at all... ive asked this question to christians my whole life, and they often give me a blank face or just repeat 'jesus died for our sins'... 'he died SO that we could be forgiven'

well why the fuck did he have to die in order to do that? He is god... he had nothing to lose.. it is not like he sacrificed life.. he lives forever.

To put this as clearly as I can:

Why does God associate the actions of Jesus, the sinless, perfect, god-man, with the actions of all the other normal mortals on earth? How does that work?

And why did he wait so long to do it?

why was it not a suitable solution for the people before the flood?


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Re: jesus the healer? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #11389022 - 11/05/09 05:37 AM (8 years, 15 days ago)

The only sensible answer to all these questions: we are God's sick little game, his experimental ape-freaks.

Or the stories are just stories...I guess that's fairly sensible.


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Re: jesus the healer? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #11389233 - 11/05/09 07:55 AM (8 years, 15 days ago)

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Noteworthy said:
Quote:

giza said:
If jesus had the ability to heal others wouldn't he be able to heal himself hence the brutal "looking" punishment.




if some parts of the story are ridiculous, other parts can be too, without having to appeal to logic.

good point though. Jesus was apparently magical. Why cant he save himself?

He only died as a symbolic gesture, remember. It was a way to try to get people to appreciate life more.

Jesus' magic just increased after that anyway.. maybe he just got killed as an intimidation scheme so that people would part out of his way when he wanted to move around the market place




Matthew 27:

41In the same way the chief priests also, along with the scribes and elders, were mocking Him and saying,

42"(AX)He saved others; He cannot save Himself (AY)He is the King of Israel; let Him now come down from the cross, and we will believe in Him.

43"(AZ)HE TRUSTS IN GOD; LET GOD RESCUE Him now, IF HE DELIGHTS IN HIM; for He said, 'I am the Son of God.'"

Jesus' could have gotten himself off the cross

He chose not to so that we could be redeemed, hence it being a sacrifice

He also could have ran away when He knew they were coming to capture and then kill Him

Luke 22:

42saying, "Father, if You are willing, remove this (AU)cup from Me; (AV)yet not My will, but Yours be done."

43Now an (AW)angel from heaven appeared to Him, strengthening Him.

44And (AX)being in agony He was praying very fervently; and His sweat became like drops of blood, falling down upon the ground.


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Re: jesus the healer? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #11389239 - 11/05/09 08:00 AM (8 years, 15 days ago)

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Oweyervishice said:
and the all-powerful God had to do this whole play of lives because? Couldn't he just forgive us without going through that trouble? or better yet, not create beings that would need to be forgiven in the first place?

Do the Christian myths make any sense at all?

Will I ask any original questions in this thread?




how can God forgive you if you don't even ask Him for forgiveness? He lived and died as a human to show us how we should live

to show us His strength and the lengths to which He is willing to go for us

Adam and Eve were told that if they ate they would die

Death is the consequence of Sin(imperfection)

we are apart of decaying system destined for complete and utter chaos

God stepped in so that he could release us from the prison we are apart of


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Re: jesus the healer? [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11389256 - 11/05/09 08:11 AM (8 years, 15 days ago)

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Life Upon Death said:
Quote:

Noteworthy said:
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giza said:
If jesus had the ability to heal others wouldn't he be able to heal himself hence the brutal "looking" punishment.




if some parts of the story are ridiculous, other parts can be too, without having to appeal to logic.

good point though. Jesus was apparently magical. Why cant he save himself?

He only died as a symbolic gesture, remember. It was a way to try to get people to appreciate life more.

Jesus' magic just increased after that anyway.. maybe he just got killed as an intimidation scheme so that people would part out of his way when he wanted to move around the market place




Matthew 27:

41In the same way the chief priests also, along with the scribes and elders, were mocking Him and saying,

42"(AX)He saved others; He cannot save Himself (AY)He is the King of Israel; let Him now come down from the cross, and we will believe in Him.

43"(AZ)HE TRUSTS IN GOD; LET GOD RESCUE Him now, IF HE DELIGHTS IN HIM; for He said, 'I am the Son of God.'"

Jesus' could have gotten himself off the cross

He chose not to so that we could be redeemed, hence it being a sacrifice

He also could have ran away when He knew they were coming to capture and then kill Him

Luke 22:

42saying, "Father, if You are willing, remove this (AU)cup from Me; (AV)yet not My will, but Yours be done."

43Now an (AW)angel from heaven appeared to Him, strengthening Him.

44And (AX)being in agony He was praying very fervently; and His sweat became like drops of blood, falling down upon the ground.



Hes JEsus could have done lots of things that he didnt do... so what?

The point is that jesus is going up to sit next to god (or next to .. himself) why the HELL would he want to stay alive?

anyway, he was only doing what he was doing so that a scripture could come true... which is what he says before rising to heaven.

Jesus did not really sacrifice anything, except the chance to keep preaching. Which is stupid considering that his ressurection would bring more weight to his words, than, say, if he just dissapeared into obscurity.

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Importantly: Is life better than heaven?


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Re: jesus the healer? [Re: Noteworthy]
    #11389445 - 11/05/09 09:36 AM (8 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

Noteworthy said:
Quote:

Life Upon Death said:
Quote:

Noteworthy said:
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giza said:
If jesus had the ability to heal others wouldn't he be able to heal himself hence the brutal "looking" punishment.




if some parts of the story are ridiculous, other parts can be too, without having to appeal to logic.

good point though. Jesus was apparently magical. Why cant he save himself?

He only died as a symbolic gesture, remember. It was a way to try to get people to appreciate life more.

Jesus' magic just increased after that anyway.. maybe he just got killed as an intimidation scheme so that people would part out of his way when he wanted to move around the market place




Matthew 27:

41In the same way the chief priests also, along with the scribes and elders, were mocking Him and saying,

42"(AX)He saved others; He cannot save Himself (AY)He is the King of Israel; let Him now come down from the cross, and we will believe in Him.

43"(AZ)HE TRUSTS IN GOD; LET GOD RESCUE Him now, IF HE DELIGHTS IN HIM; for He said, 'I am the Son of God.'"

Jesus' could have gotten himself off the cross

He chose not to so that we could be redeemed, hence it being a sacrifice

He also could have ran away when He knew they were coming to capture and then kill Him

Luke 22:

42saying, "Father, if You are willing, remove this (AU)cup from Me; (AV)yet not My will, but Yours be done."

43Now an (AW)angel from heaven appeared to Him, strengthening Him.

44And (AX)being in agony He was praying very fervently; and His sweat became like drops of blood, falling down upon the ground.



Hes JEsus could have done lots of things that he didnt do... so what?

The point is that jesus is going up to sit next to god (or next to .. himself) why the HELL would he want to stay alive?

anyway, he was only doing what he was doing so that a scripture could come true... which is what he says before rising to heaven.

Jesus did not really sacrifice anything, except the chance to keep preaching. Which is stupid considering that his ressurection would bring more weight to his words, than, say, if he just dissapeared into obscurity.

?

Importantly: Is life better than heaven?




let me ask you this:

if you were born and knew you were God and knew you had to die and yet were a human

no one ever has been expected of more then Jesus

and he did no wrong until the point of death

consider what it would take to live a completely perfect life


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Re: jesus the healer? [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11389560 - 11/05/09 10:25 AM (8 years, 15 days ago)

If he was really a human like everyone else then he would have as much trouble as everyone else. Obviously it was easier for him to avoid being ungodly, because he was, absolutely godly.

I just don't get what you're saying here, too-

If I knew I was god and yet also a human...
and I had to die..
And I had spent my whole life preaching my cause...
I think the decision to follow my own preaching 'turn the other cheek' and go along with the whole crucifixion thing knowing that it was all part of my point here on earth, would not be such a big deal. Assuming I was enlightened and not attatched to materialistic needs. I think we can make this assumption about jesus. He obviously got a kick out of being the messiah. Yes he went through pain for his cause. Many great people have, but THOSE people did not know they were so close to god. Those people did not get strength from some mystic ancient guiding.. they did it with their own balls.

So why Is god so pleased with what HE did on earth, so much so that God forgives everyone forever?

Unless it is like,
God hates humans because he cant understand why they are so misbehaving, but then
he gives a go at being human.
and finds out how hard it is to be a human and to also be godly.
And after going through the whole process, he sees that humanity is not totally doomed - it just takes a pure will. God changed his mind about humanity, because in the end, they are just slaves to their circumstance.


I have not heard this rendition of God and jesus before. Obviously, we have to do as is frequently done i nthe bible, and act as if God could ever actually attain knowledge of an event in the world. But it would be good to teach to children, methinks


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